Goldson and Reggie Smith were horrible today
and Goldson has been bad all season
No way the Niners resign him, and I doubt he gets a big contract from any other team
They should just bench Goldson and Smith, and let Mays and Maragos get some reps
I didnt think we'd miss M.Lewis, I was wrong
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Dec 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM
- cools
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Dec 5, 2010 at 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:YEAH,Originally posted by TonyStarks:Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Watch Goldson here. I've never seen so many bad plays on ONE offensive play by one defensive player, I don't think ever. It is hideous.
Be fair now Goldson was playing his assignment. Too bad Manusky is too stupid to call a time out there once Bam Bam and TKO gave up their intent. Goldson was looking for something underneath. Unfortunately Rodgers has the go ahead to audible and he made the most of it.
Our DBs' suck at having to chase and tackle a Receiver though. The whole unit looked like a bunch Preschoolers trying to gang tackle the snack lady.
~Ceadder
9 times out of ten, they do the ''magic'' look by showing blitz ,then dropping back.
Against the friggin packers, they decide not to.
Dec 5, 2010 at 11:40 PM
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The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Dec 5, 2010 at 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:Originally posted by TonyStarks:Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Watch Goldson here. I've never seen so many bad plays on ONE offensive play by one defensive player, I don't think ever. It is hideous.
Be fair now Goldson was playing his assignment. Too bad Manusky is too stupid to call a time out there once Bam Bam and TKO gave up their intent. Goldson was looking for something underneath. Unfortunately Rodgers has the go ahead to audible and he made the most of it.
Our DBs' suck at having to chase and tackle a Receiver though. The whole unit looked like a bunch Preschoolers trying to gang tackle the snack lady.
~Ceadder
If you watched the Stealer/Raven game tonight you would know that a good safety can not only cover their assignment, but also stop the run/screen, and not miss tackle after tackle.
Goldson is playing like Sh!t this year.
Dec 5, 2010 at 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Lawson is not by any means overrated. He might not meet your expectations as a "sack master" but he never really was a "sack master" in college either. He was always the guy that got pressure but couldn't get to the QB fast enough (Mario Williams usually got the sack as Lawson pushed him toward him)
Dec 5, 2010 at 11:51 PM
- ttime1
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Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Goldson is no where close to Lawson. Goldson does not make any plays excpet for the opposite team. Lawson make more plays than we see as he is rarely beat and out of position.
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:05 AM
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the only extension I would give him would be to extend the bench under his ass because he sucks!
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Goldson is no where close to Lawson. Goldson does not make any plays excpet for the opposite team. Lawson make more plays than we see as he is rarely beat and out of position.
Lawsons probably gives up twice as many big plays as he makes...and his coverage ability is seriously overrated.
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:10 AM
- fanmusclecars
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Front office needs to resign this guy for cheap. Paragge should offer Goldson an incentive laced contract with no real guaranteed money.
Doubt any team would heavily pursue this guy when free agency begins. Its not like 49ers have to throw big money at him.
Either way the 49ers still need to draft at least a couple DB's.
Doubt any team would heavily pursue this guy when free agency begins. Its not like 49ers have to throw big money at him.
Either way the 49ers still need to draft at least a couple DB's.
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by jcs:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Goldson is no where close to Lawson. Goldson does not make any plays excpet for the opposite team. Lawson make more plays than we see as he is rarely beat and out of position.
Lawsons probably gives up twice as many big plays as he makes...and his coverage ability is seriously overrated.
Oh yea? Name them.
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by jcs:Originally posted by ttime1:Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
The fact of the matter is Goldson is similar to Lawson and a few other players. Overrated in the zone. There not great players ...just average. Upgrades are needed at a lot of positions. More than we want to admit.
Goldson is no where close to Lawson. Goldson does not make any plays excpet for the opposite team. Lawson make more plays than we see as he is rarely beat and out of position.
Lawsons probably gives up twice as many big plays as he makes...and his coverage ability is seriously overrated.
Lawson gives up big plays? Please give me some examples.
Dec 6, 2010 at 12:23 AM
- AlohaBruh
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A good coach gets players into positions where they can get into a position using skill to make a play. If you comprehend what I'm saying not only is goldson overrated but so is manusky.
Dec 6, 2010 at 10:00 AM
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We coundn't get him the Troy Polamalu contract because it had the Head & Shoulders clause...so we went for the missed tackle and no interception clause in the contract...
Dec 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM
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I like deshon goldson but he has played bad this year why maybe he is injured but last year he was a turnover machine forcing fumbles making ints this year he has been nonexistent a complete non factor hopefully a contract extension will make him wake up and play better wtf
Dec 6, 2010 at 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:Originally posted by lamontb:Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:Originally posted by lamontb:
This guy is just playing bad. He appears to just not know how to play safety. He's never behind the defender. Every week he's just getting beat deep, and getting beat badly. He never makes an accurate play on the ball, and is a suspect tackler. The sad thing is this also describes Mays and Smith. They have major holes at safety, and it's been that way for 3 years now.
I dont disagree, but doesn't that speak to coaching? Why are defenders always getting behind him? Maybe because he is always at the line of scrimmage looking into the backfield trying to stop the run.
That's not coaching that's called a bad player. He's supposed to look in the backfield for the run and to read the qb's eyes. If it's run then he comes up to make the play. If it's not run then he falls into his coverage responsibilities. Not covering your man b/c you are jumping imaginary routes and not being able to tackle has nothing to do with coaching.
Is that really how it works? At his discretion? I've never been a coach, but you would think you could let our 3 Dline and 4LBs worry about run. As we have already seen, having our DBs worry about the run leads to big plays in the form of play action pass or the flea flicker.
After all, isn't that why droping 8 men in the box is risky against a good QB.
Honestly, I dont know. It just seems too simple to say everyone sucks. Again, I've seen too many players leave the Niners to go on and be solid on other teams.
That's just basic football 101. He's the safety. He's the last line of defense in the passing and running game, not just the passing game. I mean if it's run play you don't want your safeties still to be dropping back into coverage instead of coming up to make the play. It's ideal that the front 7 will make the play but that doesn't always happen. so you want your safeties to be right there to make the play. That's why Micheal Lewis was called a good in the box safety. B/c he was good when he had to come down in the box and make the tackle, but poor in coverage. He has to do both to be considered a quality safety. I'm not saying everyone sucks but Goldson does. And I'm not high on Manusky either. It's a mixture of both. His schemes are very vanilla and easy to pick apart. But simple things such as not even covering your man while you are looking at a unoccupied zone, and not being able to make a simple tackle, or never being in position to make a big play or constantly letting defenders get behind you. That's just bad safety play.