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Man, what a talent we have on our hands here...

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Have you Alex bashers forgotten how many passes he had on the money (a number for sure TD's) that were dropped...by Crabtree, Vernon, Morgan? It takes two to complete passes...the thrower and the receiver. There's room for improvement all around.

This is the best post in this thread. Something realistic and constructive. Makes a lot of sense.

It's the best post in the thread if you're looking to take some of the blame away from Alex Smith and spread it around.


VD drops balls because his hands aren't very good, but a lot of Crabtree's "drops" were due to the ball being placed in a bad spot. Watch the plays again. There weren't a whole lot of drops on easy TD catches like the post suggests. Crabtree dropped a few that he had no business dropping, but the frequency of that occurring is far lower than the frequency of Smith's passes being placed in a poor spot.

That's the way it should be, no? Because anything that goes wrong with the team, it's Smith's fault.

When Smith does ANYTHING right, It's "Smith would be nothing without Davis."

-9fA

I do agree the blame should be spread for the overall problems of the offense, but I'm talking specifically about the inaccuracy of Alex Smith's passes intended for Michael Crabtree. With that as the subject at hand, nobody is to blame except Alex Smith. It is ridiculous to blame Michael Crabtree not participating in training camp (as the guy in this thread tried to do) for the inaccuracy and lack of timing in Alex Smith's passes to him when they have had 3 months of practice together and the inaccuracy still shows in the final weeks of the season. That's what I'm talking about, and there is nobody to share the blame in those regards.

crabs had 1 less reception and 1 less TD than jerry rice did in his rookie year and didn't start till mid-way through the season

i'm not stupid enough call him the next jerry rice but that's a nice stat to see

what the hell is all this alex smith bashing about again?

i guess montana should have been benched for not getting rice the ball more in his rookie season...


Try READING before responding. Nobody said anything about Smith not getting Crabtree the ball enough, the debate is about the placement of Alex Smith's passes when he threw to Crabtree. I know my family, buddies and I are not the only ones that noticed how inaccurate his passes to Crabtree were. Crabtree constantly had to make adjustments just to touch the football.

And to whomever brought up Manning's ball placement.. Obviously he, like any QB, is going to throw inaccurately at times, but you can't try to tell me that the majority of his passes to any particular receiver were placed in bad spots. I can understand it happening a few times, but it seemed like 85% of Alex's passes to Crabtree were placed in spots that forced Crabtree to leave his feet in order to make the catch - or to even touch the football (I'm exaggerating on the percentage, obviously, but it seemed that way to me while watching the games).

There is no Smith-bashing going on here. What's happening is I am discussing something that happens to be Alex Smith's fault, but another poster attempted to place the blame on Michael Crabtree instead. Frank Gore is my favorite player and I am probably his biggest supporter on these boards, but he fumbles too often and at crucial times. Having said that, by your standards, I am now "bashing" Frank Gore.

It's funny that anytime someone says anything negative about Alex Smith, it's "Smith bashing." I guess being realistic is out of the question unless you want to be labeled a Smith hater. What a joke.

And LOL @ the little smilie sipping coffee and going about it's business as if to signify your effortless dominance in this debate.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Jan 11, 2010 at 21:02:27 ]
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
NOT EVERY THROW IS GOING TO BE PERFECT, NOT EVEN FROM THE BEST QBs.

Agreed, but you seem to be missing the entire point of the debate we are having. We're not talking about a few poor throws, we're talking about a LOT of bad throws to a particular receiver. Everyone knows that every QB is going to have bad passes, but no good QB consistently places the ball in a poor spot when throwing to their most-targeted WR, and if they did, it would be the QB's fault. Alex is no different. He seemed to get the ball in a decent spot on the majority of his throws to VD, but that's just not the case when it came to Crabtree this season. I am simply stating that it's Alex's fault for the lack of timing with Michael Crabtree despite the latter having missed TC and a month of practice during the season because it still showed up during the final weeks of the season - after having 3 months to practice with his receiver.

I am not bashing Alex Smith. What I am saying is the lack of timing is on his shoulders, not Michael Crabtree's. It is possible to fault a player without "bashing" him.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Jan 11, 2010 at 21:03:41 ]
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Nametaken49:
yeah hes a stud what i love about that clip is how many times he has to stop or turn around and come back to the ball lol damn alex if he didnt have to slow down or stop for every catch he might have had a few more TD's

And if he had gotten his ass into camp on time his timing with the QB's might be better.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Nametaken49:
yeah hes a stud what i love about that clip is how many times he has to stop or turn around and come back to the ball lol damn alex if he didnt have to slow down or stop for every catch he might have had a few more TD's

And if he had gotten his ass into camp on time his timing with the QB's might be better.

NICE
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
NOT EVERY THROW IS GOING TO BE PERFECT, NOT EVEN FROM THE BEST QBs.

Agreed, but you seem to be missing the entire point of the debate we are having. We're not talking about a few poor throws, we're talking about a LOT of bad throws to a particular receiver. Everyone knows that every QB is going to have bad passes, but no good QB consistently places the ball in a poor spot when throwing to their most-targeted WR, and if they did, it would be the QB's fault. Alex is no different. He seemed to get the ball in a decent spot on the majority of his throws to VD, but that's just not the case when it came to Crabtree this season. I am simply stating that it's Alex's fault for the lack of timing with Michael Crabtree despite the latter having missed TC and a month of practice during the season because it still showed up during the final weeks of the season - after having 3 months to practice with his receiver.

I am not bashing Alex Smith. What I am saying is the lack of timing is on his shoulders, not Michael Crabtree's. It is possible to fault a player without "bashing" him.

Good post.
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
What a waste of his talent level. How many times does he have to slow down his route or come back to make a play ? If we keep Alex at QB, Crabs will bail ship as soon as he gets a chance....

Go spam your "Alex Smith sucks" rants in another thread.

-9fA

Can't say they don't correlate and that there isn't a bit of truth in there though. Some of us cannnot overlook the fact that the QB is still holding the team back and the perforance of the Wideouts. You know we haven't had a 1,000 receiver in so long. But lets blame that on the o-line too, right.

If Crabs didnt hold out he would have had 1000! Next year we will have 2! Crabs and VD...
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Have you Alex bashers forgotten how many passes he had on the money (a number for sure TD's) that were dropped...by Crabtree, Vernon, Morgan? It takes two to complete passes...the thrower and the receiver. There's room for improvement all around.

This is the best post in this thread. Something realistic and constructive. Makes a lot of sense.

It's the best post in the thread if you're looking to take some of the blame away from Alex Smith and spread it around.


VD drops balls because his hands aren't very good, but a lot of Crabtree's "drops" were due to the ball being placed in a bad spot. Watch the plays again. There weren't a whole lot of drops on easy TD catches like the post suggests. Crabtree dropped a few that he had no business dropping, but the frequency of that occurring is far lower than the frequency of Smith's passes being placed in a poor spot.

That's the way it should be, no? Because anything that goes wrong with the team, it's Smith's fault.

When Smith does ANYTHING right, It's "Smith would be nothing without Davis."

-9fA

I do agree the blame should be spread for the overall problems of the offense, but I'm talking specifically about the inaccuracy of Alex Smith's passes intended for Michael Crabtree. With that as the subject at hand, nobody is to blame except Alex Smith. It is ridiculous to blame Michael Crabtree not participating in training camp (as the guy in this thread tried to do) for the inaccuracy and lack of timing in Alex Smith's passes to him when they have had 3 months of practice together and the inaccuracy still shows in the final weeks of the season. That's what I'm talking about, and there is nobody to share the blame in those regards.

crabs had 1 less reception and 1 less TD than jerry rice did in his rookie year and didn't start till mid-way through the season

i'm not stupid enough call him the next jerry rice but that's a nice stat to see

what the hell is all this alex smith bashing about again?

i guess montana should have been benched for not getting rice the ball more in his rookie season...


Try READING before responding. Nobody said anything about Smith not getting Crabtree the ball enough, the debate is about the placement of Alex Smith's passes when he threw to Crabtree. I know my family, buddies and I are not the only ones that noticed how inaccurate his passes to Crabtree were. Crabtree constantly had to make adjustments just to touch the football.

And to whomever brought up Manning's ball placement.. Obviously he, like any QB, is going to throw inaccurately at times, but you can't try to tell me that the majority of his passes to any particular receiver were placed in bad spots. I can understand it happening a few times, but it seemed like 85% of Alex's passes to Crabtree were placed in spots that forced Crabtree to leave his feet in order to make the catch - or to even touch the football (I'm exaggerating on the percentage, obviously, but it seemed that way to me while watching the games).

There is no Smith-bashing going on here. What's happening is I am discussing something that happens to be Alex Smith's fault, but another poster attempted to place the blame on Michael Crabtree instead. Frank Gore is my favorite player and I am probably his biggest supporter on these boards, but he fumbles too often and at crucial times. Having said that, by your standards, I am now "bashing" Frank Gore.

It's funny that anytime someone says anything negative about Alex Smith, it's "Smith bashing." I guess being realistic is out of the question unless you want to be labeled a Smith hater. What a joke.

And LOL @ the little smilie sipping coffee and going about it's business as if to signify your effortless dominance in this debate.

First of all the thread is about Crabtree's talent not Alex Smiths arm. I'm not trying to win an argument I'm just amazed people still turn every thread into Alex Smith this Alex Smith that and not apprieciate that we finally have a receiver that may be a franchise player.

Second of all

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Have you Alex bashers forgotten how many passes he had on the money (a number for sure TD's) that were dropped...by Crabtree, Vernon, Morgan? It takes two to complete passes...the thrower and the receiver. There's room for improvement all around.

This is the best post in this thread. Something realistic and constructive. Makes a lot of sense.

It's the best post in the thread if you're looking to take some of the blame away from Alex Smith and spread it around.


VD drops balls because his hands aren't very good, but a lot of Crabtree's "drops" were due to the ball being placed in a bad spot. Watch the plays again. There weren't a whole lot of drops on easy TD catches like the post suggests. Crabtree dropped a few that he had no business dropping, but the frequency of that occurring is far lower than the frequency of Smith's passes being placed in a poor spot.

That's the way it should be, no? Because anything that goes wrong with the team, it's Smith's fault.

When Smith does ANYTHING right, It's "Smith would be nothing without Davis."

-9fA

I do agree the blame should be spread for the overall problems of the offense, but I'm talking specifically about the inaccuracy of Alex Smith's passes intended for Michael Crabtree. With that as the subject at hand, nobody is to blame except Alex Smith. It is ridiculous to blame Michael Crabtree not participating in training camp (as the guy in this thread tried to do) for the inaccuracy and lack of timing in Alex Smith's passes to him when they have had 3 months of practice together and the inaccuracy still shows in the final weeks of the season. That's what I'm talking about, and there is nobody to share the blame in those regards.

crabs had 1 less reception and 1 less TD than jerry rice did in his rookie year and didn't start till mid-way through the season

i'm not stupid enough call him the next jerry rice but that's a nice stat to see

what the hell is all this alex smith bashing about again?

i guess montana should have been benched for not getting rice the ball more in his rookie season...


Try READING before responding. Nobody said anything about Smith not getting Crabtree the ball enough, the debate is about the placement of Alex Smith's passes when he threw to Crabtree. I know my family, buddies and I are not the only ones that noticed how inaccurate his passes to Crabtree were. Crabtree constantly had to make adjustments just to touch the football.

And to whomever brought up Manning's ball placement.. Obviously he, like any QB, is going to throw inaccurately at times, but you can't try to tell me that the majority of his passes to any particular receiver were placed in bad spots. I can understand it happening a few times, but it seemed like 85% of Alex's passes to Crabtree were placed in spots that forced Crabtree to leave his feet in order to make the catch - or to even touch the football (I'm exaggerating on the percentage, obviously, but it seemed that way to me while watching the games).

There is no Smith-bashing going on here. What's happening is I am discussing something that happens to be Alex Smith's fault, but another poster attempted to place the blame on Michael Crabtree instead. Frank Gore is my favorite player and I am probably his biggest supporter on these boards, but he fumbles too often and at crucial times. Having said that, by your standards, I am now "bashing" Frank Gore.

It's funny that anytime someone says anything negative about Alex Smith, it's "Smith bashing." I guess being realistic is out of the question unless you want to be labeled a Smith hater. What a joke.

And LOL @ the little smilie sipping coffee and going about it's business as if to signify your effortless dominance in this debate.

First of all the thread is about Crabtree's talent not Alex Smiths arm. I'm not trying to win an argument I'm just amazed people still turn every thread into Alex Smith this Alex Smith that and not apprieciate that we finally have a receiver that may be a franchise player.

Second of all


Well maybe b/c a WR and his QB are intricately connected in this sport.
Not the fastest guy, but he is just so fluid and smooth. And those hands are one of the best in the league....all ready! If the jets had crabs...they would have had that TD that Braylon dropped!!!!
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Have you Alex bashers forgotten how many passes he had on the money (a number for sure TD's) that were dropped...by Crabtree, Vernon, Morgan? It takes two to complete passes...the thrower and the receiver. There's room for improvement all around.

This is the best post in this thread. Something realistic and constructive. Makes a lot of sense.

It's the best post in the thread if you're looking to take some of the blame away from Alex Smith and spread it around.


VD drops balls because his hands aren't very good, but a lot of Crabtree's "drops" were due to the ball being placed in a bad spot. Watch the plays again. There weren't a whole lot of drops on easy TD catches like the post suggests. Crabtree dropped a few that he had no business dropping, but the frequency of that occurring is far lower than the frequency of Smith's passes being placed in a poor spot.

That's the way it should be, no? Because anything that goes wrong with the team, it's Smith's fault.

When Smith does ANYTHING right, It's "Smith would be nothing without Davis."

-9fA

I do agree the blame should be spread for the overall problems of the offense, but I'm talking specifically about the inaccuracy of Alex Smith's passes intended for Michael Crabtree. With that as the subject at hand, nobody is to blame except Alex Smith. It is ridiculous to blame Michael Crabtree not participating in training camp (as the guy in this thread tried to do) for the inaccuracy and lack of timing in Alex Smith's passes to him when they have had 3 months of practice together and the inaccuracy still shows in the final weeks of the season. That's what I'm talking about, and there is nobody to share the blame in those regards.

crabs had 1 less reception and 1 less TD than jerry rice did in his rookie year and didn't start till mid-way through the season

i'm not stupid enough call him the next jerry rice but that's a nice stat to see

what the hell is all this alex smith bashing about again?

i guess montana should have been benched for not getting rice the ball more in his rookie season...


Try READING before responding. Nobody said anything about Smith not getting Crabtree the ball enough, the debate is about the placement of Alex Smith's passes when he threw to Crabtree. I know my family, buddies and I are not the only ones that noticed how inaccurate his passes to Crabtree were. Crabtree constantly had to make adjustments just to touch the football.

And to whomever brought up Manning's ball placement.. Obviously he, like any QB, is going to throw inaccurately at times, but you can't try to tell me that the majority of his passes to any particular receiver were placed in bad spots. I can understand it happening a few times, but it seemed like 85% of Alex's passes to Crabtree were placed in spots that forced Crabtree to leave his feet in order to make the catch - or to even touch the football (I'm exaggerating on the percentage, obviously, but it seemed that way to me while watching the games).

There is no Smith-bashing going on here. What's happening is I am discussing something that happens to be Alex Smith's fault, but another poster attempted to place the blame on Michael Crabtree instead. Frank Gore is my favorite player and I am probably his biggest supporter on these boards, but he fumbles too often and at crucial times. Having said that, by your standards, I am now "bashing" Frank Gore.

It's funny that anytime someone says anything negative about Alex Smith, it's "Smith bashing." I guess being realistic is out of the question unless you want to be labeled a Smith hater. What a joke.

And LOL @ the little smilie sipping coffee and going about it's business as if to signify your effortless dominance in this debate.

First of all the thread is about Crabtree's talent not Alex Smiths arm. I'm not trying to win an argument I'm just amazed people still turn every thread into Alex Smith this Alex Smith that and not apprieciate that we finally have a receiver that may be a franchise player.

Second of all


Well maybe b/c a WR and his QB are intricately connected in this sport.

Wow really? Interesting.
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
What a waste of his talent level. How many times does he have to slow down his route or come back to make a play ? If we keep Alex at QB, Crabs will bail ship as soon as he gets a chance....

I agree, Crabs and all the receivers always have to adjust to Smith's weak ass throws. He has the potential to be the best in the NFL. He needs a better QB

Was this a bash Smith thread??


Can't say the two don't correlate

Why don't the both of you punks go suck a big one, Alex Smith has had absolutely no stability to learn under. Not to mention butting heads with his head coach and a busted shoulder for two years to boot.

Now if Bradford is still available at 13 I say take him, but Alex looked good and showed a lot of arm strength in the second half of 2009. If we can acquire one a top shelf OL (preferably guard) with #13 & a very good DL at #16 we'll be looking good. Not to mention free agency Def players hitting the market this year (Peppers, A.Thomas,Briggs). I say keep Alex, draft players/positions that contribute during there rookie year and we'll be a top 6-8 team next year.

If we go looking to trade up to draft one of the top two Qb's it'll just set us back another 2-4 years before we get to the playoffs. Also, good free agent Qb's are too expensive and hard to come by (once a decade), and Drew Brees already leads the Saints!
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Nametaken49:
yeah hes a stud what i love about that clip is how many times he has to stop or turn around and come back to the ball lol damn alex if he didnt have to slow down or stop for every catch he might have had a few more TD's

And if he had gotten his ass into camp on time his timing with the QB's might be better.

Originally posted by jgorich:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
What a waste of his talent level. How many times does he have to slow down his route or come back to make a play ? If we keep Alex at QB, Crabs will bail ship as soon as he gets a chance....

I agree, Crabs and all the receivers always have to adjust to Smith's weak ass throws. He has the potential to be the best in the NFL. He needs a better QB

Was this a bash Smith thread??


Can't say the two don't correlate

Why don't the both of you punks go suck a big one, Alex Smith has had absolutely no stability to learn under. Not to mention butting heads with his head coach and a busted shoulder for two years to boot.

Now if Bradford is still available at 13 I say take him, but Alex looked good and showed a lot of arm strength in the second half of 2009. If we can acquire one a top shelf OL (preferably guard) with #13 & a very good DL at #16 we'll be looking good. Not to mention free agency Def players hitting the market this year (Peppers, A.Thomas,Briggs). I say keep Alex, draft players/positions that contribute during there rookie year and we'll be a top 6-8 team next year.

If we go looking to trade up to draft one of the top two Qb's it'll just set us back another 2-4 years before we get to the playoffs. Also, good free agent Qb's are too expensive and hard to come by (once a decade), and Drew Brees already leads the Saints!

First of all your choice of words for your first post are inappropriate. Second, which is more expensive a quality free agent or other QB or being a perennial loser? I think being a loser cost much more in the long run.

Third...ALex's Smith's shortcomings are his own. He is a man and to be a QB in the NFL it takes more of a man than Smith has shown to be. He isn't even a quality leader. Peace.
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
What a waste of his talent level. How many times does he have to slow down his route or come back to make a play ? If we keep Alex at QB, Crabs will bail ship as soon as he gets a chance....

Go spam your "Alex Smith sucks" rants in another thread.

-9fA

Can't say they don't correlate and that there isn't a bit of truth in there though. Some of us cannnot overlook the fact that the QB is still holding the team back and the perforance of the Wideouts. You know we haven't had a 1,000 receiver in so long. But lets blame that on the o-line too, right.

Or mebber the WRs' have been holding back the QBs'?

Isn't it funny how when the Receivers don't do well it's the QB?

If I compiled all the crap routes run and all the balls dropped over the last 7 seasons you would cry so hard Africa would be a lush farmland.

Sullivan has GOT to go. I'm sick and tired of him ruining this team. Receivers haven't been coming back to the ball in a long time. So much so that people think it's always the QB. No separation on the part of the WR? QB1's fault.

Ball hits em in the hands and they drop it? QB1

Ball hits em on the numbers? QB1

It goes wide? QB1

Short? QB1

Long? QB1

It's NEVER the fault of the Receiver.

Before T.O. was traded it was Garcia's fault.

Now we're back at this junction again. Only different Receivers and different QBs'.

I'm not saying that none of this is on Alex.

But c'mon the Receivers have NOT been making the most of the ones that hit em right in the mitts have not been getting separation have not been going back to give him an open target when under pressure have not been hitching their step to invite contact and a flag for interference have not, have not, have not.

Davis scored the bulk of his TDs' this season on Seam Routes. A bunch of them in traffic. He had the TE waggle in the End Zone early in the season but for the most part he got some well thrown passes from Alex that he was able to take to the house.

So spare me the garbage that it's all Smith. It's a team clustertruck. No more no less.

I see two coaches that should be on the UE line but ain't. That's Foerster and Sullivan. Neither unit has played up to their potential in years and the only reason that the WR unit has this season is because Alex stayed behind on the Bye week to get Tree up to speed. There's alot to be said for the chemistry between QB1 and his Receivers.

Anyone besides me remember that Rice and Young worked on THEIR chemistry during their first offseason? I remember that our WRs' were having a hard time adjusting to a Leftie thrown pass. Balls were getting dropped then too. But they worked on the issues and everyone was better for it.

I only stick up for Smith cause some around here have decided that it's all the QB and that soon as we plug a "better" one in we will magically turn our fortunes around.

~Ceadder