Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by valrod33:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by 49erFan:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by krizay:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by dj43:
Until Davis learns how to run routes other than verts, and read defenses well enough to be an effective "hot read" receiver, and cures his droppsies, and eliminates his false start penalties, he will not be the best all-around TE in the league.
Davis made his biggest improvement this past season in his career. He still has a ways to go before he can legitimately be called the best. Until then, he best let his play talk instead of his mouth.
This! I mean the main reason he didnt make it to the All Pro team was because of his drops. And thats what separates the goods from greats. No one cares about how many blocks DC has. They care about how many catches and TD's.
So while im definitely in my boys corner, he does have to prove a little more before he can really diss a proven player. Davis' Blocking skills are off the hook, but if thats all they wanted to see he might of made it from his rookie year till now.
And for any vets out there i'm just curious; HAS there ever been a TE thats made it to the All Pro team or Pro Bowl on the merit of just being the best blocking TE in the league. If there are, then Davis should of definitely be on the All Pro team, and can have a little validity in saying he's the best.
Let's be fair now. Dallas Clark had 9 drops himself. Only 2 behind Vernon.
WTF, did he? Damn i didnt even know that, but i mean to be real, thats the only reason i can think of him not being on the All PRO Team.
At one point tho, Davis did leave more than a few TD's on the board, and Clark (maybe has), but then if thats the case how come they talked more about Davis' drops.
Makes you wonder, Hmmmmmm
Thanks krizay, just when i thought it made sense, now you said Clark's drops are only 2 under Davis, so know im all f**ked up. lol
Well Clark did have 100 catches, 1106 yards & 10 TD's
All of that looks better than 78 catches, 965 yards & 13 td's
You guys only want to look at the 13 td's because it's Vernon Davis. But Clark's look far better across the board than Davis'
Again this proves that was Davis did was even more incredible. With 22 less catches, he was able to tie the NFL record for TD's by a TE.
He did that without Peyton Manning as QB. Without Reggie Wayne taking the double teams.
VD is a far better blocker than Clark, and as you pointed out VD only had two more drops than Dallas Clark... So much for the best argument anyone had that Clark was better...
Imagine what VD would have done in Clark's situation, and Clark in VD's. This isn't rocket science.
Also, people keep pointing out those 13TD's because it's an NFL Record! It IS a big deal! Scoring TD's is the biggest factor in winning football games. Without VD the 49ers would have been picking in the top 5. Dallas Clark could not hve did for this team, what Vernon Davis did.
Ah you people!
Let me explain my post to you. The guy posted that drop passes was the only reason why he thought Vernon should have been left off the 09 all-pro team. He then found out that Clark only had 2 less drops. So he was confused as to why Vernon was left off the 09 all-pro team. I was merely pointing out why Clark was indeed voted to the 09 all pro team over Vernon Davis. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is. It doesn't matter who has who at WR. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE NUMBERS WHEN IT COMES TO AN ALL PRO TEAM.
That is what the conversation was about. You people need to quit quoting me without reading. Or understanding what you're reading. In fact that's my knew signature.
Don't quote me if you can't read or follow a discussion!
Kz!
what do you mean you people
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There's always ATLEAST one of you quoting me and changing the argument.
Don't quote me if you can't read or follow a discussion!
Kz!
my name is Nate Davis
It took me a minute but
Don't quote me if you can't read or follow a discussion!
Kz!