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Does anybody think that Balmer has the potential to do....anything?

I think he can, he hasn't had the opportunity to play more than 5 plays, he's always in and out. we need some consistency with him to let him grow. desean jackson makes me cry though
he returned some kicks iirc
nope. cut his ass and move on
Heck No!

I mean, this team hasn't had ANY late bloomers.

For instance, take a look at Manny Lawso...

Or how about Ahmad Broo...

And everyone knew that Vernon Davis was a pro-bowler after his first ye...

And then there's Alex Smith - who had a decent year this year but not all that much better than his rookie seaso...

Or what about Dashon Golds... Parys Haralso... Chilo Racha... Isaac Sopo... Aubrayo Frankli... Those guys came onto the team and just lit the world on fire - right?


Look, let's be honest - most players don't step in and play at a high level right away. Some guys take a while to develop. It's even harder to tell if a guy is developing when he backs up some of our better players and plays a position that isn't known for racking up stats.

Will Balmer develop into a good player? Heck if I know - but neither do you. And that's about all we can say.
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by foreign49er:
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by Born_Niner:
nope,nada,naw,uh-uh,nese,na,ein,aach,nei,naaga,moh,bu shi.... hell, i can say no in about 20 more different languages! lol... i think ill stop there, u get the point. the guys a bum.

what makes a guy a bum? someone who doesnt work hard? or someone who doesnt produce?

by all accounts seems Balmer is a very hard worker. and if were going by the "doesnt produce" argument the same can be said about Brooks until the latter half of this year, or Davis until this year, or Coffee.

or..are we going by the whole "first round status" deal? hmm yet we gave Vernon a pass for three years running. Alex has defenders since the first day we drafted him.

Vernon at least showed signs that he was making a play every once in a while. You cant honestly say that Balmer has been making plays.

The reason Vernon was making plays was that we didn't have any other Tight Ends on the team so he played every down. We have an extremely talented defensive line so there really isn't any place for a 2nd year guy to get on the field in a 3-4. If we were in a 4-3 I guarantee Balmer would be playing more and most likely making plays.

DE in a 3-4 is all about technique, remember a few years ago when Franklin and Sop were struggling? Now they are solid starters. Give him a year before you pass judgment. At least wait until we get a chance to see him play regularly....

not only that but Vernon went from 52 catches to 30 somthing and noone was talking about how he regressed or even how he became a bum or anythin like that.

foreign is right about the Dline. One thing Balmer is not is a Bryant Young who came in and won DROY 94. Patience is somthing that people are selective with. Vernon Davis, Alex Smith hell Manny Lawson, people have patience.

Balmer hell no. hell even Cody Wallace. was a 4th rounder and people have been calling him a big time bust lol.


When Vernon "regressed" he was still arguably the best blocking TE in the league.. Balmer has shown nothing, Not even a flash.. Goldson took the job 2 FS because he showed flashes. Stop crying about Balmer not seeing the field, because there's an obvious reason why he has'nt. For the guy who said he works hard and wonders how is he a bum.. Well RUDY worked hard too.. we know how that story went. We passed on alot of real talent with that bone headed pick and thats the truth.
also, brooks learned a new position and gets on the field because he show potential.. And Balmer? ...he makes a hell of alot more money as of right now.
[ Edited by Born_Niner on Feb 3, 2010 at 5:52 PM ]
Originally posted by rapid4:
Another WTF pick. Just like Cody Wallace.

Actually, they are both just stuck behind pretty good starters. Eric Heitman is our best OL aside from Staley. It is unfortunate that he hasn't been good enough to prompt a change to guard. But he is still young.

As for Balmer, of course he has the potential to be a good player. That is why he was drafted. Whether he realizes that potential is unknown. As another poster said, our DL is playing at a high level and Balmer has not yet developed into the quality of player that is going to beat J. Smith, Franklin, or Sopoaga for playing time. He isn't really a 3rd down kind of guy either. He is meant to be an every down player. Hopefully he gets better and is ready to go when we loose one of our starters.
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He's got the potential to set the wedge on kickoff return, that is about it.
idk about you guys but on my franchise on madden 10 this guy is a beast! he has 20 sacks
Once the niners have a guy who can consistently pressure the QB and acquire an upgrade in the secondary, the D line would mysteriously be recognized as one of the better lines in the NFC west or maybe the NFC.

Balmer will be fine in what the niners are asking him to do.
Originally posted by wadjay:
Heck No!

I mean, this team hasn't had ANY late bloomers.

For instance, take a look at Manny Lawso...

Or how about Ahmad Broo...

And everyone knew that Vernon Davis was a pro-bowler after his first ye...

And then there's Alex Smith - who had a decent year this year but not all that much better than his rookie seaso...

Or what about Dashon Golds... Parys Haralso... Chilo Racha... Isaac Sopo... Aubrayo Frankli... Those guys came onto the team and just lit the world on fire - right?


Look, let's be honest - most players don't step in and play at a high level right away. Some guys take a while to develop. It's even harder to tell if a guy is developing when he backs up some of our better players and plays a position that isn't known for racking up stats.

Will Balmer develop into a good player? Heck if I know - but neither do you. And that's about all we can say.

he had 1 touchdown pass his rookie year(18 in 2009) and you say not much better than his rookie year? instead of 4-12 we went 8-8 and looked competitive..great analysis there
[ Edited by sincalfaithful on Feb 3, 2010 at 11:03 PM ]
Originally posted by popalpo:
I've had Manny's back, Vernon's Back, Alex's Back...when people started to get on them....Balmer I have no hope for. I haven't see anything from him. I have no idea what they were thinking. Balmer seems like a complete miss.

Heck, I still have hope for Chilo.

To think we could have had Desean.

saving money. thats what we were thinking.

but it is really hard to stomach Balmer over Desean Jackson. thats JUST what this team needs too. we hold onto Balmer a few more years just because we dont want to give up hope that he might be something. we wont admit we made a mistake.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by wadjay:
Heck No!

I mean, this team hasn't had ANY late bloomers.

For instance, take a look at Manny Lawso...

Or how about Ahmad Broo...

And everyone knew that Vernon Davis was a pro-bowler after his first ye...

And then there's Alex Smith - who had a decent year this year but not all that much better than his rookie seaso...

Or what about Dashon Golds... Parys Haralso... Chilo Racha... Isaac Sopo... Aubrayo Frankli... Those guys came onto the team and just lit the world on fire - right?


Look, let's be honest - most players don't step in and play at a high level right away. Some guys take a while to develop. It's even harder to tell if a guy is developing when he backs up some of our better players and plays a position that isn't known for racking up stats.

Will Balmer develop into a good player? Heck if I know - but neither do you. And that's about all we can say.

he had 1 touchdown pass his rookie year(18 in 2009) and you say not much better than his rookie year? instead of 4-12 we went 8-8 and looked competitive..great analysis there

Did you read the rest of the post? How could you have possibly missed the fact that the first half was riddled with sarcasm?

Seriously?
I never thought Franklin would amount to much. Give it time
i do. here are my main reasons:

1. we KNEW he was super raw coming out, and would need extra time.
2. DE is one of the hardest positions to learn. it takes a while.. look at mario williams- took him a year and he was the #1 pick. look at soap, franklin. took them years to get it.
3. we have A LOT of good linemen, and only a 3-4. balmer is BURRIED in the depth chart, so its not like he gets many oppertunities.

hes one draft pick that im still holding off judgment. its like aaron rodgers in GB. he was behind favre forever. hard to really judge him. its just hard for me to judge balmer yet.. i think at some point the lights will turn on for him, and he'll be good. how good? no idea. but should be a starter. thats how i feel anyways.
Originally posted by Born_Niner:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by foreign49er:
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by ruthless49er:
Originally posted by Born_Niner:
nope,nada,naw,uh-uh,nese,na,ein,aach,nei,naaga,moh,bu shi.... hell, i can say no in about 20 more different languages! lol... i think ill stop there, u get the point. the guys a bum.

what makes a guy a bum? someone who doesnt work hard? or someone who doesnt produce?

by all accounts seems Balmer is a very hard worker. and if were going by the "doesnt produce" argument the same can be said about Brooks until the latter half of this year, or Davis until this year, or Coffee.

or..are we going by the whole "first round status" deal? hmm yet we gave Vernon a pass for three years running. Alex has defenders since the first day we drafted him.

Vernon at least showed signs that he was making a play every once in a while. You cant honestly say that Balmer has been making plays.

The reason Vernon was making plays was that we didn't have any other Tight Ends on the team so he played every down. We have an extremely talented defensive line so there really isn't any place for a 2nd year guy to get on the field in a 3-4. If we were in a 4-3 I guarantee Balmer would be playing more and most likely making plays.

DE in a 3-4 is all about technique, remember a few years ago when Franklin and Sop were struggling? Now they are solid starters. Give him a year before you pass judgment. At least wait until we get a chance to see him play regularly....

not only that but Vernon went from 52 catches to 30 somthing and noone was talking about how he regressed or even how he became a bum or anythin like that.

foreign is right about the Dline. One thing Balmer is not is a Bryant Young who came in and won DROY 94. Patience is somthing that people are selective with. Vernon Davis, Alex Smith hell Manny Lawson, people have patience.

Balmer hell no. hell even Cody Wallace. was a 4th rounder and people have been calling him a big time bust lol.


When Vernon "regressed" he was still arguably the best blocking TE in the league.. Balmer has shown nothing, Not even a flash.. Goldson took the job 2 FS because he showed flashes. Stop crying about Balmer not seeing the field, because there's an obvious reason why he has'nt. For the guy who said he works hard and wonders how is he a bum.. Well RUDY worked hard too.. we know how that story went. We passed on alot of real talent with that bone headed pick and thats the truth.
also, brooks learned a new position and gets on the field because he show potential.. And Balmer? ...he makes a hell of alot more money as of right now.

Goldson lost the job to Roman two years ago and only got the job because Roman sucked. He got on the field because the players ahead of him weren't established pro-bowl caliber players. Do you really think Goldson would be on the field if we had Darren Sharper?

We traded for Justin Smith to start every down at RE. Balmer can't play there.

We tagged Franklin. Can't play there.

The only place for him to play is where Sopoaga is. Sopoaga is a highly underrated player. If you think Balmer should be out-playing him that's your opinion. I think Balmer should be sharing time with if not starting over Sopoaga by the end of this year.

Even if Balmer plays exceptionally, he won't be "showing flashes" like Goldson and Vernon. Their positions are tailored to making big plays. That's one of their main jobs on the team. Balmer's job is to put other players in a position to succeed so if you're expecting him to burn past Tackles and get 8-9 sacks a year you're always going to be disappointed.

How many "flashes" did Franklin show this year? You haven't even seen Balmer play and you're accusing him of not making plays. It's like saying that Aaron Rodgers was a bust before he became the starter. If he was good enough he would have out-played Brett earlier. QB/DE/WR are very hard positions to have early success in due to the amount of technique (rather than pure athletic ability) required.

Brooks got on the field because we have no pure pass-rushers and he has raw athletic ability. He is fast and strong but there's a reason he's only on the field on 3rd downs. Balmer "showing flashes" will be runs to his side for no gain or 2 yards.

If we had better pass-rushers Brooks wouldn't on the field either. The players you're referring to are playing because of team needs. Balmer plays a position where we have an abundance of quality.

If Vernon had been drafted #29 to a team that already had a Pro-Bowl TE do you really think he would have had as much playing time as he has? Would his "Stone Hands" have been a problem? Would "Look like Tarzan play like Jane" be uttered more?

At #29 getting a 5-6 year starter at DE in a 3-4 is a STEAL of a pick.

It's not like it was a high first round pick. By that point in the draft you start to get into the 2nd/3rd tier of talent depending on the Draft.

But it seems as though you've got something against him for not being a Pro-Bowler by now. I think you're frustration should be aimed at Scotty McC because he's the guy who picked Balmer instead of Jackson. I bet Balmer was almost as shocked as the rest of us were when his name got called.