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Technically, Walsh can go under Al Davis. Davis was one of the pioneers of passing to the RB/FB.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Technically, Walsh can go under Al Davis. Davis was one of the pioneers of passing to the RB/FB.


Technically, Davis could go under Sid Gilman the father of the deep passing game.
Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:
Do you think Sing and his coaching staff can keep up with Whisenhunt and Carroll? I think Carroll can turn the Seahawks around, I just don't know how quickly. Whis already has the Cardinals in the playoffs. Say what you want, but whisenhunt is a good coach. I actually believe Spagnola can bring the Rams back eventually.

How is it Sing is catching up to Carrol?
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by 9er2631:
the reality is Caroll did put the Patriots in the playoffs 2 years in a row. That is a lot better than erikkson, nolan, and Sing have done for us. Carroll is an upgrade over Mora. Mora was bad. I think in a couple years the Seahawks will be much improved. It wil be interesting to see who he puts on his staff. Also Carroll was the DC for our Niners and is a SF born guy so don't hate on him too hard OK. Believe me I despise USC so I dont really like Carroll, but I do respect him.

The real question is how many years ago was that. As king of USC, he didn't have to put in the hours that it takes to do NFL coaching. He's been spoiled for 10+ years now, and I don't think that upgrades anything.

How many truly winning NCAA coaches at that level have made a big impact on the
NFL? You might find some that went from the NFL to figurehead retirement in the NCAA and did well, but you'll be hard pressed to find ones that went from the NCAA
to the NFL. Don't give me Bill Walsh because Stanford is not considered one of the peach jobs. Show me someone from Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Auburn, Florida,
Miami (right Johnson, but what about Erickson), Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan or those types of schools that went from the NCAA to the pros and made a splash,

It takes way to many hours, and most of these guys have "greatly appreciated behing the manor lords" at their incumbent Universitys to put in the work it takes
at the NFL level.

The more I think about it, the more I can't think of any. Lou Holtz anyone? Steve Spurrier? How about Bear Bryant? Darrel Royal? Woody Hayes? How about the
dean, Joe Paterno or Bobby Bowden? Come on, bring on the names?

I think Carroll is unique though in the fact he spent many years in the NFL and had some moderate success and went to USC and is now coming back. u are right we will find out if he has the fire and is ready for the extreme hours of nfl coaching. it is obviously different than just recruiting all the studs at USC and simply out talenting other teams. I do think Carroll is a bright guy. Of course I hope he falls flat on his face, but I do see Carroll as an upgrade over Mora. I also hope USC gets some sort of football death sentence for all their cheating. Couldn't happen to a nicer school.
Well the Seahawks are in rebuilding mode. Personally, I'm not going to write him off as quickly as some other people here are.

-9fA
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Technically, Walsh can go under Al Davis. Davis was one of the pioneers of passing to the RB/FB.


Technically, Davis could go under Sid Gilman the father of the deep passing game.

But Davis was the pioneers of using the RB/FB in the passing game.
Originally posted by 9er2631:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by 9er2631:
the reality is Caroll did put the Patriots in the playoffs 2 years in a row. That is a lot better than erikkson, nolan, and Sing have done for us. Carroll is an upgrade over Mora. Mora was bad. I think in a couple years the Seahawks will be much improved. It wil be interesting to see who he puts on his staff. Also Carroll was the DC for our Niners and is a SF born guy so don't hate on him too hard OK. Believe me I despise USC so I dont really like Carroll, but I do respect him.

The real question is how many years ago was that. As king of USC, he didn't have to put in the hours that it takes to do NFL coaching. He's been spoiled for 10+ years now, and I don't think that upgrades anything.

How many truly winning NCAA coaches at that level have made a big impact on the
NFL? You might find some that went from the NFL to figurehead retirement in the NCAA and did well, but you'll be hard pressed to find ones that went from the NCAA
to the NFL. Don't give me Bill Walsh because Stanford is not considered one of the peach jobs. Show me someone from Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Auburn, Florida,
Miami (right Johnson, but what about Erickson), Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan or those types of schools that went from the NCAA to the pros and made a splash,

It takes way to many hours, and most of these guys have "greatly appreciated behing the manor lords" at their incumbent Universitys to put in the work it takes
at the NFL level.

The more I think about it, the more I can't think of any. Lou Holtz anyone? Steve Spurrier? How about Bear Bryant? Darrel Royal? Woody Hayes? How about the
dean, Joe Paterno or Bobby Bowden? Come on, bring on the names?

I think Carroll is unique though in the fact he spent many years in the NFL and had some moderate success and went to USC and is now coming back. u are right we will find out if he has the fire and is ready for the extreme hours of nfl coaching. it is obviously different than just recruiting all the studs at USC and simply out talenting other teams. I do think Carroll is a bright guy. Of course I hope he falls flat on his face, but I do see Carroll as an upgrade over Mora. I also hope USC gets some sort of football death sentence for all their cheating. Couldn't happen to a nicer school.

I see nothing unique about him. He looks tanned and rested. I think after being the Kind of LA for 10 years, he's used to having others put in the long hours, while he does what he likes to do, recruit and get in front of the camera.

This is not a knock on him. Some of the best coaching jobs are those perennial college powerhouse jobs. You've got the best assistant coaches beating down your door for a job, so you just have to hire them, sit back and enjoy.
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by PTulini:
What if Pete Carroll brings Ken Norton Jr. with him to Seattle? Ken is/was Carroll's Assistant HC of Defense/LBs.

This answers my own question...

Source: Carroll to Bring Bates, Norton with him (ESPN)

Ken Norton a seab****? I'm gonna vomit then cry

Yeah I already said this in a different thread. What the f**k is up with b*****d rivals always stealing our former coaches/players. Seahags take Norton, Fudgepackers took Holmgren, Beagles took the WCO, Donkeys took Shanahan, now the Redskins took Shanahan, Tards taking Billy Davis, Fudgepackers taking McCarthy, Seahags take Holmgren, Seahags take JP, etc. Everywhere I look it seems like someone is stealing from us or our past. f**k the rest of the NFL, get your own stuff!

consider it flattery. we produce quality product.

its no secret that the Bill Walsh coaching tree, and WCO system revolutionized the entire NFL. think of how many of the greatest coaches of this era came from Walsh's tree. the majority. Walsh's coaching tree members:

Mike Holmgren **
Jim Fassel
George Seifert **
Dennis Green **
Sam Wyche **
Paul Hackett **
Steve Mariucci
Andy Reid
Mike Sherman
Ray Rhodes **
John Fox
Mike McCarthy
Jon Gruden
Bill Callahan
Mike Mularky
Bruce Coslet
Mike Shanahan
Jeff Fisher
Gary Kubiak
Brian Billick
Mike Tice
Jack Del Rio
Scott Linehan
Tony Dungy
Lovie Smith
Mike Tomlin
Rod Marinelli

I cont about 5 or 6 on that list that I would call direct Walsh coaching alumi. Kubiak learned from Shanahan as an example, and SHanahan was already an
established coach when he took the 49er OC position. In fact, he wouldn't have
had anything to do with Walsh or a direct descendant of the tree if it weren't for
King Al and his stupidity.

I put asterisk next to those that I believe Walsh had a major impact on. The others, maybe some impact but his disciples had more to do with them.

I mean come on, Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy got his start as a DB under Knoll.
I think that has much more to do with Knoll than Walsh.

Lovie Smith, Rod Marinelli, Jack Del Rio, I mean come on.

Yeah that post was just a coaching spew. Fisher never ran a team with the WCO. He was a defensive guy. Fassel and Fox? Uh no.
Carrol has his work cut out for him. We are in a bit of a better position than him. Not so much because of our offense but because of our defense.
Seattle effed up.

They should've grabbed Harbaugh, glad they didn't though. Idiots.




Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by PTulini:
What if Pete Carroll brings Ken Norton Jr. with him to Seattle? Ken is/was Carroll's Assistant HC of Defense/LBs.

This answers my own question...

Source: Carroll to Bring Bates, Norton with him (ESPN)

Ken Norton a seab****? I'm gonna vomit then cry

Yeah I already said this in a different thread. What the f**k is up with b*****d rivals always stealing our former coaches/players. Seahags take Norton, Fudgepackers took Holmgren, Beagles took the WCO, Donkeys took Shanahan, now the Redskins took Shanahan, Tards taking Billy Davis, Fudgepackers taking McCarthy, Seahags take Holmgren, Seahags take JP, etc. Everywhere I look it seems like someone is stealing from us or our past. f**k the rest of the NFL, get your own stuff!

consider it flattery. we produce quality product.

its no secret that the Bill Walsh coaching tree, and WCO system revolutionized the entire NFL. think of how many of the greatest coaches of this era came from Walsh's tree. the majority. Walsh's coaching tree members:

Mike Holmgren
Jim Fassel
George Seifert
Dennis Green
Sam Wyche
Paul Hackett
Steve Mariucci
Andy Reid
Mike Sherman
Ray Rhodes
John Fox
Mike McCarthy
Jon Gruden
Bill Callahan
Mike Mularky
Bruce Coslet
Mike Shanahan
Jeff Fisher
Gary Kubiak
Brian Billick
Mike Tice
Jack Del Rio
Scott Linehan
Tony Dungy
Lovie Smith
Mike Tomlin
Rod Marinelli

Yet another reason to name the NFL Coach of the Year the "Bill Walsh" award.
9 Super Bowl titles in that list. The NFL says Thank You Bill.
Originally posted by 9er2631:
the reality is Caroll did put the Patriots in the playoffs 2 years in a row. That is a lot better than erikkson, nolan, and Sing have done for us. Carroll is an upgrade over Mora. Mora was bad. I think in a couple years the Seahawks will be much improved. It wil be interesting to see who he puts on his staff. Also Carroll was the DC for our Niners and is a SF born guy so don't hate on him too hard OK. Believe me I despise USC so I dont really like Carroll, but I do respect him.

Mora was bad?

Really?

I don't think so. He had his guys fired up to play.

The problem is that Willis took Hasselback out and with the extended play that Wallace had seen the years prior he wasn't as big a question mark as he was then. You knew if Hass was out you have to expect QB options more. They were solid running screen Passes as well.

The problem was they were just injured throughout most of the season.

Then on top of that they fired their GM. Effectively throwing in the towel on the season. But Mora had his guys fired up game in and game out.

Allen knew he was going after Carroll and it effectively made Mora a lame duck Head Coach.

Yeah they beat us because the Refs need seeing eye dogs to find the field, but Shattle wasn't exactly laying down for us either. Mora did everything a HC without a say in personnel can do.

So we can dispense with the Mora sucks references can we not?

~Ceadder
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Originally posted by 9er2631:
the reality is Caroll did put the Patriots in the playoffs 2 years in a row. That is a lot better than erikkson, nolan, and Sing have done for us. Carroll is an upgrade over Mora. Mora was bad. I think in a couple years the Seahawks will be much improved. It wil be interesting to see who he puts on his staff. Also Carroll was the DC for our Niners and is a SF born guy so don't hate on him too hard OK. Believe me I despise USC so I dont really like Carroll, but I do respect him.

Fully agreed.
Originally posted by 9er2631:
the reality is Caroll did put the Patriots in the playoffs 2 years in a row. That is a lot better than erikkson, nolan, and Sing have done for us. Carroll is an upgrade over Mora. Mora was bad. I think in a couple years the Seahawks will be much improved. It wil be interesting to see who he puts on his staff. Also Carroll was the DC for our Niners and is a SF born guy so don't hate on him too hard OK. Believe me I despise USC so I dont really like Carroll, but I do respect him.

I honestly dont have any respect for seattle...they get a new stadium and all of a sudden they have their "precious 12th man" ...their fans are a joke, the only thing they brag about is their 3 division titles and lone nfc championship. seattle sucks so bad they couldn't keep an NBA team..even Portland has a team..

All I have to say is bring it Carroll!
Remember who owns Hasselb****..Its Mr. Patrick Willis
what ifs, QB scenarios...

what if PC tries to pick Leinart from the Tards. what if Warner retires. what if Hasselbeck ends up with the Tards. and worse, what if Hasselbeck ends up with us, and Alex gets shipped off to AZ.