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  • krizay
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.

im gonna pray for you
  • krizay
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.

im gonna pray for you

Might wanna toss yourself one as well there Reverend!
Originally posted by King49er:
yes
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.

im gonna pray for you

Might wanna toss yourself one as well there Reverend!

no just for you
  • krizay
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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.

im gonna pray for you

Might wanna toss yourself one as well there Reverend!

no just for you

*bows head*
& *closes eyes*
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by luv49rs:
you have high standards krizay

lol As high as the expectations I was forced fed back in 06?

you mean the ones he is meeting this year

Oh yes.

Running by LB's and over DB's. Mismatch when ever he steps on the field. 5 guys to bring him down. YAC YAC YAC. Revolutionize the TE position. Yea he's meeting all those.

No. Instead, let's downplay one of the bright spots on our team who's actually playing at a Pro Bowl level just to cover your previous comments.

Is this the same guy who wanted to draft Michael Huff instead of Davis? I may be confusing you with someone else...


Krizay is right. Vernon isn't that good. Footballoutsiders.com has him ranked 7th right now, behind Gates, Clark, Shiancoe, Gonzalez, Watson and Whitten. That is using their arcane statistic DYAR (defensive-adjusted yards above replacement). His catch rate is 61%, below that of any of these others. Catch rate is of course partly QB dependent. Vernon still false starts way too often, and this kills drives. His best stat is TD's, which I guess is a good stat to have.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Krizay is right. Vernon isn't that good. Footballoutsiders.com has him ranked 7th right now, behind Gates, Clark, Shiancoe, Gonzalez, Watson and Whitten. That is using their arcane statistic DYAR (defensive-adjusted yards above replacement). His catch rate is 61%, below that of any of these others. Catch rate is of course partly QB dependent. Vernon still false starts way too often, and this kills drives. His best stat is TD's, which I guess is a good stat to have.



ranked 17th in DVOA

Quote:
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average TE in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.


This is what I was talking about in making all things equal. And he has a ranking of 17th amongst TE's.



http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

[ Edited by krizay on Dec 18, 2009 at 14:30:23 ]
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Krizay is right. Vernon isn't that good. Footballoutsiders.com has him ranked 7th right now, behind Gates, Clark, Shiancoe, Gonzalez, Watson and Whitten. That is using their arcane statistic DYAR (defensive-adjusted yards above replacement). His catch rate is 61%, below that of any of these others. Catch rate is of course partly QB dependent. Vernon still false starts way too often, and this kills drives. His best stat is TD's, which I guess is a good stat to have.



ranked 17th in DVOA

Quote:
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average TE in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.


This is what I was talking about in making all things equal. And he has a ranking of 17th amongst TE's.



http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

Yeah, I didn't mention DVOA. We'll catch enough flack with DYAR.
  • Antix
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You guys are hilarious.

Dude is about to set an NFL record and "he's not that good".

Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big Davis criticizer. I still don't believe he can make the great catch, the tough catch in the clutch to win a game, but he is still playing the best football of any TE in the league this year.

I can understand being tough on a guy but damn, this is ridiculous. Don't just slay the guy because that's been your M-O for the last 4 years despite obvious evidence to the contrary.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Krizay is right. Vernon isn't that good. Footballoutsiders.com has him ranked 7th right now, behind Gates, Clark, Shiancoe, Gonzalez, Watson and Whitten. That is using their arcane statistic DYAR (defensive-adjusted yards above replacement). His catch rate is 61%, below that of any of these others. Catch rate is of course partly QB dependent. Vernon still false starts way too often, and this kills drives. His best stat is TD's, which I guess is a good stat to have.



ranked 17th in DVOA

Quote:
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average TE in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.


This is what I was talking about in making all things equal. And he has a ranking of 17th amongst TE's.



http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

Yeah, I didn't mention DVOA. We'll catch enough flack with DYAR.

I've learned in the past that posts like these usually mean /thread. This thread will not make page 6.

Off to webzone heaven this thread goes.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by Antix:
You guys are hilarious.

Dude is about to set an NFL record and "he's not that good".

Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big Davis criticizer. I still don't believe he can make the great catch, the tough catch in the clutch to win a game, but he is still playing the best football of any TE in the league this year.

I can understand being tough on a guy but damn, this is ridiculous. Don't just slay the guy because that's been your M-O for the last 4 years despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

I gave him his credit for the season he's having. But me and Michael Huff always seem to get our names brought up atleast once a week. Like I'm all of a sudden going to run and hide.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Krizay is right. Vernon isn't that good. Footballoutsiders.com has him ranked 7th right now, behind Gates, Clark, Shiancoe, Gonzalez, Watson and Whitten. That is using their arcane statistic DYAR (defensive-adjusted yards above replacement). His catch rate is 61%, below that of any of these others. Catch rate is of course partly QB dependent. Vernon still false starts way too often, and this kills drives. His best stat is TD's, which I guess is a good stat to have.



ranked 17th in DVOA

Quote:
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average TE in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance.


This is what I was talking about in making all things equal. And he has a ranking of 17th amongst TE's.



http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

Yeah, I didn't mention DVOA. We'll catch enough flack with DYAR.

Might as well through the blocking stat out there as well hile we're at it.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=TE&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
Originally posted by Antix:
You guys are hilarious.

Dude is about to set an NFL record and "he's not that good".

Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a big Davis criticizer. I still don't believe he can make the great catch, the tough catch in the clutch to win a game, but he is still playing the best football of any TE in the league this year.

I can understand being tough on a guy but damn, this is ridiculous. Don't just slay the guy because that's been your M-O for the last 4 years despite obvious evidence to the contrary.

Don't get me wrong - I love Vernon. I think he has the potential to be a great TE some day. I just don't think he's there yet. But he is still improving, and that's a positive sign.
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