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No Shotgun Offense Please: Colts a perfect reason why.

Saints were not about to give up anything big in the passing game and the Colts played right into that and adjusted, sort of.

The Colts began running the ball easily getting 5 yard chunks. Did this help them open up their offense? Absolutely not. When they went back to the pass, they were right back where they started: dump-offs here and there with no ability to get anything open deep or yards after the catch.

Why did this happen? I mean, they were able to run the ball well. It happened because when they ran the ball, it was in Shotgun against nickel or dime. When they passed the ball, it was still against nickel or dime. Running the ball out of Shotgun had no affect on the defensive strategy. The Playaction played no part in these runs.

If they began to snap from under Center and ran the ball, it would have opened up the affect of what the importance of running the ball actually is used for, which is PLAYACTION. None of those runs set up any type of playaction to help the Colts free up something deep or a breakdown in coverage for open holes after the catch.

So please, let's not resort to being a Shotgun team.
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
  • GEEK
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Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.

The Colts don't have the line or the rushing attack to play under center. Like the Patriots right now they have limited options on how they can exploit the defense.

That being said I wouldn't make too much of it. Subtract an effective onside kick and we're talking about a completely different game.
They were also 32nd in the league in rushing right? With Frank Gore the Niners will not be that low. One of the key lessons Singletary learned this year is that you need to have a balanced offense. So don't worry about being a pure Shotgun offense.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
The Colts don't have the line or the rushing attack to play under center. Like the Patriots right now they have limited options on how they can exploit the defense.

That being said I wouldn't make too much of it. Subtract an effective onside kick and we're talking about a completely different game.

this, the colts d was not ready to come in after that onsides kick. And the whole team never recovered after that.
Originally posted by global_nomad:
They were also 32nd in the league in rushing right? With Frank Gore the Niners will not be that low. One of the key lessons Singletary learned this year is that you need to have a balanced offense. So don't worry about being a pure Shotgun offense.

That could have a lot to do with the fact that they run out of the Shotgun or don't run very much.

As for the earler post on this thread, yeah, how dominant of a team are they and how many times do they get figured out in the playoffs? Seriously, there's a huge flaw in their system and it's Peyton Manning. It's like how it was with Marino: you feel like you are wasting the skill of the QB so you want to be a pass heavy offense while completly ignoring the fact that it's about keeping the opposition guessing. There's no guessing when you are playing against Marino or Manning because you play nickel or dime and keep everything short. This works against weaker teams but it doesn't work against top level teams as they are discipliined, have the talent to play agianst, and can figure how to beat a 1-dimensional team no matter how great that 1 aspect is.

However, there's a huge advantage when you can disguise your offense and keep the defense off balance. There's more chances for bigger plays or broken coverage.
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
The Colts don't have the line or the rushing attack to play under center. Like the Patriots right now they have limited options on how they can exploit the defense.

That being said I wouldn't make too much of it. Subtract an effective onside kick and we're talking about a completely different game.

this, the colts d was not ready to come in after that onsides kick. And the whole team never recovered after that.

The Colts came right back and took the lead.
the saints only rushed for 58 yards...

not like the saints didnt spread the field...

but hey, they only won the superbowl

You need balance. You also need the ability to become a run team or a shotgun team at the drop of a dime.
[ Edited by ads_2006 on Feb 8, 2010 at 10:43 AM ]
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Saints were not about to give up anything big in the passing game and the Colts played right into that and adjusted, sort of.

The Colts began running the ball easily getting 5 yard chunks. Did this help them open up their offense? Absolutely not. When they went back to the pass, they were right back where they started: dump-offs here and there with no ability to get anything open deep or yards after the catch.

Why did this happen? I mean, they were able to run the ball well. It happened because when they ran the ball, it was in Shotgun against nickel or dime. When they passed the ball, it was still against nickel or dime. Running the ball out of Shotgun had no affect on the defensive strategy. The Playaction played no part in these runs.

If they began to snap from under Center and ran the ball, it would have opened up the affect of what the importance of running the ball actually is used for, which is PLAYACTION. None of those runs set up any type of playaction to help the Colts free up something deep or a breakdown in coverage for open holes after the catch.

So please, let's not resort to being a Shotgun team.

Don't the Saints run a good amount of shotgun? And, they have a much better running game than the Colts despite not having a star RB.
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Saints were not about to give up anything big in the passing game and the Colts played right into that and adjusted, sort of.

The Colts began running the ball easily getting 5 yard chunks. Did this help them open up their offense? Absolutely not. When they went back to the pass, they were right back where they started: dump-offs here and there with no ability to get anything open deep or yards after the catch.

Why did this happen? I mean, they were able to run the ball well. It happened because when they ran the ball, it was in Shotgun against nickel or dime. When they passed the ball, it was still against nickel or dime. Running the ball out of Shotgun had no affect on the defensive strategy. The Playaction played no part in these runs.

If they began to snap from under Center and ran the ball, it would have opened up the affect of what the importance of running the ball actually is used for, which is PLAYACTION. None of those runs set up any type of playaction to help the Colts free up something deep or a breakdown in coverage for open holes after the catch.

So please, let's not resort to being a Shotgun team.

Don't the Saints run a good amount of shotgun? And, they have a much better running game than the Colts despite not having a star RB.

Not as much as you'd think. They just have about 43 billion different types of formations
Originally posted by tjd808185:
The Colts don't have the line or the rushing attack to play under center. Like the Patriots right now they have limited options on how they can exploit the defense.

That being said I wouldn't make too much of it. Subtract an effective onside kick and we're talking about a completely different game.

Not only that but Pierre Garcon dropped a TD pass. If he caught and scored on that play then the the Saints would have been scrambling harder. But that is football, a game of inches. This game the Saints won it. Now all of the copycats will be looking for 6' QBs. It was a close game, the Saints made 1-2 more plays and got a little lucky.
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No drop passes, pick sixes, allowing 32 completions on 37 attempts Please: Colts a perfect reason why


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Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Saints were not about to give up anything big in the passing game and the Colts played right into that and adjusted, sort of.

The Colts began running the ball easily getting 5 yard chunks. Did this help them open up their offense? Absolutely not. When they went back to the pass, they were right back where they started: dump-offs here and there with no ability to get anything open deep or yards after the catch.

Why did this happen? I mean, they were able to run the ball well. It happened because when they ran the ball, it was in Shotgun against nickel or dime. When they passed the ball, it was still against nickel or dime. Running the ball out of Shotgun had no affect on the defensive strategy. The Playaction played no part in these runs.

If they began to snap from under Center and ran the ball, it would have opened up the affect of what the importance of running the ball actually is used for, which is PLAYACTION. None of those runs set up any type of playaction to help the Colts free up something deep or a breakdown in coverage for open holes after the catch.

So please, let's not resort to being a Shotgun team.

Don't the Saints run a good amount of shotgun? And, they have a much better running game than the Colts despite not having a star RB.

Not as much as you'd think. They just have about 43 billion different types of formations

I recall Saints still used playaction effectively. It doesn't even matter if you run alot, the playaction from under Center freezes the middle of the field players that split second and all these QB' need is that split second. Too bad Peyton Manning doesn't understand this or his OC or HC don't understand this.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.


I love this post.

No further explanation needed.