Now that we locked up Willis, whos next?

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:
VD's making $8,190,000 in 2010, so it doesn't make financial sense for him to re-sign with the 49ers before the year is over.

Fast-forward to the 2011 off-season. VD has a healthy, Pro-Bowl calibur season. Imagine what his maket value can balloon to! Remember 2007 when the 49ers signed Clements to that ridiculous contract? It was because the "shut down" corner became glamorous in the NFL and Clements was thought to be that kind of player. VD blocks with nastiness and has become a dangerous weapon in the passing game. He also wears a "C" on his chest! Every team in the NFL would improve greatly by having VD on their team. So he's not signing with us anytime soon.

Manny Lawson still has to show me more before I decide to lock him up. Maybe sign him mid-season if he performs well. He's in a contract year, so he'll be playing/auditioning for his future. The exact same can be said for Alex Smith.

So priority has to be Dashon Goldson!

He's a part of our new physical identity and he'll make $653,221 this season. Turn that into $2.5 million as part of a new long-term deal and I'm pretty sure he'll be into it.

2 or 3 solid games don't make you "part of the movement" man. He has to mantain that level throughout the whole season. Last thing we need is the same mistake we made with Tarrell Brown.

Take your hater hat off and realize that he is very much a "part of the movement". In his 3rd season (his first in a bonafide starter role) he totaled:

76 solo tackles (94 total), 2 sacks, 4 ints, 3 forced fumbles, 6 pd's

Signing him now makes sense! What happens if he improves on those totals in 2010? Exactly...he becomes more expensive!

Kinda like Parys Haralson right? yea, he's such a stud now. So is Tarrell Brown, wow such a stud, but couldn't even move past Dre Bly on the depth chart.

What do you propose? Let Goldson play out his exisiting contract and try to re-sign him next off-season? He'll be an un-restricted FA and he's going to get plenty of offers from other teams. And in 2011, he'll be just 27. You can bring up guys like Brown and Haralson, or Brandon Jones and Michael Lewis, but you're bringing up the past. McCloughan's past mis-management of money is one thing. Moving in a positive direction with home-grown talent is another matter altogether!

You're probably just not a Goldson fan, whereas I am. Fair enough.

According to Kawakami the Niiners are NOT going to resign Vernon Davis and are content with letting him hit the open market. This is Bulls**t, Vernon Davis is the future of our team and should be a priority in regards to resigning. I was one of the very few people that stuck with him during his first couple of seasons with us when he was not a Pro Bowler, but i knew he had tremendous potential and would turn into a beast.

What the f**k is up Kawakami's A$$. That guy is a dueche. It is obvious he is a prick that has no love for the Teams in the Bay Area and everytime i hear something out of his mouth it is like listening to Rush Limbaugh, he like to start $hit and bad mouth people in the Sports World, when he himself is a god damn Nobody.

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Vernon Davis-TE-49ers May. 6 - 10:28 am et

The 49ers may let Vernon Davis become a free agent after this season, according to Tim Kawakami of the Mercury News.
Kawakami cites an NFL source that says the 49ers' only planned on paying one of Patrick Willis and Davis. Willis got paid this week, so Davis could very well hit the open market in March. Playing for a new contract can only enhance Davis' fantasy value this season.
Source: Tim Kawakami on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&Show=SKILL&id=3638

Originally posted by 49er4america:
According to Kawakami the Niiners are NOT going to resign Vernon Davis and are content with letting him hit the open market. This is Bulls**t, Vernon Davis is the future of our team and should be a priority in regards to resigning. I was one of the very few people that stuck with him during his first couple of seasons with us when he was not a Pro Bowler, but i knew he had tremendous potential and would turn into a beast.

What the f**k is up Kawakami's A$$. That guy is a dueche. It is obvious he is a prick that has no love for the Teams in the Bay Area and everytime i hear something out of his mouth it is like listening to Rush Limbaugh, he like to start $hit and bad mouth people in the Sports World, when he himself is a god damn Nobody.

See link Provided.


Vernon Davis-TE-49ers May. 6 - 10:28 am et

The 49ers may let Vernon Davis become a free agent after this season, according to Tim Kawakami of the Mercury News.
Kawakami cites an NFL source that says the 49ers' only planned on paying one of Patrick Willis and Davis. Willis got paid this week, so Davis could very well hit the open market in March. Playing for a new contract can only enhance Davis' fantasy value this season.
Source: Tim Kawakami on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&Show=SKILL&id=3638

Just like we were going to draft Clausen....Tim is full of s**t.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Key Niners signed through 2010:
TE Vernon Davis
S Dashon Goldson
WR Jason Hill
LB Manny Lawson
QB Alex Smith
His can wait until the end of the year cuz it depends on how he plays

I'd like to resign all of them to extensions before the end of the season. But their contracts have to make sense. Even Vernon can walk if he's going to want too much $$$ IMO.

VD should get a top 5 TE contract, but not crazy $$$. He still dropped too many big passes last year. A couple that could have been TDs (imagine what we'd have to pay him if he caught those TD passes!)...

Goldson should get what he deserves as well. He played well for most of last season. But just like Davis it was his only season where he played at that level and like Davis there were still periods of inconsistency and missed plays.

I'm high on Lawson and would like to have him extended but for the right price. We still don't know what we have in LaBoy or Brooks and if Harlason has another season like last he's going to be due for an upgrade as well. And none of them are signed long term either.

I'm also high on Jason Hill as he has the tools and seems to make plays almost every time they give him a chance. Hopefully he stays healthy in camp and gets in the game this year and shows what he is made of. If he does lock him up, if not let him test FA and bring him back at the right price to be the 4th or 5th guy if no one gives him the $$$ he wants.

Alex Smith should have a really good season. If you can lock him up on the cheap I say do it sooner than later. If he ends up being "the guy" you've got him for a few more years at cheap $$$, if not I don't mind having him be the backup to whoever "the guy" ends up being for another couple of years. Carr is only signed through 2011 and Davis is still an enigma at this point.

I'd say in this order:

1st. Davis and Lawson

2nd. Goldson

3rd. Alex Smith - depending on how he plays this upcoming season.

we should do ASAP:
1. a.franklin
2. vernon

we should do after this season:
3. alex - no need to hurry since he's already proven he'd rather stay here. this one is just about matching pay to performance.
4. d.goldson - after 2nd year as a starter we should know what his true value is.

if we still think frank has juice in the tank after 2011 we should just franchis him for one year. i really dont think we'll offer him another contract after this one tho. it's the way the RB position is. and it's the nature of the business

Goldson and Franklyn.

There's still some question marks on Vernon and the tight end position is a fairly cheap franchise tag (5 million). If he gets to Antonio Gates then pay the man, but if he remains somewhat inconsisant then tagging him is the best way to go.

We have to get Goldson and Franklyn done that way we can remain with the upper hand on Vernon.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on May 6, 2010 at 12:08:35 ]

Originally posted by 49er4america:
According to Kawakami the Niiners are NOT going to resign Vernon Davis and are content with letting him hit the open market. This is Bulls**t, Vernon Davis is the future of our team and should be a priority in regards to resigning. I was one of the very few people that stuck with him during his first couple of seasons with us when he was not a Pro Bowler, but i knew he had tremendous potential and would turn into a beast.

What the f**k is up Kawakami's A$$. That guy is a dueche. It is obvious he is a prick that has no love for the Teams in the Bay Area and everytime i hear something out of his mouth it is like listening to Rush Limbaugh, he like to start $hit and bad mouth people in the Sports World, when he himself is a god damn Nobody.

See link Provided.


Vernon Davis-TE-49ers May. 6 - 10:28 am et

The 49ers may let Vernon Davis become a free agent after this season, according to Tim Kawakami of the Mercury News.
Kawakami cites an NFL source that says the 49ers' only planned on paying one of Patrick Willis and Davis. Willis got paid this week, so Davis could very well hit the open market in March. Playing for a new contract can only enhance Davis' fantasy value this season.
Source: Tim Kawakami on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&Show=SKILL&id=3638

i think every market has 1 blow hard reporter who says things for shock value and generally has a neg. take on the local team. i am not from the bay area, but from the little of i have heard of tim he clearly seems to fit the profile.

I think Tim Kawakami's article is pure BS. He was also the one swearing up and down we wanted Clausen, and again sighted his so-called "sources". While what he says sounds logical, I don't believe for a second the Niners have made a decision either way on Vernon. I'm guessing they would love to have him back, but again it has to be at the right price. On Maiocco's chat today, he mentioned that Vernon may be in line for something like a 5 year, 40 million deal..give or take. I would hope that the management would be willing to pay a deal to VD in that range because the scary part is that if there is no CBA next year, there is a good chance we may lose VD anyway because we don't know if there would even be plans in place to put the Franchise Tag on him. Another interesting point was that he also heard that Gholdson was looking for a deal that would pay him 7 million per year which is a huge amount to pay for someone who has great upside, but is still unproven.

we need to resign vernon daivs he's about to take off. but we should'nt pay him number 1 money we payed him enough money from his first contract we waited for him to deliver no we should pay him a decent amount not break the bank with him next is goldson pay him what he's worth let's not go overboard he has'nt even been to the pro bowl but we should lock him up for another 5yrs franklin 3yr deal i like manny lawson i know he's not the pass rusher everyone wanted but he should be paid as part time linebacker if he wants to take a reasonable amount and stay with the team fine he's good against the pass and run, but if he wants starter money let him walk next year and get a compensary pick in next years draft along with baas back up guard and center or else bye bye. jason hill sf born and raised he's playing in his back yard i like him too good hands makes first downs and td's when they throw to him

Originally posted by doc_brown_:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by doc_brown_:
VD's making $8,190,000 in 2010, so it doesn't make financial sense for him to re-sign with the 49ers before the year is over.

Fast-forward to the 2011 off-season. VD has a healthy, Pro-Bowl calibur season. Imagine what his maket value can balloon to! Remember 2007 when the 49ers signed Clements to that ridiculous contract? It was because the "shut down" corner became glamorous in the NFL and Clements was thought to be that kind of player. VD blocks with nastiness and has become a dangerous weapon in the passing game. He also wears a "C" on his chest! Every team in the NFL would improve greatly by having VD on their team. So he's not signing with us anytime soon.

Manny Lawson still has to show me more before I decide to lock him up. Maybe sign him mid-season if he performs well. He's in a contract year, so he'll be playing/auditioning for his future. The exact same can be said for Alex Smith.

So priority has to be Dashon Goldson!

He's a part of our new physical identity and he'll make $653,221 this season. Turn that into $2.5 million as part of a new long-term deal and I'm pretty sure he'll be into it.

2 or 3 solid games don't make you "part of the movement" man. He has to mantain that level throughout the whole season. Last thing we need is the same mistake we made with Tarrell Brown.

Take your hater hat off and realize that he is very much a "part of the movement". In his 3rd season (his first in a bonafide starter role) he totaled:

76 solo tackles (94 total), 2 sacks, 4 ints, 3 forced fumbles, 6 pd's

Signing him now makes sense! What happens if he improves on those totals in 2010? Exactly...he becomes more expensive!

Kinda like Parys Haralson right? yea, he's such a stud now. So is Tarrell Brown, wow such a stud, but couldn't even move past Dre Bly on the depth chart.

What do you propose? Let Goldson play out his exisiting contract and try to re-sign him next off-season? He'll be an un-restricted FA and he's going to get plenty of offers from other teams. And in 2011, he'll be just 27. You can bring up guys like Brown and Haralson, or Brandon Jones and Michael Lewis, but you're bringing up the past. McCloughan's past mis-management of money is one thing. Moving in a positive direction with home-grown talent is another matter altogether!

You're probably just not a Goldson fan, whereas I am. Fair enough.

I am a fan of this team and Taylor Mays.

i find it kind of funny that kawakami says front office had to make a choice between extending willis or davis, but maiocco reports the exact opposite, saying pretty bluntly the 49ers will not let him leave, i think we all know who to trust on this one