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Davis Baas and the Oline
Dec 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM
- tjd808185
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If it's an uncapped season Baas won't be going anywhere.
Dec 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM
- PacTiger
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
If it's an uncapped season Baas won't be going anywhere.
I actually hope he doesn't. I would rather somebody take the job than to give it to an unproven rookie or a FA hopeful. If there is somebody that is flat out better than Baas that is available through FA then of course I would not mind the niners signing him. I just don't see that scenario next offseason.
Dec 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM
- MadDog49er
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Baas might be back, largely due to the uncapped year, but the bigger question to me is how to get Rachal to play at a higher level. He stunk earlier in the year, rebounded with a few good games, but seems to be slipping backwards again.
One thing the Niners may consider if Baas leaves (and maybe even if he doesn't), is sliding Rachal over to LG, so he can match up with NT's, instead of the faster, and usually more talented undertackles. Rachal seems to take bad angles too often, doesn't use his hands well on many plays, and therefore gets beat by the quicker/savvier undertackles in the league. He may fare better with the bigger, plodding NT's.
So, to me, it might be better to sandwich Rachal between Staley and Heitmann, draft that rookie RT, and bring in a veteran free agent RG, who can teach the new draftee how to play the game.
One thing the Niners may consider if Baas leaves (and maybe even if he doesn't), is sliding Rachal over to LG, so he can match up with NT's, instead of the faster, and usually more talented undertackles. Rachal seems to take bad angles too often, doesn't use his hands well on many plays, and therefore gets beat by the quicker/savvier undertackles in the league. He may fare better with the bigger, plodding NT's.
So, to me, it might be better to sandwich Rachal between Staley and Heitmann, draft that rookie RT, and bring in a veteran free agent RG, who can teach the new draftee how to play the game.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Dec 23, 2009 at 12:09 PM ]
Dec 23, 2009 at 12:19 PM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Baas might be back, largely due to the uncapped year, but the bigger question to me is how to get Rachal to play at a higher level. He stunk earlier in the year, rebounded with a few good games, but seems to be slipping backwards again.
One thing the Niners may consider if Baas leaves (and maybe even if he doesn't), is sliding Rachal over to LG, so he can match up with NT's, instead of the faster, and usually more talented undertackles. Rachal seems to take bad angles too often, doesn't use his hands well on many plays, and therefore gets beat by the quicker/savvier undertackles in the league. He may fare better with the bigger, plodding NT's.
So, to me, it might be better to sandwich Rachal between Staley and Heitmann, draft that rookie RT, and bring in a veteran free agent RG, who can teach the new draftee how to play the game.
It looks like Chilo is stuck in the mud at times. He doesn't move his feet quick enough and his bad angles allows him to never get a good grip and get his hand on the inside of the defenders arms and push him around. Seems like he only does well on plays where he gets to pull. What I wonder is if he's being coached up and not taking that coaching into game situations or what. And a even bigger wuestion is what if Chilo just isn't a good player. Maybe when he got in teh games last year that was just a burst of good play and he's really the inconsistent player we see now. I'm a die hard Michigan fan and I've had enough of Baas on the niners
Dec 23, 2009 at 12:38 PM
- BigRon
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It is my opinion that we only have one starter on the oline. Staley.
Heitmann was a backup to Newberry who was handed the job and no one beat him out but he is still a backup on most teams.
Baas is a capable Backup but he doesn't seem to possess the Drive needed to be a quality starter
Too early on Rachal but he seems to be a Baas.
Heitmann was a backup to Newberry who was handed the job and no one beat him out but he is still a backup on most teams.
Baas is a capable Backup but he doesn't seem to possess the Drive needed to be a quality starter
Too early on Rachal but he seems to be a Baas.
Dec 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM
- solidg2000
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Originally posted by BigRon:
It is my opinion that we only have one starter on the oline. Staley.
Heitmann was a backup to Newberry who was handed the job and no one beat him out but he is still a backup on most teams.
Baas is a capable Backup but he doesn't seem to possess the Drive needed to be a quality starter
Too early on Rachal but he seems to be a Baas.
Agree on Heitmann, he gets a pass by here way too much.
He is supposed to be the leader and set up blocks at the line yet a lot of the pressure is right up the middle unblocked WTF
Dec 23, 2009 at 5:21 PM
- backontop
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Originally posted by solidg2000:Originally posted by BigRon:
It is my opinion that we only have one starter on the oline. Staley.
Heitmann was a backup to Newberry who was handed the job and no one beat him out but he is still a backup on most teams.
Baas is a capable Backup but he doesn't seem to possess the Drive needed to be a quality starter
Too early on Rachal but he seems to be a Baas.
Agree on Heitmann, he gets a pass by here way too much.
He is supposed to be the leader and set up blocks at the line yet a lot of the pressure is right up the middle unblocked WTF
Most of the pressure right up the middle comes right between Rachal and Snyder.
Dec 23, 2009 at 10:50 PM
- dj43
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If the OL is to become effective, the 49ers MUST pay whatever is needed to get a TOP-LEVEL OL coach. For the past eight years they have had re-treads for OL coaches.
To make matters worse, they let their best OL leave two years ago without even a solid offer. Justin Smiley is now the leader of the best all-round OL in the league.
I don't think Baas has the physical skills to be the RG the team needs but I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he stayed for an inexpensive contract and a new coach was in place. Frankly, I don't think he will get much of an offer from anybody. He just hasn't shown much.
To make matters worse, they let their best OL leave two years ago without even a solid offer. Justin Smiley is now the leader of the best all-round OL in the league.
I don't think Baas has the physical skills to be the RG the team needs but I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he stayed for an inexpensive contract and a new coach was in place. Frankly, I don't think he will get much of an offer from anybody. He just hasn't shown much.
Dec 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM
- ninerforyears
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Why do we need consistency when what we have and what we are doing is not working! You mean to tell me if the quaterback stinks the oc stinks the ol stinks we need to keep them because we need continuity. This is my third reply and i can smell the stinch down in acapolco! Hello come out of La la land. Matter of fact pinch yourself go ahead I seen this in a move on tmc channel. Pinch yourself you just may snap out of it!
Dec 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM
- CorvaNinerFan
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I was on the Baas bandwagon for awhile...because he was healthy but not in the lineup. While he's had his moments (mostly in run-blocking), I don't see him as the long-term answer at OG. I have my doubts about Rachal, too. The one guy who's only really seen ST duties is Wragge. In the past when he played, he was pretty solid. I don't understand why he hasn't had more of an opportunity under Singletary. Be that as it may, I'm all for drafting a top OT and OG...and re-sign both Sims and Pashos. I think Tony could really solidify RT, but he got hurt as soon as he became the starer. I see that Wallace is finally getting on the field...that's good, but I don't think Coach is going far enough. What about Wragge? Give the guy a sprout, Coach. He talks about seeing what Wallace has...what about Wragge? Anyway, for me, there are only two legit holdovers, Staley and Heitmann. Snyder might be able to hold down one of the OG positions...but, I'd still like to see some more mobile guys...who can pull on sweeps, get downfield on screens, etc. Our current bunch really aren't cut out for that and I think it limits what our offense can do.
Dec 24, 2009 at 12:14 AM
- WillistheWall
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I was on the Baas bandwagon for awhile...because he was healthy but not in the lineup. While he's had his moments (mostly in run-blocking), I don't see him as the long-term answer at OG. I have my doubts about Rachal, too. The one guy who's only really seen ST duties is Wragge. In the past when he played, he was pretty solid. I don't understand why he hasn't had more of an opportunity under Singletary. Be that as it may, I'm all for drafting a top OT and OG...and re-sign both Sims and Pashos. I think Tony could really solidify RT, but he got hurt as soon as he became the starer. I see that Wallace is finally getting on the field...that's good, but I don't think Coach is going far enough. What about Wragge? Give the guy a sprout, Coach. He talks about seeing what Wallace has...what about Wragge? Anyway, for me, there are only two legit holdovers, Staley and Heitmann. Snyder might be able to hold down one of the OG positions...but, I'd still like to see some more mobile guys...who can pull on sweeps, get downfield on screens, etc. Our current bunch really aren't cut out for that and I think it limits what our offense can do.
I'd like to see Snyder and Baas and possibly Rachal gone. I want to see what Cody Wallace has, I know Sing's going to try to work him in at center but Wallace said he wants to add the guard position to his repetoire. I want to see what he has at guard. He's a smaller guard that's a bit lighter than Baas who is listed at 330 on 49ers.com, and Rachal who is listed at 315 but doesn't seem very quick. IIRC Wallace had a rep for being a smaller and quicker linemen. I'd like to see us get a RT that's better in pass protection and quicker. If we can see what Wallace has and he plays well, that'd be really nice. REALLY nice.
Dec 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM
- Niners99
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Originally posted by hofer36:
would baas be better at center?
ive never thought about that....Heitmann was a solid Guard before Newberry got hurt...
i dunno, Baas has potential, maybe he just isnt being taught correctly. our OL coach is awful. hes still young.
and guys, right now? our line is bad enough. i dont see who we can get to replace Baas that will be much better. at least someone that doesnt cost an arm and a leg.
Dec 24, 2009 at 12:54 AM
- Joecool
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If we want to be in the playoffs AND have a good OL, then rookies won't do it. We must go after free agents. Of course, I feel we can make the playoffs with the OL that started the season.
Dec 24, 2009 at 12:56 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Joecool:
If we want to be in the playoffs AND have a good OL, then rookies won't do it. We must go after free agents. Of course, I feel we can make the playoffs with the OL that started the season.
Also Heittman was a Guard and it may be a good idea to move him back.
Dec 24, 2009 at 1:06 AM
- WillistheWall
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Originally posted by Joecool:
If we want to be in the playoffs AND have a good OL, then rookies won't do it. We must go after free agents. Of course, I feel we can make the playoffs with the OL that started the season.
The line of Staley/Baas/Heitmann/Rachal/Snyder? That's the OLine now and they're not good. They weren't good to start the season. The only reason the rushing YPA looks good is because Gore is naturally talented and broke a few really long ones. Both QBs got smashed and throwing lanes have been few and far between. They've been awful, no team would make the playoffs with this crap up front. We have 2.5 starters on this line.