Passing on DeSean Jackson twice is my biggest gripe against Scott McCloughan. Both times I thought we were going to draft him, and with both picks, I was disappointed. Well, I was sort of hopeful about Rachal at first. But seeing him play, I have lost the majority of my confidence in him. Hopefully he proves me wrong, if he can step it up in pass protection, he can make a major positive difference in our offense.
Overall, I'm not that mad at Scott. He drafted Willis and he is a future Hall of Famer. And when he drafted Willis, it wasn't the most popular pick. The draft is a gamble, you hit big sometimes, other times you whiff. In hindsight, it seems obvious that McCloughan wasn't the greatest evaluator of talent, but he also wasn't that bad. He definitely helped us develop a young and talented team and for that I am thankful.
As for Coffee retiring, I am guessing hearing Singletary talk about how he wanted people on the team who wanted to be here for the past year had an influence on him admitting that he didn't really have his heart in football.
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Aug 17, 2010 at 1:36 PM
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Aug 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM
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None. I stand corrected.
He got lucky here and there but overall - he did a s**tty job.
Balke's draft looks far superior.
My fear when it all went down was that it was a Singletary power grab. That's worth being concerned about but it appears those fears were not accurate.
He got lucky here and there but overall - he did a s**tty job.
Balke's draft looks far superior.
My fear when it all went down was that it was a Singletary power grab. That's worth being concerned about but it appears those fears were not accurate.
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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Originally posted by CornellU49er:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Willis and Crabtree were obvious selections at those spots IMHO.
Vernon Davis was a reach at the time and it only worked out because of Singletary.
Morgan was obviously great value but I'm not convinced he's a legit #2 just yet.
The only 2 I'll give you as being truly noteworthy GM work are moving up for Staley and drafting Goldson.
Vernon Davis was no reach. He was a no-brainer, in the same category as Willis and Crabtree.
I agree that Morgan is overrated.
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:40 PM
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Anyone on this board would have picked Davis, Willis and Crabtree in those positions.
Morgan is no god yet, and when it's a sixth round pick, that could really just be luck.
I'll give you Staley and Goldson I guess.
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM
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Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Anyone on this board would have picked Davis, Willis and Crabtree in those positions.
Morgan is no god yet, and when it's a sixth round pick, that could really just be luck.
I'll give you Staley and Goldson I guess.
Yup, and we would have Picked Rodgers over Smith too...
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM
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Originally posted by ghostrider:Originally posted by mcbaes72:Originally posted by ghostrider:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Plus Free Agents...
Justin Smith (pro bowl)
Walt Harris (pro bowl)
Nate Clements
Larry Allen (pro bowl)
Moran Norris
Weren't some of those guys drafted/signed by Nolan before McDrunk was promoted to GM? I guess McD gets some credit, too.
What do you think the Vice President of player personnel does?
Isn't it obvious? Buy the rookies and FAs a round of drinks afterwards to celebrate.
[ Edited by mcbaes72 on Aug 17, 2010 at 13:49:38 ]
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Anyone on this board would have picked Davis, Willis and Crabtree in those positions.
Morgan is no god yet, and when it's a sixth round pick, that could really just be luck.
I'll give you Staley and Goldson I guess.
Singletary has publicly admitted that he didn't want Willis with the selection, and has since been proven wrong. Many fans also didn't want Willis at the time.
Aug 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM
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Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by Shaj:
Career QB Ratings:
Alex Smith - 69.2
Tim Couch - 75.1
Aug 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM
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Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
Passing on DeSean Jackson twice is my biggest gripe against Scott McCloughan. Both times I thought we were going to draft him, and with both picks, I was disappointed. Well, I was sort of hopeful about Rachal at first. But seeing him play, I have lost the majority of my confidence in him. Hopefully he proves me wrong, if he can step it up in pass protection, he can make a major positive difference in our offense.
Overall, I'm not that mad at Scott. He drafted Willis and he is a future Hall of Famer. And when he drafted Willis, it wasn't the most popular pick. The draft is a gamble, you hit big sometimes, other times you whiff. In hindsight, it seems obvious that McCloughan wasn't the greatest evaluator of talent, but he also wasn't that bad. He definitely helped us develop a young and talented team and for that I am thankful.
As for Coffee retiring, I am guessing hearing Singletary talk about how he wanted people on the team who wanted to be here for the past year had an influence on him admitting that he didn't really have his heart in football.
Some of you guys obsession with D. Jackson is amazing.
Aug 17, 2010 at 2:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:A lot of other GMs passed on Jackson as well. Frustrating as it is now in hindsight, McCloughan was in good company on that one.
Passing on DeSean Jackson twice is my biggest gripe against Scott McCloughan. Both times I thought we were going to draft him, and with both picks, I was disappointed. Well, I was sort of hopeful about Rachal at first. But seeing him play, I have lost the majority of my confidence in him. Hopefully he proves me wrong, if he can step it up in pass protection, he can make a major positive difference in our offense.
Overall, I'm not that mad at Scott. He drafted Willis and he is a future Hall of Famer. And when he drafted Willis, it wasn't the most popular pick. The draft is a gamble, you hit big sometimes, other times you whiff. In hindsight, it seems obvious that McCloughan wasn't the greatest evaluator of talent, but he also wasn't that bad. He definitely helped us develop a young and talented team and for that I am thankful.
As for Coffee retiring, I am guessing hearing Singletary talk about how he wanted people on the team who wanted to be here for the past year had an influence on him admitting that he didn't really have his heart in football.
As to Rachal, it is normal for a young OL to take a year or two to become a quality player in the league. Last year's blocking schemes were junk. I hope they are better this year. Some consistency in scheme will help the player. Now he has a rook on one side of him and a brand new center on the other - not an easy gig.
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Willis was obvious and everyone expected it. Same with Vernon Davis. Same for Crabtree. Goldson has yet to prove much. Morgan is good for where he was drafted, but isn't as good as everyone thinks he is. Staley is good.
The only real gem he drafted was Frank Gore. Not to mention, he wasn't calling the shots when Gore, Willis, VD and Staley were drafted - Nolan had just as much to do with those players coming here as McCloughan, if not more.
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM
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Originally posted by ghostrider:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Plus Free Agents...
Justin Smith (pro bowl)
Walt Harris (pro bowl)
Nate Clements
Larry Allen (pro bowl)
Moran Norris
All while Nolan had the final say.
Aug 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM
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Originally posted by ghostrider:Originally posted by mcbaes72:Originally posted by ghostrider:Originally posted by valrod33:
Willis
Vernon Davis
Goldson
Staley
Morgan
Crabtree
Plus Free Agents...
Justin Smith (pro bowl)
Walt Harris (pro bowl)
Nate Clements
Larry Allen (pro bowl)
Moran Norris
Weren't some of those guys drafted/signed by Nolan before McDrunk was promoted to GM? I guess McD gets some credit, too.
What do you think the Vice President of player personnel does?
Under Nolan? Nothing.