Alex Smith's Passer Rating

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Like other posters have said. He needs to translate those into wins if he wants to play next year. Especially on third down. Those are costing us the game and wearing down the defense...week in & week out.

I am an old time Alex hater, but high passer ratings paired with losses points to a bad team around the QB.

It has been a long time, and the next 4 games is crucial...but QB may no longer be our biggest problem

Why can't some of the other Smith haters come to this realization.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Like other posters have said. He needs to translate those into wins if he wants to play next year. Especially on third down. Those are costing us the game and wearing down the defense...week in & week out.

I am an old time Alex hater, but high passer ratings paired with losses points to a bad team around the QB.

It has been a long time, and the next 4 games is crucial...but QB may no longer be our biggest problem

Why can't some of the other Smith haters come to this realization.

They drink HILLUSIONIST Gateraid and they drink Alex HATERAID.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by domesik:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Also, Alex is not 2-4, the 49ERS are 2-4. Coach said in his press conference that Alex doesn't tackle on defense, and Alex doesn't drop passes and fumbles the ball. The whole team should be reflected on their win-loss record.

I still cant fathom how an adult of average intelligence doesn't understand this. QB's are not boxers, golfers, tennis players. Those athletes have win-loss records. Football players do not. Football teams do. They are one player playing in a game that is known as the ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT. Football is the most intricate game ever played. AN NFL offense has so many moving parts, so many things that have to happen to be successful. A tackle holding a block for an extra tenth of a second can be the difference between a sack/fumble and a 65 yard TD.

The QB may be the most important player on the field at any given time (sometimes it is the RB) but attaching wins and losses to the QB alone is plain stupid. No matter how many people on internet forums, at bars, yelling on AM radio in the middle of the night, or even the "experts" on national TV speak in those terms. Plain stupid.

It's simple: Alex dictates our style of play. Our style of play with Hill in at QB produced more wins than our style of play with Alex at QB.

Our style of play with Hill lead the league with 3 and outs and you think if Hill stayed in that we would of made the playoffs??? Not.

If we would of stayed with Hill we would of lost just as much and you wouldn't have Smith to pin it on.

Serious question: You didn't see defenses catching up with Hill and starting to shut him down during the Falcons and Texans game?

Alex has had his share of 3 and outs. Why don't you average the points per game of each game each QB started? Include Hill's goose egg against Hou and Alexs 21 against Hou. You will be amazed.

Every NFL QB has. But it's not even close when comparing Hill and Smith this year. The offense is moving the ball, converting 1st downs, and scoring points with Alex back there. The offense has been measurably better in all of those categories since Hill was benched.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by domesik:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Also, Alex is not 2-4, the 49ERS are 2-4. Coach said in his press conference that Alex doesn't tackle on defense, and Alex doesn't drop passes and fumbles the ball. The whole team should be reflected on their win-loss record.

I still cant fathom how an adult of average intelligence doesn't understand this. QB's are not boxers, golfers, tennis players. Those athletes have win-loss records. Football players do not. Football teams do. They are one player playing in a game that is known as the ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT. Football is the most intricate game ever played. AN NFL offense has so many moving parts, so many things that have to happen to be successful. A tackle holding a block for an extra tenth of a second can be the difference between a sack/fumble and a 65 yard TD.

The QB may be the most important player on the field at any given time (sometimes it is the RB) but attaching wins and losses to the QB alone is plain stupid. No matter how many people on internet forums, at bars, yelling on AM radio in the middle of the night, or even the "experts" on national TV speak in those terms. Plain stupid.

It's simple: Alex dictates our style of play. Our style of play with Hill in at QB produced more wins than our style of play with Alex at QB.

Our style of play with Hill lead the league with 3 and outs and you think if Hill stayed in that we would of made the playoffs??? Not.

If we would of stayed with Hill we would of lost just as much and you wouldn't have Smith to pin it on.

Serious question: You didn't see defenses catching up with Hill and starting to shut him down during the Falcons and Texans game?

Alex has had his share of 3 and outs. Why don't you average the points per game of each game each QB started? Include Hill's goose egg against Hou and Alexs 21 against Hou. You will be amazed.

Every NFL QB has. But it's not even close when comparing Hill and Smith this year. The offense is moving the ball, converting 1st downs, and scoring points with Alex back there. The offense has been measurably better in all of those categories since Hill was benched.

I think Peyton Manning went 3 and outs like 10 times against us. He sucks though so I dont count him.

Football is a team game and Alex is just a piece of the puzzle. We need to stop getting penalties, stop dropping balls, start managing the game better, stop turning the ball over, etc.

Had everyone got THIS done what games do we lose?

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Football is a team game and Alex is just a piece of the puzzle. We need to stop getting penalties, stop dropping balls, start managing the game better, stop turning the ball over, etc.

Had everyone got THIS done what games do we lose?

Atlanta.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Football is a team game and Alex is just a piece of the puzzle. We need to stop getting penalties, stop dropping balls, start managing the game better, stop turning the ball over, etc.

Had everyone got THIS done what games do we lose?

Atlanta.

Correction, since Alex Smith has been in.

Originally posted by Spoonerism:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Football is a team game and Alex is just a piece of the puzzle. We need to stop getting penalties, stop dropping balls, start managing the game better, stop turning the ball over, etc.

Had everyone got THIS done what games do we lose?

Atlanta.

Correction, since Alex Smith has been in.

Not drop the ball, not fumble and manage the game better since Alex has been in.

NONE.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dtcomposer:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Also, Alex is not 2-4, the 49ERS are 2-4. Coach said in his press conference that Alex doesn't tackle on defense, and Alex doesn't drop passes and fumbles the ball. The whole team should be reflected on their win-loss record.

I still cant fathom how an adult of average intelligence doesn't understand this. QB's are not boxers, golfers, tennis players. Those athletes have win-loss records. Football players do not. Football teams do. They are one player playing in a game that is known as the ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT. Football is the most intricate game ever played. AN NFL offense has so many moving parts, so many things that have to happen to be successful. A tackle holding a block for an extra tenth of a second can be the difference between a sack/fumble and a 65 yard TD.

The QB may be the most important player on the field at any given time (sometimes it is the RB) but attaching wins and losses to the QB alone is plain stupid. No matter how many people on internet forums, at bars, yelling on AM radio in the middle of the night, or even the "experts" on national TV speak in those terms. Plain stupid.

It's simple: Alex dictates our style of play. Our style of play with Hill in at QB produced more wins than our style of play with Alex at QB.

Dude, seriously, your sophomoric analysis of this situation is laughable. It is not that simple. It was obvious that in most cases, the team was winning the first few games in spite of Hill's anemic passing ability. You are not taking into account any injuries to the 49ers or their opponents, their opponents overall ability, the performance of the Defense, and big plays in the running game.

I want to repeat this last point very slowly: The 49ers changed to Smith because Hill was not effective.. If not why would they have made the switch? Also, The 49ers changed to the shotgun because IT IS MORE EFFECTIVE than what they were running. If not why would they have switched?

To make the argument that the team was better with Hill BECAUSE he didn't pass very much is kind of weak. You seem like the kind of person who just cannot admit when you were wrong. Your arguments are becoming so tired.

Obviously the coaching staff, most of the media, a majority of the fans, and analysts all agree that Alex is the better option. Hill was a good stop-gap, and Smith is a possible long-term solution. Quit posting round-about, or veiled attacks. Posts like this show what is really behind them

You just don't get it.

After reading through all of these posts Joe, it seems you are the one not "getting it".

I never said Alex isn't the better option. I have already said that he is. You don't get it.

I get what you're saying Joe. They need to work the Run game in more to take time off the clock as WELL as the Passing attack that we have now.

And this makes sense. Because if we weren't Winning with Run and we aren't Winning with Pass the team needs to move toward BALANCE.

I'm just a Zoner, but I pointed out a few games back, that they CAN Run with Frank from the Spread. I even pointed out HOW they can. But I guess the team isn't ready for the next level yet. Cause if they were they would have been Running more from the Spread. Especially against the Seahags.

~Ceadder

9 runs is just not going to cut it. Gore average 2.8 per carry meaning if we run even once, we are still looking at about 2nd down with 6 yards to go. That's NOT bad, but we get scared of any carry under 3 yards. Also, Gore needs the rythm, especially now that he must run with a different type of vision. He has proven he can break some but he NEEDS a rythm.

We went 7 straight possession with a punt and one of them being only 5 plays. This is terrible clock management considering we only ran Gore 9 times.

Also, we need to utilize the other players like Jason Hill and cannot rely on Delanie every game. He's not a go to guy which means he's going to have off games. If he's not coming through, then we need to be able to play around and see who can get the hot hand.

You're preachin to tha Choir ma man, preachin to tha Choir.

Unfortunately Sing doesn't have an idea how to get it done and Raye isn't being allowed to create on the fly. So until that happens I think that our Offense will continue to be lopsided.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Football is a team game and Alex is just a piece of the puzzle. We need to stop getting penalties, stop dropping balls, start managing the game better, stop turning the ball over, etc.

Had everyone got THIS done what games do we lose?

Atlanta.

Correction, since Alex Smith has been in.

Not drop the ball, not fumble and manage the game better since Alex has been in.

NONE.

Right on point. Not to mention the timeouts spent getting the right package on the field. Oy vey.

~Ceadder

our line is NOT physical to win up front, cannot open any holes or make signifacant blocks for Gore to run through and be successful. They are BARELY doing a decent enough job for Alex to get the ball off in shotgun. It kills me how much time, Romo/Brady/Warner/Manning have when theyre in the gun and can just read the field. Alex is doing a GREAT job IMHO with what little blocking he has, even in this spread offense.. If he had more time, and balance with the run, Alex would be THAT much better!! Very excited that next season we should be going in with no MAJOR holes, besides sure up that OLINE and find a couple playmakers on both sides of the ball, EX FS (all around like Berry, or a hard hitting force in Mays) WR/KR someone with speed that can make things happen in the return game and open things up for Crabs and Davis, or s sure pass rusher, someone to get to the QB and make plays!!

[ Edited by 49ersnum1 on Dec 11, 2009 at 17:47:58 ]

As Ceadder mentioned, Smith has become a very good red zone QB. He is ranked 11th inside the 20 and 10th inside the 10 yard line. That is quite an improvement and much better than Hill, who was lost when in the red zone. Now, if the play calling can be creative on 3rd down this O will be fun to watch.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 11, 2009 at 18:58:41 ]

Dont' get yourselves all worked up by JoeCool's claims; he doesn't really believe what he writes. Can't you see, he possesses the classic narcissist personality, craving to be the center of attention. His 20 postings in this thread are aimed at keeping the focus on himself, and he is quite successful at it. He is much too smart to believe what he writes about Alex. He is intentionally provoking you.

Originally posted by excelsior:
Dont' get yourselves all worked up by JoeCool's claims; he doesn't really believe what he writes. Can't you see, he possesses the classic narcissist personality, craving to be the center of attention. His 20 postings in this thread are aimed at keeping the focus on himself, and he is quite successful at it. He is much too smart to believe what he writes about Alex. He is intentionally provoking you.

Joe Cool lost a lot of respect from me lately, dude is just spamming.