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Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Smith Hater is someone who is not as satisfied with his play compared to others who think he's playing well considering the path he has taken to this point.

Smith Haters don't believe he has the tools to help this team win in critical situations.

Smith Haters don't believe he can get any better.

So basically, anyone with justified doubts is a hater.

It's all about how you express those doubts. The people that just come out and say Smith sucks without any logical reason why, those are the haters, and their opinion is meaningless to everyone but themselves.

Furthermore, anyone that says without a doubt that he absolutely can't get better is just plain f**king ignorant. OF COURSE he CAN get better, but can and will are two very different things.

Also, there are plenty of people with justified doubts that aren't considered "Smith haters," myself included. I definitely have my doubts about him, and he will very likely have this season and this season only to dispel those doubts and prove that he can lead this team to the playoffs and do it consistently. That's pretty much it, no matter what you think of him, he's almost certainly going to be our starting QB this season.
Saying "Smith sucks" is justified. Sure, we could all substantiate that argument with the myriad of evidence he's provided, but that would take too long. I don't think it's unfair to say he sucks until he proves otherwise. I don't count his performance this past year as saying otherwise. He's still shown the same flaws that will always be there, regardless of scheme, coach, or talent around him (ie: staring down receivers, throwing the ball inaccurately, inability to read defenses, inability to make adjustments on the fly)
Originally posted by excelsior:
Some time ago, Joecool made a very insightful observtion: There can be a problem with having a QB who is too good. It often leads to the OC relying on the passing game too much and the playcalling becomes too predictable. Moreover, the team starts to think that it doesn't have to reach within itself to win - just let "Great QB" win it for them.

So I see a blessing in Smith being good (with limitations) rather than GREAT. Then we know that it takes a complete team, and complete team effort to win.

If you are referring to his analysis that the Colts Super Bowl loss was due to an over dependency on Peyton Manning, and not attempting a sufficient number of running plays other than the draw from shotgun, I think I pretty much addressed that as inaccurate. For one, the Saints had one fewer rush attempt than the Colts and lot fewer yards, so technically, they relied on their quarterback slightly more than the Colts did, and they won. The Colts' biggest lead in the game was 10 in the first half against the number one offense in the league, not really a situation where you change styles and go heavy run to kill the clock. And they played most of the second half from behind, virtually forcing them to have to throw. Second, of the Colts' 19 rush attempts, only one...one!!...was from shotgun. So while it was/is an interesting theory, the "facts" he based that theory on are incorrect.

I suppose there are people in any profession or situation that, when there is a very strong individual working along side of them, will have a tendency to slack off or not perform up to their potential with the subconscious knowledge that the stronger person will pick up the slack. However, to say you do not want to have the strong person there, so that the others don't slack off, seems really off to me, counterproductive even. I think the better option would be to have that great person, and simply push/drive the other people to still perform at their best. In the setting of a football team, that great person is often the quarterback. A strong coaching staff should be able to keep the rest of the team from slacking off. If the other players do not perform at their best, they need to be replaced, or the coaching staff needs to be replaced, not the great player. Many of the truly great quarterbacks will even affect the rest of the team so that they play better than they otherwise would. The prime example would be Peyton Manning. A second year guy that spent most of the previous year on the practice squad and a rookie performing well beyond expectation. An offensive line full of what many call undersized players that most teams would probably have as backups giving up among the fewest sacks in the league (much of that is due to Manning's quick reads, quick decisions, and getting the ball out). A pro-bowl center that was undrafted, rookie running backs reading the defenses and picking up the blitz, and on and on.

I've said it before in one of these many, many QB threads. The best thing for a team is to have a QB that makes the players around him better. Not a QB that needs the players around him to help him play better. And for some to think that you'd actually want a QB who was not great so that the rest of the team is forced to pick up the slack is just really odd to me.

[ Edited by mrgneissguy on Feb 23, 2010 at 11:14:02 ]
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by prime21:
What is a Smith Hater? Is it a fan who is not satisfied with the play we have seen from the QB position for the last 7-8 yrs? Is it a fan who appreciates winning over losing? Why are these fans labeled "Smith Haters"? Is it such a surprise that after being spoiled with back to back HOF QBs and then a pretty darned good one in Garcia, that some fans would not celebrate this mediocrity that has been put forth from our QBs for the last few+ seasons?
I for one, do not "HATE" Alex Smith, in my book he is a human being trying to be successful just like the rest of us. If Smith comes out next season and shows that he is a Pro Bowl caliber QB then all the speculation will be put to rest. On the other side of the coin, what if he does the same thing he has done since he became a pro? Show just enough promise to hang on for another season.
I think it is fitting that we are in the final season of Smith's contract. He has been given more than enough time to develop as a pro. Many will argue that Smith has not been groomed in the most optimal of situations, but in reality, who really ever does? Now Smith has one season to put it all together. Deep down I am pulling for the guy, but so far I haven't seen a reason to keep him aboard. Now go ahead and say it.

it is kind of like pornography my friend...I cant define a "Smith hater", but i know one when i see one....

they have certain traits...For example, like saying Smith has had more than enough time to develop as a pro, citing that this is his 5th year in the league, when in actuality 2 of those years were cut short by injury, and the first year was played with the least talented team in the nfl

they often try to mask their true feelings with comments like "I for one do not hate ALex Smith"

also they like to ignore the development the young man has had...see better #s from 2005 to 2006 to 2009, the years that he actually played

they often times say I am rooting for the guy, when everything else they say and do shows the opposite

they would crown Nate Davis a star in the making for his performance in some practice games, ignoring Smith's production in real games

they actually get happy when Smith struggles, even if that means the Niners are losing

they tend to discount every success Smith has, while harping on every unsuccesful thing he does....they often throw immature names like Alex Leaf out there

I could go on, but I think this covers it pretty well

Amen buddy... Did he really have to animate the 2 girls one cup???? that was nasty lmao
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Saying "Smith sucks" is justified. Sure, we could all substantiate that argument with the myriad of evidence he's provided, but that would take too long. I don't think it's unfair to say he sucks until he proves otherwise. I don't count his performance this past year as saying otherwise. He's still shown the same flaws that will always be there, regardless of scheme, coach, or talent around him (ie: staring down receivers, throwing the ball inaccurately, inability to read defenses, inability to make adjustments on the fly)

Fact: Smith has improved every year he's played so "your expert analysis" is




I am a proud Alexesual!!!
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No one who takes the time to post on this website is a hater.

Alex Smith critics are 49er fans who have high standards for the quarterback position.
Originally posted by crzy:
No one who takes the time to post on this website is a hater.

Alex Smith critics are 49er fans who have high standards for the quarterback position.

High standards or unrealistic, unbiased or unsubstantiated? An earlier post quoted saying Smith still has the same faults but don't cite which. An earlier flaw that Smith seemed to get under my skin was holding the ball too long or throwing it away way too often and this year he seemed to correct that flaw (this in spite of a porous O-line). As always the finger gets pointed at Smith for all faults this team has. Yet he took a pay cut, sat on the bench and not once whined about it. When his time came up, he was productive and still people point out the losses, the high or low throws, the drops and turnovers. They point to his lack of leadership, but to be able to take the criticism, the hate, and blame and not point the finger back shows leadership. To be able to go out on the field and adjust to game speeds and not having the reps, show leadership. I'm willing to see what he has to show because of the maturation he's displayed, he's shown more intestinal fortitude out there than a McNabb. Donovan has been catered to with a good O-line, a good head coach/offensive coordinator, and when his leadership gets questioned, he calls for players to be released (Owens, Garcia). Yet in spite of that, what does he have to show for? I'm just as concerned about our QB situation, but we might just have something finally going right and people are calling for change without citing a good reason.
Originally posted by crzy:
No one who takes the time to post on this website is a hater.

Alex Smith critics are 49er fans who have high standards for the quarterback position.

you don't think fans are biased about certain players? you're so innocent...so cuteeee *pinches cheeks*
Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
I am a proud Alexesual!!!


Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Smith haters don't wear blinders.

Even the ones who were calling him Alex "Leaf" prior to him throwing 18 touchdowns in 10 games this year?
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Saying "Smith sucks" is justified. Sure, we could all substantiate that argument with the myriad of evidence he's provided, but that would take too long. I don't think it's unfair to say he sucks until he proves otherwise. I don't count his performance this past year as saying otherwise. He's still shown the same flaws that will always be there, regardless of scheme, coach, or talent around him (ie: staring down receivers, throwing the ball inaccurately, inability to read defenses, inability to make adjustments on the fly)

He actually made some nice improvisational plays this year. The TD pass against the Jaguars (where he drew the defense in) and the great play he made at the end of the first half against the Titans. I also remember him making some nice adjustments on that final drive to beat the Cards in one of his few healthy games in 07. So I wouldn't categorically state that he has an "inability" make adjustments. I will say it is something that I would like to see more of.
[ Edited by BHulman on Apr 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM ]
[ Edited by 49ersMan420 on Apr 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM ]
go niners !!
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Smith haters don't wear blinders.

Even the ones who were calling him Alex "Leaf" prior to him throwing 18 touchdowns in 10 games this year?

And how many interceptions, 12! How many total turnovers? Man, 18 TD's canbe sugar coated pretty easily.
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