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The truth of which type of offense scores more

im pretty sure that 35 point beating, that the DEFENSE scored nearly most of against the lowly rams is skewing this average, quite a bit...why dont you get an average for what the offense was scoring...
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.

It would be more accurate. I just may be wrong because I don't think the defense or ST in the last 6 games has scored any points.
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

Very good point. Not to mention that Hill played against Arizona when they were not 100%, STL, Seattle without Hasslebeck for most of the game.

There are a ton of factors that go into JoeCool's stats. Injuries, Roster changes, Philosophy changes, etc. To compare Hill and Smith by the numbers is pretty stupid because the week 1 Niners were a lot different than the week 13 Niners. You can clearly see which one is playing better of the two QBs.
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.





[ Edited by MadMartz on Dec 11, 2009 at 13:38:10 ]
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.




Damn! I almost had you guys.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.




Damn! I almost had you guys.



Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.

It would be more accurate. I just may be wrong because I don't think the defense or ST in the last 6 games has scored any points.

I went through all the box scores on NFL.com and didn't see any defense or ST scores after Alex took over. If somebody finds one, please point it out.

I believe the final count looks like this:

Shaun - 84pts / 5.5 games = 15.27 pts/game

Alex - 133pts / 6.5 games = 20.46 pts/game

I don't know how much that means as things like opposing defensive ratings, Gore's injury, etc would all be factors.

I would argue the offense simply looks better under Alex just based off my eyeballs, though.
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Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.

It would be more accurate. I just may be wrong because I don't think the defense or ST in the last 6 games has scored any points.

I went through all the box scores on NFL.com and didn't see any defense or ST scores after Alex took over. If somebody finds one, please point it out.

I believe the final count looks like this:

Shaun - 84pts / 5.5 games = 15.27 pts/game

Alex - 133pts / 6.5 games = 20.46 pts/game

I don't know how much that means as things like opposing defensive ratings, Gore's injury, etc would all be factors.

I would argue the offense simply looks better under Alex just based off my eyeballs, though.

Iv would like to add
Shaun Hill 71 1st downs in 5.5 games 12.9 per game Which would rank 32nd in the NFL.

Alex Smith 107 in 6.5 games. 16.4 per game. Which would rank 26th.



The scoring averages rank Smith 19th. Hill would rank 29th.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.

It would be more accurate. I just may be wrong because I don't think the defense or ST in the last 6 games has scored any points.

I went through all the box scores on NFL.com and didn't see any defense or ST scores after Alex took over. If somebody finds one, please point it out.

I believe the final count looks like this:

Shaun - 84pts / 5.5 games = 15.27 pts/game

Alex - 133pts / 6.5 games = 20.46 pts/game

I don't know how much that means as things like opposing defensive ratings, Gore's injury, etc would all be factors.

I would argue the offense simply looks better under Alex just based off my eyeballs, though.

Iv would like to add
Shaun Hill 71 1st downs in 5.5 games 12.9 per game Which would rank 32nd in the NFL.

Alex Smith 107 in 6.5 games. 16.4 per game. Which would rank 26th.



The scoring averages rank Smith 19th. Hill would rank 29th.

We really need to convert more on 3rd downs.
^^ On that note, what does T.O.P. look like?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
i think your math is a bit off, but the difference still isnt much.

Hill: 5.5 games
20 + 23 + 24 + 35 + 10 + 0 = 112 pts
112/5.5 = 20.36 pts/game

Smith: 6.5 Games
21 + 14 + 27 + 10 + 24 + 20 + 17 = 133 pts
133/6.5 = 20.46 pts/game

In that sense, the Offense has been fairly consistent. Why are we losing now: The other team is scoring more points than us (shocking, no?).

The defense scored 21pts in our first 5.5 games and ST scored 7, which means the offense under Hill actually only put up 84pts.

That's only 15.3 pts/game.

true, but that just makes things more complicated and you'd have to do that for the both sides then.

Has the D even scored points during Smith's run?

I can't remember any, but I'm working on that now...

And it may be more complicated, but I think its the only way to be accurate.

indeed.

It would be more accurate. I just may be wrong because I don't think the defense or ST in the last 6 games has scored any points.

I went through all the box scores on NFL.com and didn't see any defense or ST scores after Alex took over. If somebody finds one, please point it out.

I believe the final count looks like this:

Shaun - 84pts / 5.5 games = 15.27 pts/game

Alex - 133pts / 6.5 games = 20.46 pts/game

I don't know how much that means as things like opposing defensive ratings, Gore's injury, etc would all be factors.

I would argue the offense simply looks better under Alex just based off my eyeballs, though.

Iv would like to add
Shaun Hill 71 1st downs in 5.5 games 12.9 per game Which would rank 32nd in the NFL.

Alex Smith 107 in 6.5 games. 16.4 per game. Which would rank 26th.



The scoring averages rank Smith 19th. Hill would rank 29th.

We really need to convert more on 3rd downs.

Yeah. Some if it is on play calling but some of it's been on things like 3rd and short. We need better players(specifically OLine)
Originally posted by Joecool:
You guys are blind.

Average points per game with 5.5 games with Hill:

18.6

Average points per game with 6.5 games with Smith:

18.4


I included Alexs Houston half.

I still think Smith should start, but this spread B.S. is what it is, B.S., especially this
Double TE I am not going to run the ball offense is a Joke.

We need to get our best receivers out there.

And to think, we didn't have Crabs then and Gore was out for 3 games.

Blind I tell ya!
One of the highlights of ninertalk these days is watching you get owned on a regular basis.
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by Joecool:
You guys are blind.

Average points per game with 5.5 games with Hill:

18.6

Average points per game with 6.5 games with Smith:

18.4


I included Alexs Houston half.

I still think Smith should start, but this spread B.S. is what it is, B.S., especially this
Double TE I am not going to run the ball offense is a Joke.

We need to get our best receivers out there.

And to think, we didn't have Crabs then and Gore was out for 3 games.

Blind I tell ya!
One of the highlights of ninertalk these days is watching you get owned on a regular basis.

A disappointing season has to have some light for at least some people.