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Problem With Our Niner Fans

Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Niner fans are generally winers

I dont really blame them because we have like 7 straight losing seasons........... butt this is the first year where we actually have many bright spots

research the history of this team, winning is the only thing that matter around here

Dunno King, I think this concept is ahh, a little vague round this site. Seems like some completions by the QB finally are enough to make everyone think we is goin to de promised land..

You gotta admire thier optimism though, right?

What good does it do to whine and b***h on a message board? It's not like anyone that matters is going to read your post and see what an obvious football genius you are.
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
you have got to understand football... If you watch the tape, alex can throw the ball as accurately as anyone in the league.. hes confident, poised, and playing just as good as people like tony romo. hes only 25 years old and comming off 2 years of no play.. dont be one of those idiot fans that are "what have you done for me lately" fans. then people go and blame smith for being 2-4, when he has become the bright spot on our team. Can you blame smith in GB and IND when our defense couldn't get the ball back with 6 mins to go in the 4th QTR? Can you blame smith in Seattle when he drove it all the way down and then gore fumbled, got the ball back and drove it again to have two passes dropped by his recievers? sing said it perfectly defending alex as he said "Its not like alex can throw the ball and go catch it too". Cool stat alert " alex smith has thrown over 90 or 100 passes w/out a pick."

Then people say things like "well frank gore is obsolete in the spread"

Trust me, singltary wants to run the ball. But lets face it. we cant. Take away frank gore big runs and we have the worst rushing attack in the league so can you blame them for not going to the air? we rushed 9 times for about 27 yards for another 3 yard per carry average day. If the o-line can guard for him, we will run the ball. Coach Sing SEES that we cannot block upfront with anyone, thus will not run the ball on 3rd or 4th and 1's. DO you blame him?? Hes MOVING the chains alot more consistently with Alex, and hes sticking to it.

Even though Sing is under a lot of scrutiny, I dont blame for it. These guys are NFL players not little kids, so they should be able to do a lateral when he tells them to. maybe it wasnt the best call, but when you have idiots back there that dont know how to do a simple lateral, the blame goes on the coach. wow.... If that would have worked, all of you people would be praising it. When me and my buddies play we do them all the time and they work lol.. im not comparing us to the NFL but all im saying is that there is no reason why you cant do a lateral in OPEN FIELD and then cant recover a fumble in OPEN FIELD either.

Good post. I wish I could watch film on the niners but all I have are the games and unfortunately you can't pick up everything with the network coverage. It's too iffy. I would have to be in the film room and that would be a lot of fun.

To expand on Gore for a second I really think it doesn't matter whether he is in the gun or not. The guy is a stud and probably the best blocking back in the NFL. I think we need to learn how to get him involved a little more with our limitations with the line.

I do blame Sing for a lot of mishaps with clock management but he is a young coach(six years) and will learn a great deal during the off season on the finer points of the game he missed. I do however love the fact that Sing decided to go after the Seahawks without hesitation to take the crowd out of it early. It just didn't work. Had it worked we'd all be whistling a different tune.

The bottom line is Sing is operating a chess board without his favorite piece(and O line to run block). Still, when we get that taken care of I hope we continue spreading the formation out and running out of single back instead of the I.

thank you.. good repost lol.. Gore is a stud and should be able to do anything we tell him...

Is it me or is gore runing into piles lately? watching the game i saw a big opening to the left but instead he ran right into his line... I think he might need to change up his running style because our line is incapable of opening up holes for him lmao..

I don't think you want to get Barlow feet when you hit the hole. Frank expects the hole to be open. In the long term I don't want him to be looking to bounce it out because he won't hit the hole as fast. He does run into piles but man does he hit them quickly.

lmao..... barlow feet

I noticed that too, I was like..."did he not see that hole? or was he expecting someting else to open?

it has seemed like he just gets the ball and bang he runs into chilo, or bass....

It's going to be awfully tough for gore to get 1000 yards this year...He'll have to average over 100 yds a game to do it...and considering the last few...I think it's not probable...which sucks, because he just doesn't get any carries...

even last week he had a 3.0 carry average, which isn't terrible...
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
you have got to understand football... If you watch the tape, alex can throw the ball as accurately as anyone in the league.. hes confident, poised, and playing just as good as people like tony romo. hes only 25 years old and comming off 2 years of no play.. dont be one of those idiot fans that are "what have you done for me lately" fans. then people go and blame smith for being 2-4, when he has become the bright spot on our team. Can you blame smith in GB and IND when our defense couldn't get the ball back with 6 mins to go in the 4th QTR? Can you blame smith in Seattle when he drove it all the way down and then gore fumbled, got the ball back and drove it again to have two passes dropped by his recievers? sing said it perfectly defending alex as he said "Its not like alex can throw the ball and go catch it too". Cool stat alert " alex smith has thrown over 90 or 100 passes w/out a pick."

Then people say things like "well frank gore is obsolete in the spread"

Trust me, singltary wants to run the ball. But lets face it. we cant. Take away frank gore big runs and we have the worst rushing attack in the league so can you blame them for not going to the air? we rushed 9 times for about 27 yards for another 3 yard per carry average day. If the o-line can guard for him, we will run the ball. Coach Sing SEES that we cannot block upfront with anyone, thus will not run the ball on 3rd or 4th and 1's. DO you blame him?? Hes MOVING the chains alot more consistently with Alex, and hes sticking to it.

Even though Sing is under a lot of scrutiny, I dont blame for it. These guys are NFL players not little kids, so they should be able to do a lateral when he tells them to. maybe it wasnt the best call, but when you have idiots back there that dont know how to do a simple lateral, the blame goes on the coach. wow.... If that would have worked, all of you people would be praising it. When me and my buddies play we do them all the time and they work lol.. im not comparing us to the NFL but all im saying is that there is no reason why you cant do a lateral in OPEN FIELD and then cant recover a fumble in OPEN FIELD either.

Good post. I wish I could watch film on the niners but all I have are the games and unfortunately you can't pick up everything with the network coverage. It's too iffy. I would have to be in the film room and that would be a lot of fun.

To expand on Gore for a second I really think it doesn't matter whether he is in the gun or not. The guy is a stud and probably the best blocking back in the NFL. I think we need to learn how to get him involved a little more with our limitations with the line.

I do blame Sing for a lot of mishaps with clock management but he is a young coach(six years) and will learn a great deal during the off season on the finer points of the game he missed. I do however love the fact that Sing decided to go after the Seahawks without hesitation to take the crowd out of it early. It just didn't work. Had it worked we'd all be whistling a different tune.

The bottom line is Sing is operating a chess board without his favorite piece(and O line to run block). Still, when we get that taken care of I hope we continue spreading the formation out and running out of single back instead of the I.

thank you.. good repost lol.. Gore is a stud and should be able to do anything we tell him...

Is it me or is gore runing into piles lately? watching the game i saw a big opening to the left but instead he ran right into his line... I think he might need to change up his running style because our line is incapable of opening up holes for him lmao..

I don't think you want to get Barlow feet when you hit the hole. Frank expects the hole to be open. In the long term I don't want him to be looking to bounce it out because he won't hit the hole as fast. He does run into piles but man does he hit them quickly.

lmao..... barlow feet

I noticed that too, I was like..."did he not see that hole? or was he expecting someting else to open?

it has seemed like he just gets the ball and bang he runs into chilo, or bass....

It's going to be awfully tough for gore to get 1000 yards this year...He'll have to average over 100 yds a game to do it...and considering the last few...I think it's not probable...which sucks, because he just doesn't get any carries...

even last week he had a 3.0 carry average, which isn't terrible...

but its not good either.. were used to a 5 yard per carry RB.. The irony is that we lose our running game when we get our passing game...
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Niner fans are generally winers

I dont really blame them because we have like 7 straight losing seasons........... butt this is the first year where we actually have many bright spots

research the history of this team, winning is the only thing that matter around here

Dunno King, I think this concept is ahh, a little vague round this site. Seems like some completions by the QB finally are enough to make everyone think we is goin to de promised land..

You gotta admire thier optimism though, right?

What good does it do to whine and b***h on a message board? It's not like anyone that matters is going to read your post and see what an obvious football genius you are.

Circle-jerking FTW!
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by Spoonerism:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
you have got to understand football... If you watch the tape, alex can throw the ball as accurately as anyone in the league.. hes confident, poised, and playing just as good as people like tony romo. hes only 25 years old and comming off 2 years of no play.. dont be one of those idiot fans that are "what have you done for me lately" fans. then people go and blame smith for being 2-4, when he has become the bright spot on our team. Can you blame smith in GB and IND when our defense couldn't get the ball back with 6 mins to go in the 4th QTR? Can you blame smith in Seattle when he drove it all the way down and then gore fumbled, got the ball back and drove it again to have two passes dropped by his recievers? sing said it perfectly defending alex as he said "Its not like alex can throw the ball and go catch it too". Cool stat alert " alex smith has thrown over 90 or 100 passes w/out a pick."

Then people say things like "well frank gore is obsolete in the spread"

Trust me, singltary wants to run the ball. But lets face it. we cant. Take away frank gore big runs and we have the worst rushing attack in the league so can you blame them for not going to the air? we rushed 9 times for about 27 yards for another 3 yard per carry average day. If the o-line can guard for him, we will run the ball. Coach Sing SEES that we cannot block upfront with anyone, thus will not run the ball on 3rd or 4th and 1's. DO you blame him?? Hes MOVING the chains alot more consistently with Alex, and hes sticking to it.

Even though Sing is under a lot of scrutiny, I dont blame for it. These guys are NFL players not little kids, so they should be able to do a lateral when he tells them to. maybe it wasnt the best call, but when you have idiots back there that dont know how to do a simple lateral, the blame goes on the coach. wow.... If that would have worked, all of you people would be praising it. When me and my buddies play we do them all the time and they work lol.. im not comparing us to the NFL but all im saying is that there is no reason why you cant do a lateral in OPEN FIELD and then cant recover a fumble in OPEN FIELD either.

Good post. I wish I could watch film on the niners but all I have are the games and unfortunately you can't pick up everything with the network coverage. It's too iffy. I would have to be in the film room and that would be a lot of fun.

To expand on Gore for a second I really think it doesn't matter whether he is in the gun or not. The guy is a stud and probably the best blocking back in the NFL. I think we need to learn how to get him involved a little more with our limitations with the line.

I do blame Sing for a lot of mishaps with clock management but he is a young coach(six years) and will learn a great deal during the off season on the finer points of the game he missed. I do however love the fact that Sing decided to go after the Seahawks without hesitation to take the crowd out of it early. It just didn't work. Had it worked we'd all be whistling a different tune.

The bottom line is Sing is operating a chess board without his favorite piece(and O line to run block). Still, when we get that taken care of I hope we continue spreading the formation out and running out of single back instead of the I.

thank you.. good repost lol.. Gore is a stud and should be able to do anything we tell him...

Is it me or is gore runing into piles lately? watching the game i saw a big opening to the left but instead he ran right into his line... I think he might need to change up his running style because our line is incapable of opening up holes for him lmao..

I don't think you want to get Barlow feet when you hit the hole. Frank expects the hole to be open. In the long term I don't want him to be looking to bounce it out because he won't hit the hole as fast. He does run into piles but man does he hit them quickly.

lmao..... barlow feet

I noticed that too, I was like..."did he not see that hole? or was he expecting someting else to open?

it has seemed like he just gets the ball and bang he runs into chilo, or bass....

It's going to be awfully tough for gore to get 1000 yards this year...He'll have to average over 100 yds a game to do it...and considering the last few...I think it's not probable...which sucks, because he just doesn't get any carries...

even last week he had a 3.0 carry average, which isn't terrible...

but its not good either.. were used to a 5 yard per carry RB.. The irony is that we lose our running game when we get our passing game...

What makes it ironic is that we CAN run from the Spread but there doesn't seem to be anyone with imagination to draw it up.

~Ceadder
Based on Paraage's analysis, Alex absolutely represents the value in the league, his price/performance is head and shoulder above other franchise QBs.

The ownership and senior management are delighted with Paraag's report and that Alex is finally playing up to his pay grade.

Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Niner fans are generally winers

I dont really blame them because we have like 7 straight losing seasons........... butt this is the first year where we actually have many bright spots

research the history of this team, winning is the only thing that matter around here

Dunno King, I think this concept is ahh, a little vague round this site. Seems like some completions by the QB finally are enough to make everyone think we is goin to de promised land..

You gotta admire thier optimism though, right?

What good does it do to whine and b***h on a message board? It's not like anyone that matters is going to read your post and see what an obvious football genius you are.

Circle-jerking FTW!

Amen to inflated senses of self importance!
I don't know who "our" Niner fans are but...

Niner fans I see here are often overly defensive about their "special" players they root for, and because they get caught up in a debates they want to win, all objectivity goes out the window when talking about those players.

Niner fans I know personally are more objective & can criticize or praise the same player depending on whether they are playing well or in a non productive funk. They don't have a dog in this fight of "my guy versus your guy" for starter. Once you make those kinds of proclimations, or align yourself to a "side", then you are no longer objective as a fan.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't know who "our" Niner fans are but...

Niner fans I see here are often overly defensive about their "special" players they root for, and because they get caught up in a debates they want to win, all objectivity goes out the window when talking about those players.

Niner fans I know personally are more objective & can criticize or praise the same player depending on whether they are playing well or in a non productive funk. They don't have a dog in this fight of "my guy versus your guy" for starter. Once you make those kinds of proclimations, or align yourself to a "side", then you are no longer objective as a fan.

LOL and it's so true!

Ah, but every generational fanbase is like this, it's hard to believe but I actually remember back in 1985 when Dwight Clark mega fans were looking for excuses to shun Jerry Rice on his opening rookie tenor, labeling Rice a waste of draft picks (for moving up to snatch him the first round) before Jerry had actually started to 'catch' on with things. -Clark vs Rice fans... a silent squabble that fizzled out quick into 1986.

I dunno, overall though all fans are like this with whatever team they root for, and it usually happens when you're a losing team without a star option, or a star player that never shows enough consistency to win over the fanbase (like McNabb in Philly).
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by Ninerman49:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Niner fans are generally winers

I dont really blame them because we have like 7 straight losing seasons........... butt this is the first year where we actually have many bright spots

research the history of this team, winning is the only thing that matter around here

I remember the years right before Walsh when Joe Thomas was put in charge (by a young Eddie D no less) and the team was a disastor. He ran the Niners into the ground. The Niners won a total of seven or eight games during his two seasons. The most notable thing he did was give up a high first-rounder for a washed-up O.J. Simpson. Some of you may remember that there were crowds of about 30,000 to 35,000 at the Stick during these years. You could pick up a scalp for $5.00.

Then Walsh came in and the Niners went 8-24 over his first two seasons. We had back to back 2-14 seasons spanning Thomas' last season and Walsh's first. But that second season under Walsh, when the Niners went 6-10, it looked like this team maybe had the chance to contend for the playoffs in the year future. Of course, it exceeded expectations. That is part of the Niners history as well. I attended probably about 90% of the home games then so I got to suffer through it.

Doesn't winning matter everywhere? Other teams have fallen on hard times after having illustrious histories? Winning matters to Bill fans and Redskin fans I'm sure. But it doesn't always work like that. Though the Niners under the Yorks have compounded the problems, they had to pay the bill that was run up by Eddie and Policy in the 90s. They did it to win. But they mortaged the future doing it.

I'm disappointed that this year has not turned out as well as many of us would have liked. But I am heartened by the fact that we seem to have a bunch of offensive players who are young and are emerging at the same time. With a good draft, maybe a couple of smart free-agent pick-ups and some continuity this team might be really good in the near future. In 77, 78, and 79, I didn't have much hope for the future of the Niners. In 80, despite a 6-10 record, I started believing this team just might be pretty good in the future. Kind of like how I feel now.

This, my friend, is a great post. Sums it up perfectly. The Niners are on the verge of being a very good team. As far as the platitudes about, "winning is the only thing that matters around here", it's just that, a platitude.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't know who "our" Niner fans are but...

Niner fans I see here are often overly defensive about their "special" players they root for, and because they get caught up in a debates they want to win, all objectivity goes out the window when talking about those players.

Niner fans I know personally are more objective & can criticize or praise the same player depending on whether they are playing well or in a non productive funk. They don't have a dog in this fight of "my guy versus your guy" for starter. Once you make those kinds of proclimations, or align yourself to a "side", then you are no longer objective as a fan.

POTD
Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't know who "our" Niner fans are but...

Niner fans I see here are often overly defensive about their "special" players they root for, and because they get caught up in a debates they want to win, all objectivity goes out the window when talking about those players.

Niner fans I know personally are more objective & can criticize or praise the same player depending on whether they are playing well or in a non productive funk. They don't have a dog in this fight of "my guy versus your guy" for starter. Once you make those kinds of proclimations, or align yourself to a "side", then you are no longer objective as a fan.
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Regarding the lateral, that's 100% on Singletary & Everest.

Everest called the play without Singletary's knowledge. That shouldn't happen.

Players who have been unreliable in the return game (in Jones & Batte) were asked to run a high-risk trick play. That shouldn't happen.

Blame the players? Yes, but I also blame the coaches for such a stupid idea.

dont hate on Mt. Everest. hes kept our special teams consistent enough during our down years that we didnt have to suffer through THREE horrible units at least.
Like you I remember when Eddie took over thinking he knew everything. Promptly raised season tickets prices so we could watch a 2-14 team along with 30-35,000 other fans.

Many forget that Policy and Clark had a win now mentality and they left this team in shambles when they went to Cleveland. Our cap situation was horrible and the only way to fix it was to go through cap hell for 2 years. Donahue promptly screwed us up again with the cap situation and to top it off drafted horrible players such as Reggie McGrew, Rashuan Woods, and many other 1st round bust.

McCloughlin took over essentially a start up franchise. We had Rattay at QB, Barlow at RB, can’t even remember our TE or WR. Heitmann was the lone OL that was a NFL quality player. On defense we were literally taking guys off the street, putting them in a uniform and playing them. McCloughlin and the front office have had to spend the last 5 years literally building this team from scratch and two of those years 2004-05 under cap restraints. Currently we have the 5th best run defense in the NFL, a pro bowl TE, RB (not being used), K, ILB, NT. A rookie WR showing signs of a bright future and (crossing my fingers) a QB who appears to have NFL talent. We have several additional players who are good-excellent, (Justin Smith comes to mind) players and if on a winning team would be considered for the pro bowl.

In the upcoming draft we can fix the OL, secondary and get a pass rushing DE.
We fix those areas give the offense another year in the same systems there is absolutely no excuse for not making the playoffs. In fact if we do not make the playoffs then you fire McCloughlin, Sing, and Raye. Mankusky to if the passing defense does not improve dramatically.