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No Shotgun Offense Please: Colts a perfect reason why.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM
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Feb 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:Originally posted by NP9er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by GEEK:Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
I love this post.
No further explanation needed.
Unless you're perfectly happy LOSING the Super Bowl! Last time I looked, the idea was to out smart and out perform the other team. Which the winning team did yesterday.
2 Super Bowls with 1 win the last couple years, along with consistently being a Super Bowl contender every year, is more than this team has done in over 15 years.
Besides, the Colts didn't lose last night because of their offense.
They are playing against a very high powered offense so 20-30 points was expected to be given up. Even then, 7 of those points were handed to the Saints.
The Colts lost because of their offense. They only scored 17 points against a team that didn't have a great defense. The Colts defense played as expected and actually played better than expected by giving up less than 30.
They didn't lose because of their defense. They lost because their offense couldn't provide a big play here and there because it was too damn predictable.
I suppose you also think the Packers offense lost them the game against the Cardinals in the Wild Card game ...
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:Originally posted by NP9er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by GEEK:Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
I love this post.
No further explanation needed.
Unless you're perfectly happy LOSING the Super Bowl! Last time I looked, the idea was to out smart and out perform the other team. Which the winning team did yesterday.
2 Super Bowls with 1 win the last couple years, along with consistently being a Super Bowl contender every year, is more than this team has done in over 15 years.
Besides, the Colts didn't lose last night because of their offense.
They are playing against a very high powered offense so 20-30 points was expected to be given up. Even then, 7 of those points were handed to the Saints.
The Colts lost because of their offense. They only scored 17 points against a team that didn't have a great defense. The Colts defense played as expected and actually played better than expected by giving up less than 30.
They didn't lose because of their defense. They lost because their offense couldn't provide a big play here and there because it was too damn predictable.
I don't buy it.
I blame the Colts loss on mistakes, not on their offensive strategy: dropped passes that would've been first downs and touchdowns, trying to run out the clock before the half instead of going for a score, and of course Manning's fatal interception.
I also think that the Saints are a great defense. They have the DPOY, and they stopped 3 Hall of Fame QB's on their path to the Super Bowl.
Let's face it, this is a team that, before last night, didn't lose a game all season with their starters and their offensive philosophy.
Anybody who thinks the Colts lost because of their offense is out of their minds; I just think the Saints played a perfect game, while the Colts made some mistakes. Although I do think the Colts should run the ball more.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM
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While the Colts play(ed) out of shotgun quite a bit, to say they were running too much out of shotgun I don't see. Many of those long running plays were from under center, especially early in the game. The Colts started in shotgun, then Manning saw the defense, called an audible, went under center, and then handed it to Addai. In the second half, the Colts played a lot more shotgun, but also attempted to rush a lot less.
But being in Indy and watching them every week, I don't see how anyone can pin the loss on the offense. I saw two things that I had not seen all season in the game last night that I think cost them. Manning was effective, Addai was effective. Their game plan and in game adjustments were not.
1. No pressure at all on Brees in the second half. The Colts have been able to put a lot of pressure on QBs all year, and always seemed to be stronger and faster as the game went on. Last night, they got slower and weaker as the game wore on. Freeney was pretty effective in the first half. He should have been on the sideline the second half. He wasn't even coming close to beating out the tackle.
2. Timid play. The Colts have played all season aggressively. The defense went after people and took them down. It didn't matter how much time was left before half time, if the offense had the ball, they were aggressive and trying for points. While the defense started out strong, and then toward the end of the half made a huge goal line stand, they were rewarded by the offense sitting on the ball trying to (unsuccessfully) simply run out the clock instead of doing what they do best, score late in the half. The defense never looked the same after that. They missed more tackles in one game than they've missed all year. They were too timid, and the Saints aggressively took the game away from them.
But back on point. I saw plenty of run plays from under center, more than usual actually.
But being in Indy and watching them every week, I don't see how anyone can pin the loss on the offense. I saw two things that I had not seen all season in the game last night that I think cost them. Manning was effective, Addai was effective. Their game plan and in game adjustments were not.
1. No pressure at all on Brees in the second half. The Colts have been able to put a lot of pressure on QBs all year, and always seemed to be stronger and faster as the game went on. Last night, they got slower and weaker as the game wore on. Freeney was pretty effective in the first half. He should have been on the sideline the second half. He wasn't even coming close to beating out the tackle.
2. Timid play. The Colts have played all season aggressively. The defense went after people and took them down. It didn't matter how much time was left before half time, if the offense had the ball, they were aggressive and trying for points. While the defense started out strong, and then toward the end of the half made a huge goal line stand, they were rewarded by the offense sitting on the ball trying to (unsuccessfully) simply run out the clock instead of doing what they do best, score late in the half. The defense never looked the same after that. They missed more tackles in one game than they've missed all year. They were too timid, and the Saints aggressively took the game away from them.
But back on point. I saw plenty of run plays from under center, more than usual actually.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:Originally posted by NP9er:Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by GEEK:Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
I love this post.
No further explanation needed.
Unless you're perfectly happy LOSING the Super Bowl! Last time I looked, the idea was to out smart and out perform the other team. Which the winning team did yesterday.
2 Super Bowls with 1 win the last couple years, along with consistently being a Super Bowl contender every year, is more than this team has done in over 15 years.
Besides, the Colts didn't lose last night because of their offense.[/quote
Actually, yes they did. Down one score, that interception was set up so easy for the defense to read. Then down two scores the offense was pathetic in the red zone. Especially Adai, just standing virtually still while Manning danced around for 7 or 8 seconds waiting for an open reciever. I watched those two sequences over again late last night and was appalled at how easy the pick was to see/read. Heck as I watched I saw three different times preceeding thactual interception that even I could see what was coming. I was working during the actual game, so I had to depend on DVR replay to see what actually happened. I knew the final score, so I kept wandering how the difference reached 14 points. Then as I watched the offensive sets I knew it must have been a pick. There was no deception what so ever. You could see Manning choose his reciever almost at the snap, (scary close to the way Alex Smith locks in on a reciever to early). Then on the colts desperation follow up, both Manning and Adai caused the plays to break down.
Bottom line, thank God we once had Bill Walsh to show us how offense should be run. Manning can keep his place in the record books, I'd rather have the 5 Lombardies.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ninefan56:Originally posted by tjd808185:
The Colts don't have the line or the rushing attack to play under center. Like the Patriots right now they have limited options on how they can exploit the defense.
That being said I wouldn't make too much of it. Subtract an effective onside kick and we're talking about a completely different game.
Not only that but Pierre Garcon dropped a TD pass. If he caught and scored on that play then the the Saints would have been scrambling harder. But that is football, a game of inches. This game the Saints won it. Now all of the copycats will be looking for 6' QBs. It was a close game, the Saints made 1-2 more plays and got a little lucky.
Don't you mean 5'11-3/4" QB's?
Brees insisted that the people at the combine re-measure his height until he was listed as 6'
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:28 PM
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Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.
This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders
Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.
This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders
Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM
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The Saints scored 45 points against the Cards and 31 Points against a solid Vikings defense.
The Colts defense only gave up 24. The Colts defense played the Saints better than any team during these playoffs.
On the other hand, the Colts offense scored 20 points against a strong Ravens defense and 30 points against the best defense in the league (Jets).
Therefore, the Colts offense scored less points than the Saints have given up on average in the Playoffs compared to the Colts Defense gave up on par points than the Saints average score in the playoffs.
Siants Defense allowed an average of 21 points (14 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Offense only put up 17.
Saints Offense averaged 36.5 points (45 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Defense only gave up 24.
And Colts offense turned the ball over. They lost because their offense played below average compared to their defense.
The Colts defense only gave up 24. The Colts defense played the Saints better than any team during these playoffs.
On the other hand, the Colts offense scored 20 points against a strong Ravens defense and 30 points against the best defense in the league (Jets).
Therefore, the Colts offense scored less points than the Saints have given up on average in the Playoffs compared to the Colts Defense gave up on par points than the Saints average score in the playoffs.
Siants Defense allowed an average of 21 points (14 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Offense only put up 17.
Saints Offense averaged 36.5 points (45 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Defense only gave up 24.
And Colts offense turned the ball over. They lost because their offense played below average compared to their defense.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by solidg2000:
Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.
This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders
Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?
You do know they are usually the favorites every year but keep getting knocked out except for one time, right? They rely too much on one style. If they were able to set up more misdirection with the run, Manning would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, everyone knows the Colts will never be a threat to run so the defenses will never be fooled.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
The Saints scored 45 points against the Cards and 31 Points against a solid Vikings defense.
The Colts defense only gave up 24. The Colts defense played the Saints better than any team during these playoffs.
On the other hand, the Colts offense scored 20 points against a strong Ravens defense and 30 points against the best defense in the league (Jets).
Therefore, the Colts offense scored less points than the Saints have given up on average in the Playoffs compared to the Colts Defense gave up on par points than the Saints average score in the playoffs.
Siants Defense allowed an average of 21 points (14 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Offense only put up 17.
Saints Offense averaged 36.5 points (45 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Defense only gave up 24.
And Colts offense turned the ball over. They lost because their offense played below average compared to their defense.
So based on one game, you wanna throw their whole philosophy out the window?
I'm not surprised really, that's the kind of overreaction I've come to expect from the Webzone.
[ Edited by YourHuckleberry on Feb 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM ]
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM
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What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM
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It's simple:
Both teams have offensive talent at WR and RBs.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
Both teams have offensive talent at WR and RBs.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:Originally posted by Joecool:
The Saints scored 45 points against the Cards and 31 Points against a solid Vikings defense.
The Colts defense only gave up 24. The Colts defense played the Saints better than any team during these playoffs.
On the other hand, the Colts offense scored 20 points against a strong Ravens defense and 30 points against the best defense in the league (Jets).
Therefore, the Colts offense scored less points than the Saints have given up on average in the Playoffs compared to the Colts Defense gave up on par points than the Saints average score in the playoffs.
Siants Defense allowed an average of 21 points (14 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Offense only put up 17.
Saints Offense averaged 36.5 points (45 and 28) in the playoffs: Colts Defense only gave up 24.
And Colts offense turned the ball over. They lost because their offense played below average compared to their defense.
So based on one game, you wanna throw their whole philosophy out the window?
I'm not surprised really, that's the kind of overreaction I've come to expect from the Webzone.
I'm sure the Colts know how to run a play action pass.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.
NO, let's just run an offense that will pad his stats so you can say he isn't a bust and let the team sort out the losses.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.
NO, let's just run an offense that will pad his stats so you can say he isn't a bust and let the team sort out the losses.
Teams model their offenses around the quarterbacks strengths, not weaknesses. Our organization has been so bad the past 5 or 6 years that nobody realized Alex can only play in the spread.