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Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

Just to play Devil's advocate here.

"Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

Steelers went from 1980 to 2006 without winning a title = 26 years.

Cowboys went from 1978 - 1993 without winning a title = 15 years.
&
From 1996 to .........................................................? = 14 years and counting

Niners have waited since 1995 to ...........................? 15 years and counting.

Point being, .......... "Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

-They have .......... Not saying sit down and take it, but, be real ..........
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by frankie:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

I see what ya mean! But ya gotta look at the facts here! How many teams have ever have had 2 back to back qb of the hall of fame caliber? Then ya gotta look at the facts it was pure luck the tampa bay bucs and 49ers even had the pleasure to be in the pressence of steve young! Steve young once the 9th string qb at byu! Not favored due to the relation of the founder of the college he attended! Worked his way up to #1 qb, then to push his way to top flight qb in college ball! Then to get signed in a prominently new football league! The league flopped! Big time! To the extent I'm almost positive young is still gettin a mil a year from that scrapped teams owner? Some one please correct me if I'm wrong!

Then to get picked up by the worst team in the league, now could be argued with the lions as worst team of all time! Young had no weapons and lasted 2 seasons! The legendary bill walsh saw mad potential in young so after the 2 yrs wit tampa he became a bench warmer on the niners behing the great joe montana! Imo it took some luck to get steve young people don't just let great #bs go! Tampa had absolutely no one to help young! Ring a bell same as when alex came to the niners. Now I'm not saying alex is the greatest qb ever! But he will turn some heads this year! And can anyone name 1 team with a better #2 qb on their roster then their number 1? Last I seen that was the giants with warner warming the bench! And for a minute with the cards with warner! That great number 2 qb is very rare! So rare free agency was put in place to keep such occurances from happening!

Didn't ya see we have david carr now?


2 great qbs are a rarity! On 1 team in the nfl these days, hell it was a rarity before free agency. The packers planned way ahead before favre started on with his drama train! Rodgers is good, hall of fame I dunno yet. it is too early to be seen! Who took over for marino? Who took over for elway? How bout phill sims?
Joe and steve, bledsoe and tom brady are a very very rare exception! I don't know take it for what its worth!

great post

Thanks man! Same to you with the one above! Ya brought up some major truth bro!
maybe after his shoulder injury but it has been strong for sure....firing those lasers...>FIRE THE LASER
Originally posted by erndoogie46:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

Just to play Devil's advocate here.

"Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

Steelers went from 1980 to 2006 without winning a title = 26 years.

Cowboys went from 1978 - 1993 without winning a title = 15 years.
&
From 1996 to .........................................................? = 14 years and counting

Niners have waited since 1995 to ...........................? 15 years and counting.

Point being, .......... "Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

-They have .......... Not saying sit down and take it, but, be real ..........

Nice. And a very good point.

And it is depressing to see that old baloney about John York being the problem. This one has rattled around 49er websites for so long I can't even be bothered to rebutt it.
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Its never been his arm strength. His footwork sucks azz and his instincts for the position stink. Maybe after his 10th year he'll get that plant and throw thing together. Go get em Alex.

i assume u didnt watch alex play last year?

Watched every game and seen the same accuracy issues that are linked to bad footwork and bad plant and throw mechanics. Or was there more mistakes that I missed?


We all have our faults. Alex needs to work on his footwork. You need to work on verb agreement.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Its never been his arm strength. His footwork sucks azz and his instincts for the position stink. Maybe after his 10th year he'll get that plant and throw thing together. Go get em Alex.

i assume u didnt watch alex play last year?

Watched every game and seen the same accuracy issues that are linked to bad footwork and bad plant and throw mechanics. Or was there more mistakes that I missed?


We all have our faults. Alex needs to work on his footwork. You need to work on verb agreement.

haha i typed that on my phone thats what i was trying to say lol
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

Salary cap. Plus, when Steve Young was brought in, he was a huge gamble. One that many 49er fans thought was a failure till he finally won a Superbowl. "Deer caught in the headlights" was a frequent description.

But we could not do it again, now. We couldn't pick up an expensive player and have him bench warm for years. Don't blame the team or the Yorks. Put the blame where it belongs. The NFL makes the rules.

Thank You, we are the reason why there is a salary cap now...because for the simple reason we had Steve Young sitting behind Montana for a few years. For the simple fact that, all the priemiere players wanted to come to SF to win a ring. All the years of stockpiling talent caught up with us. And when York took over we had soooo much dead money to pay out to players who werent even on the team. We had to start over from scratch....

It sucks because we could have gotten so much more for TO. And to make matters worse, the only 2 picks that Donahue hit on in his 3 years of drafting for us were Heitman and Soapoaga. A franchise cannot improve if you have terrible drafts. And I will give Nolan credit, when he was running things here...he has brought in talent. And even signed top FA's.

Now is the time to sign our own top talent, and keep them here, not foolishly throw money out to top FA's, we have far to much talent on this team to not let them get away, because of foolishly wasting it on FA's...

This is just my take....oh, and go ALEX!
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

Salary cap. Plus, when Steve Young was brought in, he was a huge gamble. One that many 49er fans thought was a failure till he finally won a Superbowl. "Deer caught in the headlights" was a frequent description.

But we could not do it again, now. We couldn't pick up an expensive player and have him bench warm for years. Don't blame the team or the Yorks. Put the blame where it belongs. The NFL makes the rules.

Thank You, we are the reason why there is a salary cap now...because for the simple reason we had Steve Young sitting behind Montana for a few years. For the simple fact that, all the priemiere players wanted to come to SF to win a ring. All the years of stockpiling talent caught up with us. And when York took over we had soooo much dead money to pay out to players who werent even on the team. We had to start over from scratch....

It sucks because we could have gotten so much more for TO. And to make matters worse, the only 2 picks that Donahue hit on in his 3 years of drafting for us were Heitman and Soapoaga. A franchise cannot improve if you have terrible drafts. And I will give Nolan credit, when he was running things here...he has brought in talent. And even signed top FA's.

Now is the time to sign our own top talent, and keep them here, not foolishly throw money out to top FA's, we have far to much talent on this team to not let them get away, because of foolishly wasting it on FA's...

This is just my take....oh, and go ALEX!

Here are the most recent salary cap figures available (in millions - 3/14/10 : Mike Florio)
Kansas City 79
Tampa Bay 79
Jacksonville 81
Cincinnati 85
Arizona 91
St. Louis 92
Buffalo 98
Cleveland 101
San Diego 104
Carolina 104
Denver 105
Detroit 106
San Francisco 109
Miami 112
New England 112
Houston 114
Tennessee 115
Pittsburgh 116
Baltimore 117
Atlanta 117
New York Giants 118
New York Jets 120
Seattle 122
Indianapolis 124
Philadelphia 124
Green Bay 126
Oakland 132
Chicago 132
Washington 134
Minnesota 134
New Orleans 135
Dallas 153


Playoff teams are in bold. We are right where we are supposed to be to expect another 8-8 season and probably miss the playoffs.

I understand the salary cap issue. That's why York got a pass for the last 9 years. Without an investment in the front office and a determination to spend more against the cap now, I can understand fans getting excited about the playoffs, but please, let's have no more talk of a 6th ring.
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

Salary cap. Plus, when Steve Young was brought in, he was a huge gamble. One that many 49er fans thought was a failure till he finally won a Superbowl. "Deer caught in the headlights" was a frequent description.

But we could not do it again, now. We couldn't pick up an expensive player and have him bench warm for years. Don't blame the team or the Yorks. Put the blame where it belongs. The NFL makes the rules.

Thank You, we are the reason why there is a salary cap now...because for the simple reason we had Steve Young sitting behind Montana for a few years. For the simple fact that, all the priemiere players wanted to come to SF to win a ring. All the years of stockpiling talent caught up with us. And when York took over we had soooo much dead money to pay out to players who werent even on the team. We had to start over from scratch....

It sucks because we could have gotten so much more for TO. And to make matters worse, the only 2 picks that Donahue hit on in his 3 years of drafting for us were Heitman and Soapoaga. A franchise cannot improve if you have terrible drafts. And I will give Nolan credit, when he was running things here...he has brought in talent. And even signed top FA's.

Now is the time to sign our own top talent, and keep them here, not foolishly throw money out to top FA's, we have far to much talent on this team to not let them get away, because of foolishly wasting it on FA's...

This is just my take....oh, and go ALEX!

Here are the most recent salary cap figures available (in millions - 3/14/10 : Mike Florio)
Kansas City 79
Tampa Bay 79
Jacksonville 81
Cincinnati 85
Arizona 91
St. Louis 92
Buffalo 98
Cleveland 101
San Diego 104
Carolina 104
Denver 105
Detroit 106
San Francisco 109
Miami 112
New England 112
Houston 114
Tennessee 115
Pittsburgh 116
Baltimore 117
Atlanta 117
New York Giants 118
New York Jets 120
Seattle 122
Indianapolis 124
Philadelphia 124
Green Bay 126
Oakland 132
Chicago 132
Washington 134
Minnesota 134
New Orleans 135
Dallas 153


Playoff teams are in bold. We are right where we are supposed to be to expect another 8-8 season and probably miss the playoffs.

I understand the salary cap issue. That's why York got a pass for the last 9 years. Without an investment in the front office and a determination to spend more against the cap now, I can understand fans getting excited about the playoffs, but please, let's have no more talk of a 6th ring.

Once we re-up VD, Willis, Goldson, Staley, Lawson, and now Smith in his last year...our SalaryCap is gonna sky-rocket..and dont be so pesimistic, we have the tools right now to compete...We should win the division and get a home field playoff game this year at the least. We do have reason to talk of a 6th...we have all the tools, now we need to gell.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

That's why I'm pissed!!!

Then take your anger out on York himself for not spending as much as those other teams rather than on our QB who isn't a world beater yet but is improving. It's not Smith's fault we didn't make a big splash this offseason. I mean you're saying you're pissed at our owner but all you do is rip the QB. But it's not like we're not getting better. We have 2 first round picks in a loaded draft, we've got guys like VD, Willis, Goldson extensions coming up. We're trying to build something that actually looks like it might be a promising group of players to build around, and we're not at a super bowl level yet so all you're doing is complaining about mediocrity. The year before the Steelers won the title they weren't that great, bounced in the first, and the year after(both of their last 2 titles btw) they got their ass kicked and didn't make the playoffs.

I'm not saying we have the group that they do, because we don't or atleast not yet. But there is something here, with an OC who might not be great but we can actually keep him around and he's better for the team than the last 2 assclowns we had. We have a really good Defensive Coordinator. We had like 4 or 5 pro bowlers, which is a lot. We have a QB who is getting better, even if you don't think he's the guy 18 TDs in 10 games is pretty good and threw 60.5% completions, that's better than a guy like McNabb(no I'm not saying Smith is a better player, but all people ever do is rip Smith on accuracy but then they want a guy who is less accurate last season and older than him?) but he gets no credit for that, and this is the first time he's really going to be sure about the offense and different stuff he can do in it in his career. Then you got guys like VD who are getting utilized better, and Crabtree getting better building a good rapport with his QB. Really offensively our main need is RT and LG, and at LG we may just improve because we improved our OLine coach.

When you're building something good than you got to give it some time, and this specific group has only had 1.5 years together. The smart thing to do is not blow anything up or make any dramatic changes until you know how far these guys can go with experience and chemistry under their belts, and then after that you make changes to see what you need to improve on unless it's a glaring weakness(like RT). I don't think the problem is we're settling for mediocrity, I think the problem is it takes time for guys to chemistry when you're changing everything every year and we just need to let this group get better.

You're right! My issue is with York, not Alex.

Here's the example. When the Niners were world class and our #1 QB started to get some injuries, what did we do? Did we bring somebody like JT O'Sullivan or Dorsey or Hill? No, we brought in Steve Young.

When Alex got injured, we should have brought in equal or greater talent, not a stopgap measure.

The problem we have is that studs like Willis and VD and Justin and Goldson who are ready to win now, but they have to wait and hope for a QB to develop.

That's not the way winning franchises operate.

Salary cap. Plus, when Steve Young was brought in, he was a huge gamble. One that many 49er fans thought was a failure till he finally won a Superbowl. "Deer caught in the headlights" was a frequent description.

But we could not do it again, now. We couldn't pick up an expensive player and have him bench warm for years. Don't blame the team or the Yorks. Put the blame where it belongs. The NFL makes the rules.

Thank You, we are the reason why there is a salary cap now...because for the simple reason we had Steve Young sitting behind Montana for a few years. For the simple fact that, all the priemiere players wanted to come to SF to win a ring. All the years of stockpiling talent caught up with us. And when York took over we had soooo much dead money to pay out to players who werent even on the team. We had to start over from scratch....

It sucks because we could have gotten so much more for TO. And to make matters worse, the only 2 picks that Donahue hit on in his 3 years of drafting for us were Heitman and Soapoaga. A franchise cannot improve if you have terrible drafts. And I will give Nolan credit, when he was running things here...he has brought in talent. And even signed top FA's.

Now is the time to sign our own top talent, and keep them here, not foolishly throw money out to top FA's, we have far to much talent on this team to not let them get away, because of foolishly wasting it on FA's...

This is just my take....oh, and go ALEX!

Here are the most recent salary cap figures available (in millions - 3/14/10 : Mike Florio)
Kansas City 79
Tampa Bay 79
Jacksonville 81
Cincinnati 85
Arizona 91
St. Louis 92
Buffalo 98
Cleveland 101
San Diego 104
Carolina 104
Denver 105
Detroit 106
San Francisco 109
Miami 112
New England 112
Houston 114
Tennessee 115
Pittsburgh 116
Baltimore 117
Atlanta 117
New York Giants 118
New York Jets 120
Seattle 122
Indianapolis 124
Philadelphia 124
Green Bay 126
Oakland 132
Chicago 132
Washington 134
Minnesota 134
New Orleans 135
Dallas 153


Playoff teams are in bold. We are right where we are supposed to be to expect another 8-8 season and probably miss the playoffs.

I understand the salary cap issue. That's why York got a pass for the last 9 years. Without an investment in the front office and a determination to spend more against the cap now, I can understand fans getting excited about the playoffs, but please, let's have no more talk of a 6th ring.

Once we re-up VD, Willis, Goldson, Staley, Lawson, and now Smith in his last year...our SalaryCap is gonna sky-rocket..and dont be so pesimistic, we have the tools right now to compete...We should win the division and get a home field playoff game this year at the least. We do have reason to talk of a 6th...we have all the tools, now we need to gell.

agreed

i think if we fix our OL and get a little more speed in the S position i seriously think we can make a run at the superbowl

Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

Before this season the Cowboys hadn't won a playoff game since 1996.
Originally posted by erndoogie46:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

Just to play Devil's advocate here.

"Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

Steelers went from 1980 to 2006 without winning a title = 26 years.

Cowboys went from 1978 - 1993 without winning a title = 15 years.
&
From 1996 to .........................................................? = 14 years and counting

Niners have waited since 1995 to ...........................? 15 years and counting.

Point being, .......... "Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

-They have .......... Not saying sit down and take it, but, be real ..........

Good point. What about Lion fans?
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by susweel:
Never knew his arm strength was a problem.

its not......

he cant really throw a good deep ball, but he has a cannon for short throws, he can fit throws into tight places
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by erndoogie46:
Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Originally posted by 49erForLife420:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

You speak the truth, thankyou


Here's what I think is the truth. Alex is not necessarily the problem, but is symptomatic of a disease within this organization.

Obviously, that disease starts with ownership - John York.

He has reduced this franchise to mediocrity and as long as you go along without questioning decisions that are being made, you are enabling him.

We had a once-mighty franchise that now is trying to convince its fanbase that it should settle for making the playoffs some day and be happy with that lofty goal.

Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that.

Just to play Devil's advocate here.

"Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

Steelers went from 1980 to 2006 without winning a title = 26 years.

Cowboys went from 1978 - 1993 without winning a title = 15 years.
&
From 1996 to .........................................................? = 14 years and counting

Niners have waited since 1995 to ...........................? 15 years and counting.

Point being, .......... "Imagine Steeler fans or Cowboy fans accepting that"

-They have .......... Not saying sit down and take it, but, be real ..........

Good point. What about Lion fans?

They lost barry sanders, and settled for millen for 8 yrs! They are pissed!!!!!!!!! And now hoping for something good.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
The haters will ALWAYS hate on Smith.

If we go 9-7 or better they'll say the same stupid things about how he didn't do this and didn't do that and his footwork sucks(throw your F'n hat in the ring then) and he can't read defenses... ...and if he takes us to the playoff then it's all about he SHOULD be taking us there every year and... ...if he takes us to the Super Bowl then its the same... ...if he WON a Super Bowl they would STILL hate on him talkin all their

But I never ONCE hear about how our Line doesn't come through for him or any of our QBs'. I don't EVER hear about how our team never keeps continuity or how the Receivers drop the ball or

You Alex haters just STFU about the man. I swear if you an me were in the same room watching a game someone would be getting their ass kicked. Cause I truly cannot stand loud mouth jerks interrupting my games. And that is how you come across to me. You come off like you think your crap don't stink and you could do no wrong.

How bout we just agree to let it go one way or the other? Let's see what he has by the end of the season. If he fails we're DEFINITELY moving on. If he succeeds he'll be here for a few more years and you haters can reload and try again.

In any case this is the lamest 9er related argument given all the damn issues that this team has.

Sorry bout the rant guys, I'm just fed up with the infighting.

~Ceadder

lmao. awesome post. thanks that made my day

honestly, there is no cure for people drinking the Alex Smith haterade.
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