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Reports of Alex looking average in practice.

Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Nothing like a bad day at practice to bring out the Alex Apologists and Alexcusionists. I love the revisionist history in the six pages of this thread.

Statements like: "Alex gets no credit when he looks good."

FACT: Alex has never looked good. Alex has never taken this team to the playoffs. Alex hasn't come close to leading this team to the playoffs. Therefore -- Alex has NEVER looked good. Alex Smith has done a great job at choking in big games (see: at Seattle last year)

Another statement: "Naysayers never give Alex any credit."

FACT: Why should we? What has Alex done? Other than fail miserably that is. Alex doesn't get any credit because he doesn't deserve it. Five losing seasons of football will do that to any fan.

Finally -- we are forced to put up with the new posters on this board -- who derisively refer to us as the "ACP." Wow. Just wow.

I can't tell you how many Alex Apologists and Alexcusionists have come and gone during the past five seasons. The ACP poster is just the latest in a long line of fairweather fans who appear to hold the Smith jockstrap -- and then vanish like a fart in the wind when things inevitably go south -- as they will.

Alex had a bad day in practice? Not news to me. Every player does.

When Alex starts putting in bad games? I would hope there would be no more excuses.

But hope springs eternal.

So Alex choked in Seattle because VD dropped a TD pass and Crab ducked one? And he still threw for over 300 yards? Or Delanie dropping the TD pass because of the uncalled PI? And Frank fumbled a ball that would've led to a field goal? And we decided to not play for overtime? Come on dude that's a bunch of BS, he was the only reason we were in that friggin game to begin with.

Not to mention we MUFFED a punt, giving Seattle GREAT field position to score... In which they did.. Billbird has no idea what he's talking about

i just re-watched that game last night we lost it for many reasons, blowing 3 time outs in 1Q, fumbling a punt return, blown PI call when leroy hill was guarding d walker in the end zone, too many 3 and out (again), gore fumbles, VD 2 dropped td passes, crabtree fearing a hit from milloy on potential td pass............sadly i could on, one of the sloppiest games we've played, and smith had his only 300 yard game of his career and didnt throw a pick, there is no way we can play worse there in week 1 than we did last season

With that one bolded statement, and all the mistakes OTHER players made, how the f**k can it be said that Alex "choked" in that game?

have no clue, it was one of his best games, he wasnt picked up by his team mates in the game

Alright. With that said,

Verdict on billbird2111: You DON'T know your facts and you DON'T know s**t. You're obviously just a typical Alex Smith hater who just trolls, talks trash, and specifically knows NOTHING as to why we lost that important game in Seattle.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
News flash: ALL QBs, regardless of how good/bad they are...will have good days, bad days, and "so so" days.

Relax.

No way. Get out of here with that .. that.. sensible talk. Here in Niner Talk, it's jumping to conclusions only.



Originally posted by billbird2111:
Nothing like a bad day at practice to bring out the Alex Apologists and Alexcusionists. I love the revisionist history in the six pages of this thread.

Statements like: "Alex gets no credit when he looks good."

FACT: Alex has never looked good. Alex has never taken this team to the playoffs. Alex hasn't come close to leading this team to the playoffs. Therefore -- Alex has NEVER looked good. Alex Smith has done a great job at choking in big games (see: at Seattle last year)

Another statement: "Naysayers never give Alex any credit."

FACT: Why should we? What has Alex done? Other than fail miserably that is. Alex doesn't get any credit because he doesn't deserve it. Five losing seasons of football will do that to any fan.

Finally -- we are forced to put up with the new posters on this board -- who derisively refer to us as the "ACP." Wow. Just wow.

I can't tell you how many Alex Apologists and Alexcusionists have come and gone during the past five seasons. The ACP poster is just the latest in a long line of fairweather fans who appear to hold the Smith jockstrap -- and then vanish like a fart in the wind when things inevitably go south -- as they will.

Alex had a bad day in practice? Not news to me. Every player does.

When Alex starts putting in bad games? I would hope there would be no more excuses.

But hope springs eternal.

look up the definition of the word fact sometime. just because you use capital letters doesn't change that your OPINION is not fact.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by susweel:
play like you practice

LOL. But I'm hoping he will practice better so he will play better.

Based on the history of the Niners, its better to suck ass in practices.... Jeff Garcia ring a bell, dude was pathetic in practice but made it to consecutive pro-bowls, and if team killer TO didn't hijack management we could of had a third consistent great QB with Maruicci along with him.

Practice is practice, learn the system and perform on gameday nuff said. There are plenty of practice squad Gods that freeze in real situations. I'd rather the opposite, and Smith has led some comebacks to give us hope. So get over practice!
It's amazing how an average talent (based on what we've seen thus far in his career) who has yet to lead this team to anything can cause a large group of people who all want the same thing to resort to name calling and cursing each other.
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?
jeeesus christ man this is the longest offseason of all time, and it is showing in niner talk more than ever
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?

Why was he without Crabtree and Davis?
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by susweel:
play like you practice

LOL. But I'm hoping he will practice better so he will play better.

Based on the history of the Niners, its better to suck ass in practices.... Jeff Garcia ring a bell, dude was pathetic in practice but made it to consecutive pro-bowls, and if team killer TO didn't hijack management we could of had a third consistent great QB with Maruicci along with him.

Practice is practice, learn the system and perform on gameday nuff said. There are plenty of practice squad Gods that freeze in real situations. I'd rather the opposite, and Smith has led some comebacks to give us hope. So get over practice!

Ya well, except Smith has never had even one season like Garcia. If Garcia would have had one like Smith he would have been cut immediately.

Yes indeed; Smith usually plays like he practices, except worse. See now this is based what he has done so far,not on imagination.

Anyway no use getting into stupid arguments about who knows what,let's just wait and see what our savior produces shall we?

"Our Savior", man, that just doesn't ring true. I will give that to our D though!
NINERS!!!

[ Edited by Bali-Niner on Aug 10, 2010 at 21:54:59 ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?

Why was he without Crabtree and Davis?

they sat today out

why is everyone tripping out so hard?
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?

Why was he without Crabtree and Davis?

I believe they took breaks, or got some rest?
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?

they were given the day off
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
keep in mind 49ers have a top 5 D and he practiced without crabtree and davis really what did u guys expect?

Why was he without Crabtree and Davis?

"veteran's courtesy". Crabtree's first day of rest in camp and Vernon's 2nd day in a row. Basically Sing is resting his best players more because we've had so many injuries and he doesn't want to tire our best players out. Smart move IMO.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TitsMcgee:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by TitsMcgee:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
News flash: ALL QBs, regardless of how good/bad they are...will have good days, bad days, and "so so" days.

Relax.

Except the ACP doesn't really comment on the good days.

When Smith has a good day in TC, the nay-sayers will just say "It's TC, who cares wait for the season."

But when he has a bad day, it's time to sh!t our pants and make a huge thread about it.

Something smells like a double standard to me.


This is the theme when it comes to the QB situation. And you're absolutely right. When Alex is doing well..its.."Well who cares dood its just shorts and shells...no big deel dood...styll the bustorz LOLZ BREEN BAK JTO."

When he does bad..."SEE I TOHLD YUUU ALECKS DIK LUVRZ..."


I like your impersonation of people that see it the way it is. As if everyone who doesn't agree with your view has to type like a 12-year-old.

Look, the offense is supposed to look good in camp. There's no reason they shouldn't. The defense can't hit them and that takes A LOT away from what they do. There's no reason a good QB should be looking bad in practice (Smith is not yet a good QB).

Of course nobody is going to jump on the bandwagon when he does well in practice. The defense can't hit him, he doesn't get sacked so the fear of fumbling is not there, he has more time to throw because when he should be sacked the play continues, the defenders don't get as physical with the receivers and definitely don't hit them to make them drop passes like they would in a game situation, a QB will always be more comfortable in practice than he will when it counts so he should be making better decisions, etc.. Knowing all that, why would anyone praise any QB for what he's done in practice? With all those advantages, he should ALWAYS look good in practice.

Lately, as we get closer to the start if the season, I've been putting on my homer glasses, as I do each year, and I've been starting to become optimistic regardless of what I've said leading up to this point. I was starting to gain hope with Alex and I was making myself believe he can be the QB we need him to be. Things like this are not a good sign, no matter how much you guys try to downplay it. QBs should never look bad in practice with all the advantages in their favor.

I do feel it's being blown a little out of proportion and Smith will get back on track, but this is not something that means nothing. This guy needs to continue to progress, not regress after 10 days of camp. And LOL @ Raye's excuse. 200 passes in a total span of 6 hours of practice (with time for rest in betwee, of course) should make a QB's arm weary? Come on.

When it comes down to it, though, I think Smith just had a bad day.

Again, Peyton Manning had a bad day in practice the other day. This is not to compare Alex to Manning, but it just goes to show that you're not always going to look good in practice. I think the notion that "Smith SHOULD look good every day in practice" is just absurd. Now if he stunk it up every practice, I'd be a little more concerned, but when it is a one time deal r this camp there is way too much stock put into that day.

I don't get too high on Smith when reports are good, and I don't get too low when he has an off day.

What I certainly take exception to are the fans that are hypocritical. If you are going to bash Smith for a bad day in practice, you sure as sh!t better praise him for a good day when he has it. Unfortunately, the ACP just focuses on the negative and doesn't acknowledge his good days.

But when he has a bad day, it's time to create a "sky is falling" thread and start sh!tting their pants.

Like I said, it's a double standard and horesh!t IMO. But hey that's just my 2 cents.

Cheers.

No one is talking about one bad day. I wouldn't even care if it. Were one practice he did bad in. Matt M. stated that he has had accuracy issues throughout camp. Why does everyone keep mentioning one bad day?

Again:
That's a bunch of bulls**t:

Quote:
Today's morning practice wasn't nearly as ragged as yesterday's, and the 49ers seemed to suffer no major injuries. But one element was off-kilter: QB Alex Smith, who has looked fairly accurate through most of camp, had perhaps his worst day of the summer.
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/08/one-step-back-for-alex-smith.html

Phil Barber twitter:

Quote:
skinny_post RT @kschefer: @Skinny_Post Reports on A. Smith seem to be getting worse... >> Don't panic, Smith has mostly looked accurate before today

The Joecool troll patrol is out in full force!

Quote:

Q: haven't heard a lot about Alex Smith lately. Is he still having a good camp? @chaotic49erfan

My response: The expectation level has risen for the 49ers' quarterback, so I'd say he is not having a good camp. He's having a so-so camp. But let's not sound the alarms, yet. We're a week into the practices. I don't think Smith's accuracy is where it needs to be on the short throws. On the other hand, his deep passes have been pretty good. Right now, I'd say he has been a lot more impressive than he's ever been from whistle to snap. That is, he's doing all the things you'd want your quarterback to do in the huddle, pre-snap, etc. But he has not been particularly sharp with the ball in his hand. But, again, it's early. I'll stand by the numerous statements I've made that I'd expect him to improve, production-wise, this season over the 10 1/2 games he played last season.

Read more: 49ers Mailbag: Smith, So Far, Has Been So-So
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story

I will take Matt M. word over Phil Barber. I don't give a crap about Smith having one bad practice. It's the fact that he's still having the same issues with the short passes that he had since his rookie year that should be concerning.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TitsMcgee:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by TitsMcgee:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
News flash: ALL QBs, regardless of how good/bad they are...will have good days, bad days, and "so so" days.

Relax.

Except the ACP doesn't really comment on the good days.

When Smith has a good day in TC, the nay-sayers will just say "It's TC, who cares wait for the season."

But when he has a bad day, it's time to sh!t our pants and make a huge thread about it.

Something smells like a double standard to me.


This is the theme when it comes to the QB situation. And you're absolutely right. When Alex is doing well..its.."Well who cares dood its just shorts and shells...no big deel dood...styll the bustorz LOLZ BREEN BAK JTO."

When he does bad..."SEE I TOHLD YUUU ALECKS DIK LUVRZ..."


I like your impersonation of people that see it the way it is. As if everyone who doesn't agree with your view has to type like a 12-year-old.

Look, the offense is supposed to look good in camp. There's no reason they shouldn't. The defense can't hit them and that takes A LOT away from what they do. There's no reason a good QB should be looking bad in practice (Smith is not yet a good QB).

Of course nobody is going to jump on the bandwagon when he does well in practice. The defense can't hit him, he doesn't get sacked so the fear of fumbling is not there, he has more time to throw because when he should be sacked the play continues, the defenders don't get as physical with the receivers and definitely don't hit them to make them drop passes like they would in a game situation, a QB will always be more comfortable in practice than he will when it counts so he should be making better decisions, etc.. Knowing all that, why would anyone praise any QB for what he's done in practice? With all those advantages, he should ALWAYS look good in practice.

Lately, as we get closer to the start if the season, I've been putting on my homer glasses, as I do each year, and I've been starting to become optimistic regardless of what I've said leading up to this point. I was starting to gain hope with Alex and I was making myself believe he can be the QB we need him to be. Things like this are not a good sign, no matter how much you guys try to downplay it. QBs should never look bad in practice with all the advantages in their favor.

I do feel it's being blown a little out of proportion and Smith will get back on track, but this is not something that means nothing. This guy needs to continue to progress, not regress after 10 days of camp. And LOL @ Raye's excuse. 200 passes in a total span of 6 hours of practice (with time for rest in betwee, of course) should make a QB's arm weary? Come on.

When it comes down to it, though, I think Smith just had a bad day.

Again, Peyton Manning had a bad day in practice the other day. This is not to compare Alex to Manning, but it just goes to show that you're not always going to look good in practice. I think the notion that "Smith SHOULD look good every day in practice" is just absurd. Now if he stunk it up every practice, I'd be a little more concerned, but when it is a one time deal r this camp there is way too much stock put into that day.

I don't get too high on Smith when reports are good, and I don't get too low when he has an off day.

What I certainly take exception to are the fans that are hypocritical. If you are going to bash Smith for a bad day in practice, you sure as sh!t better praise him for a good day when he has it. Unfortunately, the ACP just focuses on the negative and doesn't acknowledge his good days.

But when he has a bad day, it's time to create a "sky is falling" thread and start sh!tting their pants.

Like I said, it's a double standard and horesh!t IMO. But hey that's just my 2 cents.

Cheers.

No one is talking about one bad day. I wouldn't even care if it. Were one practice he did bad in. Matt M. stated that he has had accuracy issues throughout camp. Why does everyone keep mentioning one bad day?

Again:
That's a bunch of bulls**t:

Quote:
Today's morning practice wasn't nearly as ragged as yesterday's, and the 49ers seemed to suffer no major injuries. But one element was off-kilter: QB Alex Smith, who has looked fairly accurate through most of camp, had perhaps his worst day of the summer.
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/08/one-step-back-for-alex-smith.html

Phil Barber twitter:

Quote:
skinny_post RT @kschefer: @Skinny_Post Reports on A. Smith seem to be getting worse... >> Don't panic, Smith has mostly looked accurate before today

The Joecool troll patrol is out in full force!

Quote:

Q: haven't heard a lot about Alex Smith lately. Is he still having a good camp? @chaotic49erfan

My response: The expectation level has risen for the 49ers' quarterback, so I'd say he is not having a good camp. He's having a so-so camp. But let's not sound the alarms, yet. We're a week into the practices. I don't think Smith's accuracy is where it needs to be on the short throws. On the other hand, his deep passes have been pretty good. Right now, I'd say he has been a lot more impressive than he's ever been from whistle to snap. That is, he's doing all the things you'd want your quarterback to do in the huddle, pre-snap, etc. But he has not been particularly sharp with the ball in his hand. But, again, it's early. I'll stand by the numerous statements I've made that I'd expect him to improve, production-wise, this season over the 10 1/2 games he played last season.

Read more: 49ers Mailbag: Smith, So Far, Has Been So-So
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story

I will take Matt M. word over Phil Barber. I don't give a crap about Smith having one bad practice. It's the fact that he's still having the same issues with the short passes that he had since his rookie year that should be concerning.

Whatever I'm done with this s**t. MM said he had a few issues with short throws and he hasn't been perfect so he hasn't been as good as he expected, but he's still doing okay and his long throws have been really nice. MB and Barber haven't said he's had any issues with his short throws. You're holding onto one quote and making a big f'ing deal about it after you had pretty much shut up when everything looked like it was going good. This is ridiculous and it's pointless for me to even argue with you because you're just going to say what you keep saying and I'm going to wait and see until the team actually plays. So whatever this is stupid, and it's a waste of my time.