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No. 22 -- San Francisco 49ers With one exception (at an individual level), the 49ers line did OK. But a combination of having to persist with Adam Snyder at right tackle and not gelling well as a group left them with big holes in their protection. They knew after 2008 Snyder was not up to the job; he gave up more total pressure than any lineman in the NFL despite playing the first seven games at left guard. So, in the offseason they planned an upgrade. Even though they knew they were taking something of a risk, they signed ex-Steelers tackle Marvel Smith, who had not finished either of the previous two seasons because of issues with his back. Unfortunately, offseason surgery didn't work as planned and his chronic back problems forced him into retirement late in the preseason. With few other options, the 49ers stuck with the devil they knew and Snyder struggled once more. So they signed Tony Pashos, who was just beginning to find his feet when he was laid low by a broken shoulder. Snyder remained, gave up 10 sacks, eight hits and 13 pressures and to the best of our knowledge still resides at the top of the 49ers' depth chart (well for now at least).
It's worth mentioning a large proportion of the 49ers' pressure was unblocked (rushers and blitzers just coming free), probably due to the constant movement on the line. Nearly 26 percent of the sacks, hits and hurries were unassigned, the largest percentage in the league.
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Apr 13, 2010 at 1:22 PM
- DesiDez
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http://www.profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=152
Apr 13, 2010 at 1:28 PM
- lamontb
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They need to take articles like this and post them in every o lineman's locker. Dam Synder is bad. and as for those unprotected blocks that's either mental or guys not knowing there assignments. Like when Mario Williams got that sack on Hill b/c Staley released him but Crabs didn't run correct route. But a lot of teams blitz both a gap's and the niners look confused on that most of the time.
Apr 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM
- excelsior
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This situation is, by itself, a sufficient condemnation of McCloughan's failures. The line, particularly the RT position, has been a major weakness for years. Clueless just never seemed to recognize this fact that everyone else seemed to see. He had to take bold, definitive steps to cure the problem, and he never did. His termination was appropriate, but was taken about two years too late. And don't point to his drafting of Crabtree as his vindication: Anyone - including you ad me - would have taken him when he fell to #10.
Apr 13, 2010 at 1:45 PM
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i just remember everyone hyping up snyder last august saying this is his year to step up, turns out it was his year to play the same way he always had
Apr 13, 2010 at 2:23 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:Quote:
It's worth mentioning a large proportion of the 49ers' pressure was unblocked (rushers and blitzers just coming free), probably due to the constant movement on the line. Nearly 26 percent of the sacks, hits and hurries were unassigned, the largest percentage in the league.
So sounds like someone was calling the wrong protections at the LOS and the scheme wasn't designed well to pick-up blitzing.
This sounds eerily familiar to something I posted at the beginning of last year:
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Finally, it's worth noting that the Baltimore Ravens changed offensive line coaches. Gone is Chris Foerster, who served as the team's offensive line coach since 2005. The Ravens line was miserable in '05, better in '06, and not very good in '07. In 2004, his last year in Miami, his line surrendered the second most sacks in the league (52) and tied for last in yards per rush (3.5). Foerster was hired by San Francisco this year, and I suppose it should surprise no one that the 49ers are 25th in rushing yards, and 3rd worst in sacks allowed (45).
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2008/12/11/689453/a-closer-look-at-the-balti
This, in my mind, is an example of an offensive scheme being very predictable and easy to adjust to from a defensive perspective. So, Frank Gore is NEVER allowed to break it outside. VD was the only home run threat. Therefore, stack the LOS with 8 to 9 men in the box and run blitz meaning at least 1 or 2 guys came scott-free while Smith was back peddling and/or scrambling for his life. Naturally, he did better when in a shot gun and had that extra second to find a receiver after surveying the field.
So philosophy - scheme - coaching - talent
Apr 13, 2010 at 2:41 PM
- chico49erfan
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RT in the 1st round, anyone?
Apr 13, 2010 at 2:45 PM
- YouGotGored
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Snyder blows!
Apr 13, 2010 at 3:21 PM
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I'm sure we would've ranked even worse than that if we didn't go into shotgun as often as we did.
You have to put a lot of it on the O line because most of your battles are one on one matchups and you either block your man or not.
The other part of it is scheme and coaching which really did nothing to help our beleaguered line at all except for the times we went into shotgun.
We were just in 3rd and long far far to many times and that's one reason we had as much pressure as we did. When you're 3rd and long and a defensive coordinator knows you have a less than stellar O line he's going to dial up heavy pressure almost every time to force your QB into making a bad throw or dumping it off short and for less than a 1st down. If your 3rd and short the defensive coordinator has to be more careful about pressure because than your QB is just going to dump it short to the RB or TE and convert an easy 1st down.
As much ado is made about Alex Smith the primary issue with this offense is being far more efficient on 1st and 2nd downs to make for 3rd and short. We have to run the ball for more yardage consistently and we just plain need to be less predictable on offense.
You have to put a lot of it on the O line because most of your battles are one on one matchups and you either block your man or not.
The other part of it is scheme and coaching which really did nothing to help our beleaguered line at all except for the times we went into shotgun.
We were just in 3rd and long far far to many times and that's one reason we had as much pressure as we did. When you're 3rd and long and a defensive coordinator knows you have a less than stellar O line he's going to dial up heavy pressure almost every time to force your QB into making a bad throw or dumping it off short and for less than a 1st down. If your 3rd and short the defensive coordinator has to be more careful about pressure because than your QB is just going to dump it short to the RB or TE and convert an easy 1st down.
As much ado is made about Alex Smith the primary issue with this offense is being far more efficient on 1st and 2nd downs to make for 3rd and short. We have to run the ball for more yardage consistently and we just plain need to be less predictable on offense.
Apr 13, 2010 at 3:22 PM
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Originally posted by DesiDez:
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No. 22It's worth mentioning a large proportion of the 49ers' pressure was unblocked (rushers and blitzers just coming free), probably due to the constant movement on the line. Nearly 26 percent of the sacks, hits and hurries were unassigned, the largest percentage in the league.[/b]
Maybe Maddog's poster buy Heitman wasn't so hot in his line calls, or maybe the Webzone's favorite make-an-excuse-for-him guy, Alex Smith, is not doing so well on his hot reads!
Apr 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM
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So why is Snyder on the team again? Oh yeah, he's versatile at giving up sacks at both the guard and tackles position....my bad...
Apr 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM
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New coaches (Solari, Brown), a high-draft pick at RT, same offense for a second year running... We should see some solid improvement. Our OL stats are going to be much more impressive at the end of this season.
Adam Snyder's a nice guy, just not a starting RT in the NFL.
Adam Snyder's a nice guy, just not a starting RT in the NFL.
Apr 13, 2010 at 4:18 PM
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
So why is Snyder on the team again? Oh yeah, he's versatile at giving up sacks at both the guard and tackles position....my bad...
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Apr 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM
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Originally posted by excelsior:
This situation is, by itself, a sufficient condemnation of McCloughan's failures. The line, particularly the RT position, has been a major weakness for years. Clueless just never seemed to recognize this fact that everyone else seemed to see. He had to take bold, definitive steps to cure the problem, and he never did. His termination was appropriate, but was taken about two years too late. And don't point to his drafting of Crabtree as his vindication: Anyone - including you ad me - would have taken him when he fell to #10.
... i disagree. with such a high percentage of the pressures coming from unaccounted, unblocked blitzers, it might be easy to say that is a result of COACHING the OL. this excerpt clearly states that the only guy who was well below average was snyder (a guy who was picked in the late 3rd round and is looked at as a career backup.) it is up to the GM to acquire talent and up to the coaching staff to make the talent perform. we had talent (as guys performed ~ok one-on-one) but they did not perform well as a group, and that is most likely because they were not properly prepared to handle what they saw on game days. that's on the OL coach.
as far as a.smith not being able to throw "hot." ...it's really not that simple. most blitz packages are also designed to roll to take away many "hot reads," so a QB still has to have some time to see what the D is doing. when a QB executes a play fake (turning his back to the D) then turns around to deliver the ball and there is a unblocked blitzer RIGHT IN HIS FACE, he doesnt have a prayer. throwing it blindly to a "hot read" is the WRONG THING to do. better to eat the ball and take a sack then to throw a pick six. dont believe me that was happening that often? then look at this breakdown of 3 games so far...
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=139967
Apr 13, 2010 at 5:23 PM
- LasVegasWally
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Excellent post! Hopefully, we get an OT and a quality Guard. I also feel the whole offense will improve not just ASmith due to keeping the same system in place for the first time in many years. Add to that the new OL coaches and we will be in the playoffs.
Apr 13, 2010 at 6:27 PM
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Some are suggesting that the problems with the OL are because of poor coaching, and others attribute it to poor, predictable play-calling. Both were factors. But no one can deny that Snyder was so slow-footed that the DE would blow by him. That is not a coaching or play-calling failure; that is a talent failure.
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