Alex Smith article on Espn

Originally posted by iLL49er:
a chance to get mcnabb is just something we shouldn't pass up if its just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. he's only 32, qbs play well into their late 30's

Do you really think the Eagles will trade their starting pro bowl QB for just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick?
Doubt it.

On the surface this is an excellent choice but if the 49ers were to get him it would not only cost them high picks and/or players plus money to sign him,they would also have to change their offense philosophy once again including building chemistry and timing with the receivers/OL.All this would hurt them now and in the future so overall it wouldn't be a good move for the team imo.

McNabb is a great QB and future HOF'er but despite being on some very good teams with excellent coaching,a SB win has proved to be elusive to him.

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
a chance to get mcnabb is just something we shouldn't pass up if its just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. he's only 32, qbs play well into their late 30's

Do you really think the Eagles will trade their starting pro bowl QB for just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick?
Doubt it.

On the surface this is an excellent choice but if the 49ers were to get him it would not only cost them high picks and/or players plus money to sign him,they would also have to change their offense philosophy once again including building chemistry and timing with the receivers/OL.All this would hurt them now and in the future so overall it wouldn't be a good move for the team imo.

McNabb is a great QB and future HOF'er but despite being on some very good teams with excellent coaching,a SB win has proved to be elusive to him.

Ok il say it 1 more time... WE cannot go after MCnabb it would be a horrible IDEA... why would we take on all the responsibility with his crappy contract and have to way overpay his ass.. we got to focus on Re-signing PATRICK WILLIS VERNON DAVIS DASHON GOLDSON... just to name afew... jesus christ you guys... not like our o line is great anyways what makes u think mcnabb could come here and take us to the superbowl.. doesnt even kno the system.. in fact hes only played in 1 system his hole careen

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

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Originally posted by 49erForLife420:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou

Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

I see what ya mean! But ya gotta look at the facts here! How many teams have ever have had 2 back to back qb of the hall of fame caliber? Then ya gotta look at the facts it was pure luck the tampa bay bucs and 49ers even had the pleasure to be in the pressence of steve young! Steve young once the 9th string qb at byu! Not favored due to the relation of the founder of the college he attended! Worked his way up to #1 qb, then to push his way to top flight qb in college ball! Then to get signed in a prominently new football league! The league flopped! Big time! To the extent I'm almost positive young is still gettin a mil a year from that scrapped teams owner? Some one please correct me if I'm wrong!

Then to get picked up by the worst team in the league, now could be argued with the lions as worst team of all time! Young had no weapons and lasted 2 seasons! The legendary bill walsh saw mad potential in young so after the 2 yrs wit tampa he became a bench warmer on the niners behing the great joe montana! Imo it took some luck to get steve young people don't just let great #bs go! Tampa had absolutely no one to help young! Ring a bell same as when alex came to the niners. Now I'm not saying alex is the greatest qb ever! But he will turn some heads this year! And can anyone name 1 team with a better #2 qb on their roster then their number 1? Last I seen that was the giants with warner warming the bench! And for a minute with the cards with warner! That great number 2 qb is very rare! So rare free agency was put in place to keep such occurances from happening!

Didn't ya see we have david carr now?


2 great qbs are a rarity! On 1 team in the nfl these days, hell it was a rarity before free agency. The packers planned way ahead before favre started on with his drama train! Rodgers is good, hall of fame I dunno yet. it is too early to be seen! Who took over for marino? Who took over for elway? How bout phill sims?
Joe and steve, bledsoe and tom brady are a very very rare exception! I don't know take it for what its worth!

great post

Thanks man! Same to you with the one above! Ya brought up some major truth bro!

Can't argue with that. Only Steve is not getting anything from that owner. I believe that he filed bankruptcy. Good luck getting retribution for that.

Oh and there is NO cap right now. And may NOT be a season of Football if there is a lockout. So in effect people want the Yorks to make the move to trade for a guy who would only play for ONE year and who if things go completely FUBAR may not even play a single down of Football for whatever team that trades for him.

Seems to me that "cheap" is the way to go in this instance. And should there be a Cap? We have a NUMBER of players that are coming up for extensions. Willis is just one name. Imagine a big lucrative contract to keep "McNabb"(or any other big name FA) happy. BAM! Cap gets re-installed and the team that paid big $$ now has to part with either that player or cannot re-sign another player that they otherwise would have been able to sign.

But yup, it's all the owners fault too. It's his fault since he didn't push for bigger payouts for FA players prior to this coming season.

~Ceadder

Ceaderman your exactly rite man, I'd rather have alex anyways! There have been many seasons where mcnabb has been hurt! Sure alex has as well! But at this stage of the game for both their careers I'd keep alex! Sign willis, goldson, and davis for sure! Not counting some of the other players I feel should be on the team! Like lawson he is coming up as well soon enough! Man if there is a lockout that's gonna blow! What would the webzone do, the earth go off balanced lol!
Thanks for the correction on that bankrupcy thing! I remember hearing yrs ago he ws still gettin paid some cash! If I remember rite madden brought it up during a game. He said young would be being paid forever ha ha. I hope they work out some kinda deal in the land of football my friend! Don't want our team to lose their edge they starting to develope imo

Originally posted by 49erForLife420:

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
a chance to get mcnabb is just something we shouldn't pass up if its just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. he's only 32, qbs play well into their late 30's

Do you really think the Eagles will trade their starting pro bowl QB for just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick?
Doubt it.

On the surface this is an excellent choice but if the 49ers were to get him it would not only cost them high picks and/or players plus money to sign him,they would also have to change their offense philosophy once again including building chemistry and timing with the receivers/OL.All this would hurt them now and in the future so overall it wouldn't be a good move for the team imo.

McNabb is a great QB and future HOF'er but despite being on some very good teams with excellent coaching,a SB win has proved to be elusive to him.

Ok il say it 1 more time... WE cannot go after MCnabb it would be a horrible IDEA... why would we take on all the responsibility with his crappy contract and have to way overpay his ass.. we got to focus on Re-signing PATRICK WILLIS VERNON DAVIS DASHON GOLDSON... just to name afew... jesus christ you guys... not like our o line is great anyways what makes u think mcnabb could come here and take us to the superbowl.. doesnt even kno the system.. in fact hes only played in 1 system his hole careen

It's a done deal now but I never said in my post I wanted McNabb

So "jesus christ you guys" does not include me

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by iLL49er:
a chance to get mcnabb is just something we shouldn't pass up if its just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. he's only 32, qbs play well into their late 30's

Do you really think the Eagles will trade their starting pro bowl QB for just a 2nd or 3rd rd pick?
Doubt it.

On the surface this is an excellent choice but if the 49ers were to get him it would not only cost them high picks and/or players plus money to sign him,they would also have to change their offense philosophy once again including building chemistry and timing with the receivers/OL.All this would hurt them now and in the future so overall it wouldn't be a good move for the team imo.

McNabb is a great QB and future HOF'er but despite being on some very good teams with excellent coaching,a SB win has proved to be elusive to him.

I stand corrected

they got a 4th possibly 3rd as well.

Originally posted by BayBombers:
Not sure if this is posted here yet. But heres something for all you Alex Smith lovers or haters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5041133

for some reason i don't like how the article is written.

Originally posted by northstar:
they got a 4th possibly 3rd as well.

Considering his age i think they Eagles did pretty well in terms of what they got. But they should have traded outside the division

How does a thread about a Alex Smith article turn into a McDumb thread

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does a thread about a Alex Smith article turn into a McDumb thread

im calling it now, anytime Alex throws an incomplete pass this year, A thread will be started about how we should have traded for Mcnabb

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
How does a thread about a Alex Smith article turn into a McDumb thread

im calling it now, anytime Alex throws an incomplete pass this year, A thread will be started about how we should have traded for Mcnabb

even if Smith goes to the pro bowl people will b***h about how McNabb puked on himself more that Smith

Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Its never been his arm strength. His footwork sucks azz and his instincts for the position stink. Maybe after his 10th year he'll get that plant and throw motion thing together which also kills his accuracy problem. Go get em Alex. We're fvcked.

I agree

Originally posted by northstar:
they got a 4th possibly 3rd as well.

Ummmm the Iggles got a 2nd AND a 3rd for McNabb.

Washington had the higher 2nd than we did.

Yay...waitaminnit, now it will be another notch on the anti-ownersing anthem. "the owners suck cause they didn't go after McNabb" and "the owners showed us that they don't care about anything but the almighty $"

One thing guys, didn't the Iggles trade us someone this past decade? Remember? For T.O.? Man that was a HELL of a deal for us right?

If the Iggles thought that McNabb had much left in the tank, do you HONESTLY think they would have traded him to the Skins??? Even for a 2nd and a 3rd?

My line of thinking is if I'm the guy holding McNabb's contract and you're in my division you're paying more than my initial price.

Well I'm glad it's over but...

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by northstar:
they got a 4th possibly 3rd as well.

Ummmm the Iggles got a 2nd AND a 3rd for McNabb.

Washington had the higher 2nd than we did.

Yay...waitaminnit, now it will be another notch on the anti-ownersing anthem. "the owners suck cause they didn't go after McNabb" and "the owners showed us that they don't care about anything but the almighty $"

One thing guys, didn't the Iggles trade us someone this past decade? Remember? For T.O.? Man that was a HELL of a deal for us right?

If the Iggles thought that McNabb had much left in the tank, do you HONESTLY think they would have traded him to the Skins??? Even for a 2nd and a 3rd?

My line of thinking is if I'm the guy holding McNabb's contract and you're in my division you're paying more than my initial price.

Well I'm glad it's over but...

~Ceadder

I gotta feel bad for Jason Campbell, he gonna get pushed bad. Plus the Skins gave up alot for McNabb. However we would given up mush more.

Im glad that any success we we achieve this year doesnt have to have the asterisk next to it stating that we did it becuase we had Mcnab and wouldnt have been possible had we not picked him up.
Go back to when we picked up Sanders and won that super bowl...I hated having to argue with those who kept saying we wouldnt have come close without him.
I'll be much happier to watch OUR team grow and succeed and prove 'em all wrong than I would to plug in a player or two in which we become the favorites and anything less than the SB is dissapointing (see 2009 Vikings/Favre).