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Reasons why we will not make the playoffs in 2010

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
were 1 really good cb, an elite pass rusher and if goldson comes back in '10 like hes been playing the 2nd half with improved angles we have the makings of an elite defense. i have no problem staying with lewis at ss unless we can find a faster option but if we lose franklin we take a HUGE hit. we all know how long it took us to find a nt. the key to better 2ndary play is constant pressure hopefully we can sign either merriman or peppers

I think Franklin gets franchised if he doesn't resign. If Brooks keeps on playing like he has, we don't need Peppers or Steroid Boy.

Brooks has a had couple of good games. I would like to see if he can continue to produce at this rate. Many times some players play good in the beginning because teams dont have much film on them and once they figure out there tendencies teams can plan game plan to there strengths. Thats what I think happened with Paris Haralson.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
really???

Consider the OP and it kind of answers itself...


Ignorant people attack the poster instead of trying to argue the message.


What's the message? f**k 2010? Fire Everybody? Don't bother hoping? Trade our two #1's because we'll f**k it up anyway? I don't see a message . . . I just see hopelessness. This time next year you may be proven correct, but I can't roll that way.

I choose to roll this way
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
were 1 really good cb, an elite pass rusher and if goldson comes back in '10 like hes been playing the 2nd half with improved angles we have the makings of an elite defense. i have no problem staying with lewis at ss unless we can find a faster option but if we lose franklin we take a HUGE hit. we all know how long it took us to find a nt. the key to better 2ndary play is constant pressure hopefully we can sign either merriman or peppers

I think Franklin gets franchised if he doesn't resign. If Brooks keeps on playing like he has, we don't need Peppers or Steroid Boy.

Brooks has a had couple of good games. I would like to see if he can continue to produce at this rate. Many times some players play good in the beginning because teams dont have much film on them and once they figure out there tendencies teams can plan game plan to there strengths. Thats what I think happened with Paris Haralson.

Yeah we haven't seen enough of Brooks to anoint him starter.
Originally posted by boast:
who is why?

and what playoffs will he miss in 2010?

LOL... I was thinking the same thing.

Poor why.

Why can never catch a break.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Reasons why we will make the playoffs in 2010:

Continuity on offense:
- While our general offensive unit may statistically impress, individual players have done a great job in Raye's system. Specifically, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree have been consistently impressive throughout the season. An additional offseason in the same system should allow this offense to finally take the next step forward.


Alex Smith's continued development:
- I think it's fair to say that Raye's offensive system is basically a dumb down version of Norv Turner's 49er offense, which is great for Alex Smith to digest and acclimate to the scheme. With the three main weapons signed on to the team for many years to come, Smith will have the opportunity to further develop the chemistry he has with these players, and the comfortably he has in the scheme.

Improvements of the O-line:
- If we can mimic the success the Panthers have had at their O-line, we have a chance to develop a potent and powerful rushing attack. This will help establish the pass, and lead to TOP victories

I agree with the continuity thing but I just don't want folks to over hype that aspect ad if that will be the sole reason for this team making the playoffs. Last off season the majority of this board was good with the fact that this team didn't make any attempt to better the roster. Many believed the team was just gonna be better due to sing's motivational coaching. Continuity is a good thing but this team still needs better horses on the field. i agree with o line they gotta get that fixed 1st and foremost. Get that fixed and I believe this si a playoff team ..

Continuity is great if you have the right players to begin with. Players with skill sets that will be maximized in the system you're running. We have too many players with talent but are not really suited to what we do.
Continuity of what? We have run two completely different systems in one year which is unheard of in the NFL. Good teams usually decide on a system and all the players they get from that day forward fit that system. Look at Philly, Indy, N.E. McNabb, Peyton, Brady leave the game for different reasons and Kolb, Sorgi and Cassel come in, run the same offense and put up good numbers. We have to re-invent the wheel mid season because Hill and Smith have different strengths and can't run the same offense.
Scot is the reason we are talking about next year and not the playoffs this year.
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Reasons why we will make the playoffs in 2010:

Continuity on offense:
- While our general offensive unit may statistically impress, individual players have done a great job in Raye's system. Specifically, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree have been consistently impressive throughout the season. An additional offseason in the same system should allow this offense to finally take the next step forward.


Alex Smith's continued development:
- I think it's fair to say that Raye's offensive system is basically a dumb down version of Norv Turner's 49er offense, which is great for Alex Smith to digest and acclimate to the scheme. With the three main weapons signed on to the team for many years to come, Smith will have the opportunity to further develop the chemistry he has with these players, and the comfortably he has in the scheme.

Improvements of the O-line:
- If we can mimic the success the Panthers have had at their O-line, we have a chance to develop a potent and powerful rushing attack. This will help establish the pass, and lead to TOP victories

I agree with the continuity thing but I just don't want folks to over hype that aspect as if that will be the sole reason for this team making the playoffs. Last off season the majority of this board was good with the fact that this team didn't make any attempt to better the roster. Many believed the team was just gonna be better due to Sing's motivational coaching. Continuity is a good thing but this team still needs better horses on the field. i agree with o line they gotta get that fixed 1st and foremost. Get that fixed and I believe this si a playoff team ..

Continuity is great if you have the right players to begin with. Players with skill sets that will be maximized in the system you're running. We have too many players with talent but are not really suited to what we do.
Continuity of what? We have run two completely different systems in one year which is unheard of in the NFL. Good teams usually decide on a system and all the players they get from that day forward fit that system. Look at Philly, Indy, N.E. McNabb, Peyton, Brady leave the game for different reasons and Kolb, Sorgi and Cassel come in, run the same offense and put up good numbers. We have to re-invent the wheel mid season because Hill and Smith have different strengths and can't run the same offense.
Scot is the reason we are talking about next year and not the playoffs this year.

Good points. When you think of all the good teams in the league you can immediately point otu there identities. I thought that sing would bring an actual identity to the team but the o line and Smith's inability to play under center hasn't allowed him to do that. I give him props for not be overly stubborn, but this team needs one direction and stick with it. Hopefully that happens this off season. I like the continuity let's just pray the GM adds better talent that fits right in and takes teh team to the next level.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Reasons why we will make the playoffs in 2010:

Continuity on offense:
- While our general offensive unit may statistically impress, individual players have done a great job in Raye's system. Specifically, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree have been consistently impressive throughout the season. An additional offseason in the same system should allow this offense to finally take the next step forward.


Alex Smith's continued development:
- I think it's fair to say that Raye's offensive system is basically a dumb down version of Norv Turner's 49er offense, which is great for Alex Smith to digest and acclimate to the scheme. With the three main weapons signed on to the team for many years to come, Smith will have the opportunity to further develop the chemistry he has with these players, and the comfortably he has in the scheme.

Improvements of the O-line:
- If we can mimic the success the Panthers have had at their O-line, we have a chance to develop a potent and powerful rushing attack. This will help establish the pass, and lead to TOP victories

I agree with the continuity thing but I just don't want folks to over hype that aspect as if that will be the sole reason for this team making the playoffs. Last off season the majority of this board was good with the fact that this team didn't make any attempt to better the roster. Many believed the team was just gonna be better due to Sing's motivational coaching. Continuity is a good thing but this team still needs better horses on the field. i agree with o line they gotta get that fixed 1st and foremost. Get that fixed and I believe this si a playoff team ..

Continuity is great if you have the right players to begin with. Players with skill sets that will be maximized in the system you're running. We have too many players with talent but are not really suited to what we do.
Continuity of what? We have run two completely different systems in one year which is unheard of in the NFL. Good teams usually decide on a system and all the players they get from that day forward fit that system. Look at Philly, Indy, N.E. McNabb, Peyton, Brady leave the game for different reasons and Kolb, Sorgi and Cassel come in, run the same offense and put up good numbers. We have to re-invent the wheel mid season because Hill and Smith have different strengths and can't run the same offense.
Scot is the reason we are talking about next year and not the playoffs this year.

Good points. When you think of all the good teams in the league you can immediately point otu there identities. I thought that sing would bring an actual identity to the team but the o line and Smith's inability to play under center hasn't allowed him to do that. I give him props for not be overly stubborn, but this team needs one direction and stick with it. Hopefully that happens this off season. I like the continuity let's just pray the GM adds better talent that fits right in and takes teh team to the next level.

Yes the team needs to decide on what they want to be. I cant believe how much our coaches and front office overestimated our talent on the Oline. There is some serious problems with our talent evaluators if they thought this Oline would be able to perform a power running system.
Really I like some of the points you made but we can't start talking about writing off 2010 already. I mean we still have one more game to go this year and the whole off season. I can be as cynical as any of our beat writers can be but no way can I say we will not make the playoffs in 2010
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Really I like some of the points you made but we can't start talking about writing off 2010 already. I mean we still have one more game to go this year and the whole off season. I can be as cynical as any of our beat writers can be but no way can I say we will not make the playoffs in 2010

I hope I am wrong as well. I dont like to say me team is not going to make the playoffs, but at the same time I am a realist. Hopefully all of those things can be fixed and we do make the playoffs so cynics like me can STFU.
I agree with all of your reasons, but I believe that the defense will improve.
Reason #4 I have to admit is a bit of a concern for me.
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Reason we could make the play-offs in 2010,.........Warner retires, Leinart takes over and 9-7 is good enough to win the division, of course we will have trouble getting the 9-7 part.
Holy s**t man! You've already seen the 2010 season? And you know that Alex Smith is going to suck on 3rd downs and the in the 4th quarter with a better O-Line? We sucked on all of our road games again? And you know our talent is s**tty? We drafted bad players didn't we? I'm sure you know they're already a bust, too. Didn't go after Mankins or Bush or Merriman? Wow, our offseason, draft, TC, preseason, and all 16 games must have been rough for you to already watch.


Damn... Guess I won't watch football in 2010 and won't follow the offseason since you already know these are staples in our team for 2010.
[ Edited by chico49erfan on Dec 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM ]
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
were 1 really good cb, an elite pass rusher and if goldson comes back in '10 like hes been playing the 2nd half with improved angles we have the makings of an elite defense. i have no problem staying with lewis at ss unless we can find a faster option but if we lose franklin we take a HUGE hit. we all know how long it took us to find a nt. the key to better 2ndary play is constant pressure hopefully we can sign either merriman or peppers

I think Franklin gets franchised if he doesn't resign. If Brooks keeps on playing like he has, we don't need Peppers or Steroid Boy.

Brooks has a had couple of good games. I would like to see if he can continue to produce at this rate. Many times some players play good in the beginning because teams dont have much film on them and once they figure out there tendencies teams can plan game plan to there strengths. Thats what I think happened with Paris Haralson.


Haralson doesen't have the speed or athletic ability and natural ability Brooks has as a pass rusher plus Brooks is bigger to. I think Brooks can be a player, we need to continue to develop him but I hope we sign a solid vetran PR as well. I wish we signed Greg Ellis when we had the chance, he is a guy who would have helped our team. IMO, Manny Lawson will be on the trading block.
Originally posted by GEEK:
Reasons why we will make the playoffs in 2010:

Continuity on offense:
- While our general offensive unit may statistically impress, individual players have done a great job in Raye's system. Specifically, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree have been consistently impressive throughout the season. An additional offseason in the same system should allow this offense to finally take the next step forward.

Alex Smith's continued development:
- I think it's fair to say that Raye's offensive system is basically a dumb down version of Norv Turner's 49er offense, which is great for Alex Smith to digest and acclimate to the scheme. With the three main weapons signed on to the team for many years to come, Smith will have the opportunity to further develop the chemistry he has with these players, and the comfortably he has in the scheme.

Improvements of the O-line:
- If we can mimic the success the Panthers have had at their O-line, we have a chance to develop a potent and powerful rushing attack. This will help establish the pass, and lead to TOP victories

Alex has regressed to what he was in the last few weeks. It's too bad, I like the kid, but he's just not the 1 imo.