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Jan 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM
- PTulini
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We need speed on defense as well. (Especially in the secondary) We could use another pass rusher too.
Jan 25, 2010 at 8:08 PM
- ninerfan818
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Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Via MM from yesterday :
Quote:
The Colts' line is comprised of a bunch of castoffs. The Colts have tried unsuccessfully to upgrade via the draft. In 2007 and '08, the Colts invested second-round picks in tackle Tony Ugoh (they traded their first pick in '08 to the 49ers to move up to get him) and guard Mike Pollak..
But Ugoh and Pollak have been disappointments. Pollak lost his starting job to an undrafted first-year player. And Ugoh was beaten out by unheralded fourth-year player Charlie Johnson at left tackle.
Colts offensive line
LT Charlie Johnson: Sixth-round pick, 2006
LG Ryan Lilja: Claimed off waivers from Chiefs, 2004
C Jeff Saturday: Undrafted free agent, 1999
RG Kyle DeVan: Undrafted free agent, 2008
RT Ryan Diem: Fourth-round pick, 2001
Behind this line, Peyton Manning was sacked an NFL-low 13 times this season.
This is going to make the Pro Alex Smith crowd ludicrous. You have to have an awesome o-line to be a good QB, no? In my humble opinion and nothing against Alex Smith (I don't hate him I just don't think he is good enough to QB in the NFL, so it is sacrelig to have him start in SF).
I think the team needs to cut Alex, Start Nate , Hill as #2 and see what we can find in the draft. I think the team is a QB away from making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. Defensive players are going to start leaving the organization if the offense doesn't step up. Loyalty takes you so far. Players want to win.
Jan 25, 2010 at 9:30 PM
- PopeyeJonesing
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For everyone who obsesses over speed every single offseason:
Why not just be Raiders fans? They're close by, they absolutely suck by drafting with this philosophy. It seems so simple.
Why not just be Raiders fans? They're close by, they absolutely suck by drafting with this philosophy. It seems so simple.
[ Edited by PopeyeJonesing on Jan 25, 2010 at 9:31 PM ]
Jan 26, 2010 at 12:01 AM
- Quitugua
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Originally posted by BigDaddy:Originally posted by Quitugua:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Yeah you're right, thanks man! Back to the basics or fundamentals of football. We really do need to fix this O-Line (which I pray that we do), fix the Coach (bring in Marty Schottenheimer) & GM (someone who actually knows how to build a team from nothing into something).
I'm pretty sure we got a new O-Line coach and a good one at that. You did know that didn't you. And by the way, how many post season games or BB's did Marty win? Food for thought.
Yeah I read about the Solari hire & I'm all for it. Although, Marty's resume in post season sucks, he still gets his teams to the playoffs. Especially with all the teams that he's coached which is much more than what Singletary can actually do. & we just keep on & on & on with not making the playoffs at all for how long??? Just being honest, man.
Jan 26, 2010 at 4:37 AM
- CorvaNinerFan
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Forget about Reggie Bush...way too inconsistent. Now, if you want to talk about Josh Cribbs, I'm all ears. He's unhappy with his contract, so it'd take a trade to get him. As for rookies, Spiller's got to be top dog...but, there are others, Gilyard, Tate, Best (although I'm not nearly as high on him as some seem to be), McKnight (he could be a real bargin in 4th rd or so), Damian Williams, Shipley, Jacoby Ford, etc. Ideally, we get a guy who plays a real position in addition to returning kicks.
Jan 26, 2010 at 5:49 AM
- Paul_Hofer
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Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Via MM from yesterday :
Quote:
The Colts' line is comprised of a bunch of castoffs. The Colts have tried unsuccessfully to upgrade via the draft. In 2007 and '08, the Colts invested second-round picks in tackle Tony Ugoh (they traded their first pick in '08 to the 49ers to move up to get him) and guard Mike Pollak..
But Ugoh and Pollak have been disappointments. Pollak lost his starting job to an undrafted first-year player. And Ugoh was beaten out by unheralded fourth-year player Charlie Johnson at left tackle.
Colts offensive line
LT Charlie Johnson: Sixth-round pick, 2006
LG Ryan Lilja: Claimed off waivers from Chiefs, 2004
C Jeff Saturday: Undrafted free agent, 1999
RG Kyle DeVan: Undrafted free agent, 2008
RT Ryan Diem: Fourth-round pick, 2001
Behind this line, Peyton Manning was sacked an NFL-low 13 times this season.
Peyton Manning isn't the Niners' QB.
Jan 26, 2010 at 8:50 AM
- evil
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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Via MM from yesterday :
Quote:
The Colts' line is comprised of a bunch of castoffs. The Colts have tried unsuccessfully to upgrade via the draft. In 2007 and '08, the Colts invested second-round picks in tackle Tony Ugoh (they traded their first pick in '08 to the 49ers to move up to get him) and guard Mike Pollak..
But Ugoh and Pollak have been disappointments. Pollak lost his starting job to an undrafted first-year player. And Ugoh was beaten out by unheralded fourth-year player Charlie Johnson at left tackle.
Colts offensive line
LT Charlie Johnson: Sixth-round pick, 2006
LG Ryan Lilja: Claimed off waivers from Chiefs, 2004
C Jeff Saturday: Undrafted free agent, 1999
RG Kyle DeVan: Undrafted free agent, 2008
RT Ryan Diem: Fourth-round pick, 2001
Behind this line, Peyton Manning was sacked an NFL-low 13 times this season.
Peyton Manning isn't the Niners' QB.
13 sacks is beyond impressive regardless of who the QB is. But it proves that good OL can be had outside the 1st and 2nd round.
Jan 26, 2010 at 8:54 AM
- LasVegasWally
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Agreed. Wile we're at it - we need an Oline that can give the QB time to throw and lanes for RB
Jan 26, 2010 at 9:23 AM
- prime21
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Originally posted by PTulini:
MORE SPEED!
I feel like that's one of the main things the 49ers are missing. New Orleans has Reggie Bush and Minnesota has Percy Harvin. We need that speedy, home run threat. Someone who can stretch the field.
Vernon Davis!
Jan 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM
- prime21
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Via MM from yesterday :
Quote:
The Colts' line is comprised of a bunch of castoffs. The Colts have tried unsuccessfully to upgrade via the draft. In 2007 and '08, the Colts invested second-round picks in tackle Tony Ugoh (they traded their first pick in '08 to the 49ers to move up to get him) and guard Mike Pollak..
But Ugoh and Pollak have been disappointments. Pollak lost his starting job to an undrafted first-year player. And Ugoh was beaten out by unheralded fourth-year player Charlie Johnson at left tackle.
Colts offensive line
LT Charlie Johnson: Sixth-round pick, 2006
LG Ryan Lilja: Claimed off waivers from Chiefs, 2004
C Jeff Saturday: Undrafted free agent, 1999
RG Kyle DeVan: Undrafted free agent, 2008
RT Ryan Diem: Fourth-round pick, 2001
Behind this line, Peyton Manning was sacked an NFL-low 13 times this season.
This is going to make the Pro Alex Smith crowd ludicrous. You have to have an awesome o-line to be a good QB, no? In my humble opinion and nothing against Alex Smith (I don't hate him I just don't think he is good enough to QB in the NFL, so it is sacrelig to have him start in SF).
I think the team needs to cut Alex, Start Nate , Hill as #2 and see what we can find in the draft. I think the team is a QB away from making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. Defensive players are going to start leaving the organization if the offense doesn't step up. Loyalty takes you so far. Players want to win.
Jan 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM
- wolfpack52
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You want speed watch college. Niners have to address there biggest needs in the draft. everyone knows its the oline. Tired of seeing the qb run for his life and gore get hit in the backfield. Can u imagine Gore behind a good line? behind a great line?
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:24 AM
- KknighthawkK_9er
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Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not to beat a dead horse to death, but while we are at it, looking at the Vikes, saints, jets, and INdy, what do they all have in common? Great OLs, altho peyton makes up for whatever the INdy OL lacks. Great teams start with great OLs, and it has been that way since vince lombardi led his packers to the first SB win. Without a great OL, you are wasting the good efforts of QBs, Wrs, TEs, and RBs. You have to have a great OL to succeed. We don't and we haven't (succeeded). I am a bit morose about our future, in that our GM doesn't get it. Prediction: if Clown doesn't draft and/or FA 3 starters for our OL, he shouldn't be our GM next yr...or this one either, for that matter. But that is just my opinion. It is not sexy, it is just true. Unfortunately, our HC doesn't understand that either.
Out of left field we get a dumb lucky break. Bigmike was going to keep foerster, who he had "coaching failure" written all over him. We literally slopped into Solari. I just hope he remembers 10% of what he watched McKittrick do. When your HC and GM both miss the "build OL first" rule, that is not good news for our team. Hopefully solari can change that, because only thing worse than our OL was our OL coach. Maybe 2010 will be our yr to win more than we lose...but in large part, that is dependent on our OL, and folks we need 3 starters there.
Via MM from yesterday :
Quote:
The Colts' line is comprised of a bunch of castoffs. The Colts have tried unsuccessfully to upgrade via the draft. In 2007 and '08, the Colts invested second-round picks in tackle Tony Ugoh (they traded their first pick in '08 to the 49ers to move up to get him) and guard Mike Pollak..
But Ugoh and Pollak have been disappointments. Pollak lost his starting job to an undrafted first-year player. And Ugoh was beaten out by unheralded fourth-year player Charlie Johnson at left tackle.
Colts offensive line
LT Charlie Johnson: Sixth-round pick, 2006
LG Ryan Lilja: Claimed off waivers from Chiefs, 2004
C Jeff Saturday: Undrafted free agent, 1999
RG Kyle DeVan: Undrafted free agent, 2008
RT Ryan Diem: Fourth-round pick, 2001
Behind this line, Peyton Manning was sacked an NFL-low 13 times this season.
Peyton Manning isn't the Niners' QB.
13 sacks is beyond impressive regardless of who the QB is. But it proves that good OL can be had outside the 1st and 2nd round.
Well in this case, it matters very much who the QB is. Additionally, Indy's line is not that good, or should I say, it's not any better than our line. They have stressed throughout the playoffs that they would like to run the ball more, but feel like they can't because their OL is not physical enough.
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:36 AM
- Hitman49
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JAVID BEST WOULD LOOK PRETTY NICE IN NINERS UNI...
HE WOULD BE A STEAL IF WE COULD PICK HIM UP IN THE 2ND ROUND.
HE WOULD BE A STEAL IF WE COULD PICK HIM UP IN THE 2ND ROUND.
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM
- NeeJ49er
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Originally posted by Hitman49:
JAVID BEST WOULD LOOK PRETTY NICE IN NINERS UNI...
HE WOULD BE A STEAL IF WE COULD PICK HIM UP IN THE 2ND ROUND.
I agree, he could return kicks and be our #3 RB, I know a lot of niner fans want to keep MRob for his special teams play, but a speedy RB would be a nice luxury to have, MRob is a nice player, but his upside is gone and he is not a homerun hitter on offense
Jan 26, 2010 at 10:48 AM
- evil
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Originally posted by NeeJ49er:Originally posted by Hitman49:
JAVID BEST WOULD LOOK PRETTY NICE IN NINERS UNI...
HE WOULD BE A STEAL IF WE COULD PICK HIM UP IN THE 2ND ROUND.
I agree, he could return kicks and be our #3 RB, I know a lot of niner fans want to keep MRob for his special teams play, but a speedy RB would be a nice luxury to have, MRob is a nice player, but his upside is gone and he is not a homerun hitter on offense
Or we can carry 4 RB's like some teams do and still keep our ST's ace.