Originally posted by mrgneissguy:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by Hollywood:
Originally posted by cNiner:
what is with the Nate Davis bashing ! 
he did in one or half a game more than Alex did in 7 years 65 bomb ! 
yes mybe he is not ready whos fault the coaches sing is the HC it's his fault. you learn on the field not in practice !
he hit every open WR , go back and see how many drops , yes he needs to know where he is on the field and where is the first down is but that comes with the more playeing time .
Not so fast. You are clearly being dazzled by Nate's arm. Don't get me wrong, the kid's got a cannon, but he can't read defenses. And it's more than just not knowing where you are on the field, which btw is not something he will develope with playing time. He should have developed that in High School. The bottom line is, Nate should have been studying his playbook and learning the offense in the off season. Instead, he figured he'd wait till training camp to start learning. This is why Sing is upset with him. The guy has talent but appears to be a little on the lazy side. Sounds alot like Jamarcus Russell. It's not Sing's fault that Nate showed up unprepared. And as far as his only mistake being the missed first down, you are dead wrong. He was playing against a vanilla defense. Yet he still had trouble reading the coverages. How many times did he immediately roll out of the pocket? Nate is no doubt more talented than our other options, but there is more to playing QB than have a great arm. He is raw. QB is played between the ears my friend. If he were our starter, he'd be chewed up and spit out by week 3. No one prep's or studies game film in the preseason. You add that to the equation, and Nate would clearly be in over his head. 1 great throw in preseason does not make this guy our savior. But it appears to have loaded up the Nate Davis should be our starter bandwagon. For the record, I am an Alex Smith hater. No one wants to see Nate Davis grow and succeed more than I do. But it's clear after last night that he is not ready to be the 2nd string. Hopefully the public calling out motivates him.
Can't read defenses? He showed just as much ability to read defenses than any other QB; if not more. CC even pointd out his fake to move the safety on one play which I have NEVER seen Alex do. What RU talking about???????
Alex faces a 3rd and 8 and will dump a pass to the back coming out of the backfield. At least Davis attempts to get the first down.
yes he can't read defensive coverages and he doesn't know how the recievers routes are going to change compared to the look they get. Every route a reciever runs is conditional to if he has individual press coverage, inside shading, safety help, cover two, cover three, man/man and so on. Till this point Davis had been playing madden football where ever route was predetirmend and not conditional on the defenese. A prime example was the errant throw to Ginn in the redzone. Ginn plays with the 1's he adjusted his route and made it a dig on the goalline where davis through it to the corner. Presuming the reviever I am assuming davis through the wrong route based ont he coverage, plus If i remember correctly the cb was playing the sideline and the saftey was coming in over the top, so I'm guessing Ginn made the correct read.
Very possible, even likely that Ginn made the correct read on that play. But you can give examples like that for any QB. Smith to VD last week, for example. Maybe he can't read defenses, but based on one half of play in the appropriate setting is hardly a sufficient data set to say that definitively. I mean, really. With the amount of reps he has gotten since getting in the NFL, he's expected to make every play his first time against higher competition?
I believe he will be a very good QB in the NFL, and I am on the Davis bandwagon, but I try to have realistic expectations for him. Even the stars of today made those same rookie mistakes. I see it as showing that he still has work to do, but I don't see it as damning evidence that he'll never amount to anything.
I'm not argueing against davis or on any wagon, but I do know the reason he has been playing 3rd teamers is because he doesn't know the play book. Not knowing the playbook isn't not knowing what a 1 or 5 route is. The 3rd stringers play straight up line up and go football, they are not making the type of adjustments that the 1st teamers get. What do you think when they say he doesn't know the play book? You think he just doesn't know what 70% of the plays are or something? Flash cards would fix taht problem in about 2 days, it's what happens when the players go to the line of scrimmage. When the reciever reads press cover 3 and decides he needs to adjust his route accordingly. This is what he doesn't know about the play book is.
He knows what double cross, garfinkle dagger is lol he just doesn't know what the flanker is doing if the defense is in cover 2. This is what they mean by knowing the playbook and it is very well documented that he barely knows the play book, this means he can't read and react he can just go play football which is great but isn't going to land you a starting job on the 9ers. He knew where to throw the football and had that been Gilrouy running that route that's where he would have gone but it was to Ginn (if i'm not mistaken) and he knew to adjust the route. I was very encouraged by what I saw of davis, I think he's the better option as #2.
Finally when they tell us he doesn't know the playbook, it doesn't mean that when he plays madden he doesn't know which plays are i formation.
What do you think it means when they say he doesn't know the playbook? What do you think it means when Alex says he was seeing the defense and the whole field? You think his helmet just wasn't covering his eye's anymore or possibly he knew what the defense was going to do before they did it and he knew where all the recievers are going to be.
[ Edited by Shorteous on Aug 23, 2010 at 11:33 AM ]
