Sing's opinion on the QB position . . .

If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!! you're right guys, it's NOT, BUT that is really the only position that this team needs to upgrade to get us to where we want to be. This guy is entering his 6th season!! his best year was his 2nd season (which gavintech was nice enough to pint out) 16 starts 16TD's 16 INT's
that's his BEST?!?!

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by cape49er:
We're good!! usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league, i guess we're hoping he'll finally get it in YEAR 5!!!! they will win NOTHING until they improve this position.

You don't think Alex was more than "getting it" in his second year? Especially as the year went on?

I would say his play and numbers were more than admirable on a team with poor passblocking, not much for weapons/receivers (especially after Bryant disappeared), considering he was a 2nd year player.

are you kidding?? I don't want admirable, that's like saying a moral victory!! again,buying into the B.S. that this team is spewing. yes, the kid has (on occasion) shown i little something. that's not enough. we need someone to take the lead, not "hope for the best". i have never seen him look confident. he looks like the kid playing soccer looking to his Dad on the sideline like "did i do good this time daddy?" instead of taking charge and kickin' A$$

All you said was "usually quarterbacks get it in their 2nd Year in the league" and I said I thought he did.

o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!! you're right guys, it's NOT, BUT that is really the only position that this team needs to upgrade to get us to where we want to be. This guy is entering his 6th season!! his best year was his 2nd season (which gavintech was nice enough to pint out) 16 starts 16TD's 16 INT's
that's his BEST?!?!

We'll based on last years numbers (18TD's, 12INT's, 81.5 rating based on 11 games played/starting in 10), I'd say he's definitely shown improvement. The people that are down on Alex I think are vastly oversimplifying the circumstances. It's not as easy as just going out and "kicking a$$." You can't just will yourself to win playing on a terrible team.

Not to make excuses for the kid, but take a look at the facts:

-The revolving door at OC, and the changing of schemes/philosophies every year.

-The sorry crop of wide receivers.

-The incompetency along the O-Line.

-The sacks allowed, and subsequent injury.

-The being forced back into the lineup before he was ready by an idiot head coach.

There's no way you can take all that into account and reasonably expect Alex to show more than he has. Simply put, he was never put into a position to succeed. Were it as easy as most of you make it out to be every QB in the league would be throwing for 5000+ yards a year. But with that said, I'm definitely on board with the thought that this season is make or break for him. It seems that now he finally has all the necessary tools at his disposal.

If he can't showed marked improvement this year, then I agree we should look into upgrading the QB position.

[ Edited by baltien on Apr 26, 2010 at 13:39:34 ]

Originally posted by ajsjohnson:
How did this become an "OL vs. QB" competition?
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I'd like to know why this post turned in this direction also. This post is about Singletary's vision and philosophy, not about the OL and defense.We all know you have to have a good Ol and a good defense. Everybody knows that. This is about being hired as a head coach of a nfl team and saying that you believe the best chances of winning a superbowl (not just getting into the playoffs) are to try and build a dominant defense and a dominant power running game. As opposed to saying the nfl is now a passing league and the team needs a franchise QB to guide the team in that direction.
Why do you think all the talk during the draft was to get safeties that were good in pass coverage, why are pass specialists a priority (not to stop the run) and why are 19 of the last 22 superbowl qbs franchise type qbs! I just strongly disagree with Sing's vision and hope it doesn't take too long for him to change or for Jed to change him.

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

Quote:
The performance of a quarterback has to be manipulated," he once said, "To a degree, coaching can make a quarterback, and it is certainly the most important factor in his success.

-Bill Walsh

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Originally posted by gold49er2183:
I think it starts with the o-line. a good o-line can make a bad qb look great. no hate on tom brady but were would he be if he had a bad o-line his whole career

I agree....all the QB great that has been consistent, they all had an OL.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

Damn! . . . I guess I should have looked harder to find the one exception in the last 25 years !

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

that's great logic. Therefore we should be satisfied with Tim Couch like stats under the stewardship of Alex Smith. Complacent fans and team management is what is going to kill this franchise. You think Eddie D would put up with these kind of QB results? Walsh? Lombardi?

Well, truly, there are some people who are just best ignored.

Noone is going to say that a QB is going to get results all by himself, but the fact that Singletary doesn't understand that QB is the single most important position on the team is indeed troubling. As are many other aspects of his custodianship. If you had the choice of having the one best player at his position on your team, it would be the QB.

I believe that the Niners will never be a serious or consistent challenger for top honors in the NFL for so long as Singletary is the head coach. It's problematic that he is stuck on an antiquated way of thinking . . . and honestly believes that pep talk has greater value than a game plan.

The organization whiffed at the opportunity to bring in some serious credibility with either Holmgren or Shanahan, both with ties to the Niners. I would be overjoyed if they could bring in somebody with smarts, like Dungy. If he could be coaxed out of retirement to lead the front office on football matters.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
If it was all about the Quarterback in the NFL, Dan Marino would have a fistfull of rings right now.

This pretty much says it all. You guys trying to put it all on the QB just do not have a clue do you?

. This is such bad logic.

he's a coach trying to put it on his entire team all 53 guys. Don't hang on wording to much.

Originally posted by cape49er:
o.k. now i understand what you meant. these other clowns that keep saying "it's not just about the quarterback" are making me CRAZY!!

I agree with them, probably more so than they do.