Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
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Dec 31, 2009 at 8:50 AM
- Legbreaker
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Dec 31, 2009 at 8:56 AM
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Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
Good post.
There are no more excuses for him next season, he'll have a full off season and practice enough with his WR's...I'm sure we'll get at least ONE linemen in the off season, that alone would help tremendously
Let's hope he's the one.
[ Edited by BirdmanJr on Dec 31, 2009 at 8:57 AM ]
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:10 AM
- taney71
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Originally posted by BirdmanJr:Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
Good post.
There are no more excuses for him next season, he'll have a full off season and practice enough with his WR's...I'm sure we'll get at least ONE linemen in the off season, that alone would help tremendously
Let's hope he's the one.
Bump.
Plus Smith is going to have an offseason without being injuried in what...three years? Also, this is Smith's FIRST offseason with the SAME OC and offensive system.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:12 AM
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Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
-9fA
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:15 AM
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The fact is inspite of 6 turnovers the 49ers didn't score a point as a direct result of those turnovers. Alex Smith played better than average but he had a lot tipped balls and that's because he doesn't know how to find a throwing lane and sometimes it's just a good play by the other team. My point is that Smith is not a good quarterback and he has not earned the right to be the unqualified starter. Look at how well Flacco performs in his 2nd year and look at Alex Smith. Smith still has the same bad habits that have nothing to do with an offensive system. Flacco is clearly better but Alex Smith is the subject of a post that says doubts still exist. The 49ers are wasting time with Smith.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:20 AM
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Originally posted by Archie:
The fact is inspite of 6 turnovers the 49ers didn't score a point as a direct result of those turnovers. Alex Smith played better than average but he had a lot tipped balls and that's because he doesn't know how to find a throwing lane and sometimes it's just a good play by the other team. My point is that Smith is not a good quarterback and he has not earned the right to be the unqualified starter. Look at how well Flacco performs in his 2nd year and look at Alex Smith. Smith still has the same bad habits that have nothing to do with an offensive system. Flacco is clearly better but Alex Smith is the subject of a post that says doubts still exist. The 49ers are wasting time with Smith.
That's BS. Alex Smith hasn't had a problem with tipped balls throughout his career. To say one game indicates a problem with a player is just silly. I think more of it has to do with the offensive line. We had one tackle out there who is coming off an injury and another one who is clearly a back up. A guard who sucks in Rachel (I think his problem is coaching) and another one (Baas) who has never proven he is an NFL quality starter.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM
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Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
That's not a great QB rating. It needs to be 90+. Also the completion percentage needs to at 65% or more.
There will always be doubt about Alex Smith until he proves otherwise.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:25 AM
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BTW nobody hates Alex Smith (other than Mike Nolan) he's just not the answer at QB for a championship run. I'm tired of Niner fans selling themselves short asking for a QB to just get us to the playoffs. Whatever happened to Super Bowl aspirations?
I want our 6th ring..and begging for Alex Smith to play good will not get us anywhere near that accomplishment.
I want our 6th ring..and begging for Alex Smith to play good will not get us anywhere near that accomplishment.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:27 AM
- taney71
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Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
That's not a great QB rating. It needs to be 90+. Also the completion percentage needs to at 65% or more.
There will always be doubt about Alex Smith until he proves otherwise.
No it isn't great but if you place his stats in context and see his numbers have improved each year he is healthy then you'll know there is sign of hope.
I don't get it why Smith haters don't focus on other more needed areas of help for this team. Looks at OLB. Haralson is slow and needs to be replaced. I hope Brooks starts over him. But then you have Lawson who can't pass rush worth crap. In a 3-4 the OLBs are the guys who should be getting the most sacks. Also, what about Clements. He's slow and overpaid for the CB position. Moving him to safety at his salary is silly. What do we do? Also, do we let Lewis start again next year? The guy is slow and not getting any younger. What about offensive line? It is the weakest part of this team but instead we have 20 threads on Alex Smith.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:29 AM
- HaiGuise
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Mi sure am Alex Smith existence. I si heem on de tibi. I kno hee reel. He be sucki doe.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM
- 9er2631
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Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Okay guys, here's the truth.
Alex Smith had a score himself with an easy bootleg touchdown run last Sunday.
Instead, he kept his head, and saw his teammate shake open on the back corner of the end zone...and to give his teammate a realistic shot at an NFL record this weekend, he pulled up and tossed him the ball.
Kids, that is what a leader does. That is what a team player does. He looks out for his guys.
He me showed more on that play than he has all season. In addition, he's got an 80.2 QB rating, he's completing 60% of his passes, and he's thrown 17 TDs in 10 games. If you guys can't see that he's grown as a player and a leader, you're blind.
Is he great? No. Has he gotten dramatically better than he has ever been? Hell yes.
Are you really gonna fault him for beating a bad team? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for doing what his very conservative coach asked him to? Are you really gonna bag on Smith for failing to put up Pro Bowl numbers with a Toilet Bowl line?
Please...table the hate, it's starting to make you look silly.
yeah how dare we question Smith. He really took this team on his back when it mattered and we beat Seattle and Phili on the road and are heading to the playoffs finally for the first time in 7 years....oh wait...that didn't happen.
I am over progression, baby steps, etc. I want results and wins when it matters. I want WINNERS!
[ Edited by 9er2631 on Dec 31, 2009 at 9:37 AM ]
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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GUESS WHAT??? The Vikes bears and GB play the Lions 2 times a year and don't shut them down like we do. They may put up more points....but they do not shut them down.
Alex Smith now FINALLY has a #1 wr, the Option to Pass to the TE and a OC who is Average. Give him a decent OL and if he is still average, bye bye. But until then, how could ANY QB except Manning do good or above average with our OL? Actually.....Manning would of already been injured behind our OL.
Alex Smith now FINALLY has a #1 wr, the Option to Pass to the TE and a OC who is Average. Give him a decent OL and if he is still average, bye bye. But until then, how could ANY QB except Manning do good or above average with our OL? Actually.....Manning would of already been injured behind our OL.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:42 AM
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If you honestly think that Smith that is gonna develop into a clutch performer who thrives in pressure situations and comes up big in big games, you're setting yourself up for major disappointment.
The Seattle game and Philly game pretty much sealed the deal for me. He had an opportunity to prove to everybody, us, and the NFL, that he could possibly achieve greatness, but he failed BIG TIME. Seattle, really?
His supporter point to his Houston and GB games as evidence that he could move the football. WRONG. Smith only moved the offense when the team was already down by 20 points in each game. Of course, he can move the ball, not because of his ability, but because the other team pretty much took their foot of the gas pedal. The same thing happened in Philly. Philly took a commanding lead, played conservative, and Smith moved the offense but he had to make a play, he failed again.
When he went toe-to-toe with Vince Young and Tenn through 3 quarters, he failed again in the 4th and threw, I think, 2 ints.
When Chicago, Arizona, and Detroit, pretty much handed him the game with 18 total TOs, Michael Lewis had to pick off Cutler for the 5th time in the endzone on the last play of the game to win it and Arizona had to cough up the football for its 5th fumble.
Singletary, all of people, went against his whole "Fhysical Offense/ 60-40 run-to-pass ratio" philosophy to cater to Alex's apparent ability to move the ball in the offense, and Alex still struggled.
Say what you want about the OL, but the OL gave up less sacks when Alex went to the spread. LINK for the stans
The OL has only given up 6 sacks in the past 5 games, while they gave up 13 in Alex's first 4 games. The OL has improved, but sadly Alex hasn't.
The Seattle game and Philly game pretty much sealed the deal for me. He had an opportunity to prove to everybody, us, and the NFL, that he could possibly achieve greatness, but he failed BIG TIME. Seattle, really?
His supporter point to his Houston and GB games as evidence that he could move the football. WRONG. Smith only moved the offense when the team was already down by 20 points in each game. Of course, he can move the ball, not because of his ability, but because the other team pretty much took their foot of the gas pedal. The same thing happened in Philly. Philly took a commanding lead, played conservative, and Smith moved the offense but he had to make a play, he failed again.
When he went toe-to-toe with Vince Young and Tenn through 3 quarters, he failed again in the 4th and threw, I think, 2 ints.
When Chicago, Arizona, and Detroit, pretty much handed him the game with 18 total TOs, Michael Lewis had to pick off Cutler for the 5th time in the endzone on the last play of the game to win it and Arizona had to cough up the football for its 5th fumble.
Singletary, all of people, went against his whole "Fhysical Offense/ 60-40 run-to-pass ratio" philosophy to cater to Alex's apparent ability to move the ball in the offense, and Alex still struggled.
Say what you want about the OL, but the OL gave up less sacks when Alex went to the spread. LINK for the stans
The OL has only given up 6 sacks in the past 5 games, while they gave up 13 in Alex's first 4 games. The OL has improved, but sadly Alex hasn't.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:44 AM
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Originally posted by Archie:
The fact is inspite of 6 turnovers the 49ers didn't score a point as a direct result of those turnovers. Alex Smith played better than average but he had a lot tipped balls and that's because he doesn't know how to find a throwing lane and sometimes it's just a good play by the other team. My point is that Smith is not a good quarterback and he has not earned the right to be the unqualified starter. Look at how well Flacco performs in his 2nd year and look at Alex Smith. Smith still has the same bad habits that have nothing to do with an offensive system. Flacco is clearly better but Alex Smith is the subject of a post that says doubts still exist. The 49ers are wasting time with Smith.
Alex Smith was getting balls batted at the line because his offensive linemen played like vaginas on Sunday. When a ball is batted at the line, an offensive lineman has failed to keep his man engaged, plain and simple. You'll note that a great many of Alex's tipped passes came with Cody Wallace in the game. Coincidence? Hardly.
As my coach used to say: If that fat piece of sh*t tries to get his hands up, hit him in his gut so hard that his momma pukes.
Alex didn't fail to find passing lanes...his line failed to maintain them.
So you're wrong.
PS: Flacco started lights out, but has had games where he played worse than a blindfolded retard. Maybe you missed last week's game, which is a great example of this. Flacco has a much better offensive line, and has played in the same system for 2 straight seasons. Add to that the fact that he came to a team that actually had talent in his first season (Smith's first year, the 49ers were starting guys off the street...or did you forget?).
Hang up the Flacco comparison...it doesn't hold up.
Dec 31, 2009 at 9:49 AM
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Alex has his passes batted down because he telegraphs his passes and stares down his WRs
One Lion DT actually stuck his arm in the air a good two seconds before Smith through the ball, and Smith, displaying his "accuracy", somehow managed to hit the arm.
Darnell Dockett chose not to rush on his two plays in the 2nd Cardinals game and literally waited for Smith to throw the ball and got his own interception.
The over/under right now on the Rams game for batted balls is 5, according to Vegas. Take the over.
One Lion DT actually stuck his arm in the air a good two seconds before Smith through the ball, and Smith, displaying his "accuracy", somehow managed to hit the arm.
Darnell Dockett chose not to rush on his two plays in the 2nd Cardinals game and literally waited for Smith to throw the ball and got his own interception.
The over/under right now on the Rams game for batted balls is 5, according to Vegas. Take the over.