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Are the 49ers essentially the Vikings, pre-Favre?

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by kem99:
It occurred to me this morning as to whether the 49ers are essentially the Vikings pre-Favre at this point.

1. The defense is pretty good and seems to be getting better, 4th in points allowed, top 7 against the rush, improving pass rush, should get better with Brooks and Clements (probably) playing the entire year.

2. Gore is the 49ers answer to Peterson. He's not as good as AD at this point but he's a pretty good complete back.

3. The 49er receivers, including Davis, are probably better than the Viking receivers were at this point last year.

4. Vikings have the better OL but even they struggled at times this year running the ball and protecting Favre. The 49er OL got better as the year went along and hopefully gets better with some help in FA and/or the draft.

5. The Vikings has Tavares Jackson at QB who had struggled, had some bright moments, etc. He was probably approaching a do or die season right up until Favre signed.

6. The Vikings drafted Harvin, which helped their return game immensely (remember the game against the 49ers).

Not likely a Favre-type option becomes an option but if such an option did present itself, the 49ers might be that close if they can address the return game and the OL in the draft/FA.

A QB makes an offense, not the OL. If Alex is going to morph into Favre, then who knows.

MIN had terrible pass protection last year ranked 26th in the league allowing 43 sacks with basically no new additions in their OL. They have a rookie RT this year and this year, they are ranked 15 in allowing 34 sacks.

A QB makes a huge difference. Our problem is that can Alex get the ball out faster and make quicker reads because the 49ers are ranked 22nd in sacks allowed which is better than the Vikings last year.

Actually Alex took fewer sacks per pass attempt than Favre. Favre took one sack for every 15.6 pass attempts (34/531). Alex took one sack for every 16.9 pass attempts (22/372). It was Hill or the line play during Hill's time behind center that really hurt the Niners' sack total. Hill took one sack for every 8.6 pass attempts (18/155).
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
No, there WRs were and are still better than ours. Shancoe, or whatever his name is was a good TE. They had AP and Chester Taylor who significantly trump our RBs.
There O-line is/was much better than ours.

There defensive front seven before EJ went down was as good as ours. We probably have better safeties.

What they have that we don't have is speed. Of course they added Harvin but Rice and Berrian seem to be faster than ours (IMO) but that's not saying a whole lot.

Speed kills, and we don't have it on offense.

In a nutshell, if we are a C-, the pre-Favre Vikings would have been at least a B.

Oh, and I just can't believe what you said about our O-line.

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by swim4speed:
Uhhhh, NO!

Just off the top of my head, the Niners don't have good play calling, don't have an great edge pass rusher, and don't have a Top 2 running back.

That was the reason why Childress got Favre. The play calling sucked with mediocre QBs.

vikings offensive play calling still sucks. favre audibles out of a lot of the bulls**t.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by susweel:
Maybe we can bring Steve Young out of retirement.

I was thinking we could bring some of our old Pro-Bowl linemen out of retirement. What is Harris Barton doing these days?

larry allen?
Originally posted by momoney925:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by susweel:
Maybe we can bring Steve Young out of retirement.

I was thinking we could bring some of our old Pro-Bowl linemen out of retirement. What is Harris Barton doing these days?

larry allen?

steve wallace?

bubba parris?

bart oates?

jessie sapolu?

randy cross?
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yeah more or less except sydney rice is light years better than any niner reciever. but we got davis!
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Originally posted by Mike8016:
No. Minnesota actually had a good line

yeah this too.
Originally posted by swim4speed:
Uhhhh, NO!

Just off the top of my head, the Niners don't have good play calling, don't have an great edge pass rusher, and don't have a Top 2 running back.

No but we do have
A DPOY canidate and top 2 MLB, Top 10 RB, Top 3 rookie and #1 TE
actually better on all levels except 1 OL......DL, lb's secondary, te, qb wr's with crabtree (remember rice is good because of favre and crabs is good because HE is good.) QB and as far as running backs go... Gore is an all around better RB especially this year, with 3 more games played he would of course STILL HAVE A BETTER AVG, a few less td's on the ground, but less fumbles and more big plays. Gore was a better rb this year but petersen is a better runner LAST YEAR
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