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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

Yep. And it doesnt stop there. Steve Young has hinted plenty-o-times of Alex's deficiencies. Rice came out and called him a bust, only to retract his comments.

When it comes to quarterbacking, it's not that complicated. You either have it or you dont. Flacco and Ryan have it, and now they're succeeding in their offenses. Rodgers has it, and he's playing up to par with a horrible oline. But when you're a quarterback that needs everything to be picture perfect in order to properly execute a play.......you dont have it !

I dont see why thats so hard to see....

I don't think asking your Oline to help keep you upright the majority of the time is asking too much. Alex was making plays in the second half of the GB game despite being on his rear end all afternoon.
[ Edited by GBNinerFan on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Dino:
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Matt Ryan has Roddy White, Tony Gonz at TE and Turner at RB...he's 5-5? thanks for coming out brains.

yeah, it's all matt ryans fault that their 5-5. thanks for coming out brains.

Just as much Alex's fault we're 4-6. The QB always get too much blame for losing, and too much credit for winning.
My apologies to any actual 49er fans who like to talk football rather then bash our top performers who keep us in games. If you'd like to discuss why our defense can't get off the field, why they gave up over 5 yards a carry to Grant, why they gave up 4 drives of 60+ yards in the first half alone and realize that any of the above have nothing to do with our quarterback. I'd be happy to discuss the actual points to why we lost the game with you. Love my niners cheers
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher


Troll.

And, Merril Hodge has had one too many concussions to even think straight. I'll trust what the majority of the experts are starting to say rather than two has beens.
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

Hey didn't those guys also say JTO was a #1 QB and someone to built a franchise around?
And wheren't you leading the parade?

NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!!

So anything you say about a QB should/will be questioned!
So the fact that you are a complete 180 about AS compared to JTO can only mean that Alex will be great
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
I would blow this whole team up, Fire every coach, dump Smith n Hill, rebuild the OL keep Staley get rid of every overweight slob who blocks for s**t. Lose the digit system, big n slow OL guys & go back to what made us winners in the WCO n Mckittrick type players on teh OL with a ZBS. Lighter faster guys who can move not these fat monsters who stand no chance in protecting the QB or opening up any lanes for teh ground game. Id get rid of any defensive coach who still wants to stick with the 3-4 mistake. Id go back again to what made us winners with top Ds year after year the 4-3. Id fire Scotty McClueless with extreme prejudice as imho hes hit Donahue status. This team in its current state needs drastic change if we ever wanna be something more than a 7-9 5-11 team. We are not close to being a playoff team. Not even close. We just dont have the coaching or players to even be so and its pretty damn obvious we dont. Its time to blow s**t up n start over from the GM down. Next years draft is imho to have Scotty waste and for Sing n Co to under coach. Jed needs to call his uncle and have him run this team until Jed knows wtf hes doing.

I am glad you are not in charge... We are closer than you think, blowing the whole team up would set us back 3 years at least.

I love this comment on the zone. You are glad he is NOT in charge. I guess that means as opposed to who IS in charge huh? How many years is the drought now?
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

Hey didn't those guys also say JTO was a #1 QB and someone to built a franchise around?
And wheren't you leading the parade?

NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!!

So anything you say about a QB should/will be questioned!
So the fact that you are a complete 180 about AS compared to JTO can only mean that Alex will be great

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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

And dont forget Cool, the number one factor. You completely despise AS. So.

No, I am one who understand the fact that the key reason we keep standing still in terms of wins for the last 5 years has been QB, but no one sees the fact that we are asking a WHOLE lot from 21 players on the team including all coaches to accomodate one player who has been in this league for 5 years.

Isn't that what we used to say about Shaun Hill? He's been in the league for 5 years so you get what you see?

Same thing goes for Manny Lawson.

See what i mean thats what im saying, and just think about what im saying. Here it is second half of the season. And YOUR STILL BRINGING HILL INTO CONVERSATIONS.

I mean this is a forum, and ur right to ur own opinion as am I, however, I mean u just keep knocking on this Hill thing. I mean it's worse than those that STILL TALK ABOUT bringin in Davis.

And one thing u are forgetting. There are 21 other players on the team, and your the only one focusing on one. he doesnt play D, so how is that effecting them. When they dont stop on 3 and outs, that aint Alex its the D. When a receiver doesnt get open, it's the WR. Now dont get me wrong, he is no one near perfect, however, YOUR THE ONE every week, just pointin out Alex things of negativity. You never talk about how bad the oline is, how bad the d is sometimes. Every week in and week out, YOU YOURSELF actually make it about one person. so in that sense that why i say what i do, cause u have yet to adress a team issue. Its always a personal issue with smith. Thats what im saying, and i dont know why it's there.

I only bring up the QB because teams around the league get by with these other issues but rarely does a team get by with a QB that isn't effective making mistakes. Look at DET, their OL sucked yet their QB still does good things. There are manny teams with subpar OL who still have success on offense. No one will get until we have a probowl offense and still can't mister up a consistent passing game. We had a dominating OL in 2006 but our coaches couldn't figure out how to hide Kwame by giving him help which is why strategy plays a big factor also. Fact is, be it Hill or Smith, our passing game has rarely helped us control a game.

What kool-aid are you drinking? Our offensive line was terrible in '06. We were the three-and-out kings. Yes Frank Gore broke off quite a few big runs. (Take away the time Gore missed this year with injuries and he'd be pretty close to '06, but a few big runs doesn't a consistent run game make!) But there were lots of stuffed up running plays just like this year and the pass blocking was horrible!

I agree with your basic point, just not your rose-colored glasses about the past.
Bring in Urban Meyers to coach the niners and maybe he can get alex smith to play how he did in Utah... that'll solve all our concerns
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

And dont forget Cool, the number one factor. You completely despise AS. So.

He is a full of it on top of that...JTO and Hill were going to lead us to the promised land...remember?
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

And dont forget Cool, the number one factor. You completely despise AS. So.

He is a full of it on top of that...JTO and Hill were going to lead us to the promised land...remember?

Just shows you what he knows about QB play
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Originally posted by danimal:

I love this comment on the zone. You are glad he is NOT in charge. I guess that means as opposed to who IS in charge huh? How many years is the drought now?

Raye? Running the offense according to Sing's philosophy. When Sing tells Raye to go for it he unleashes it.

Singletary. He inherited a terrible team and has made a big difference.

Yorks? They have lots of the blame but I like what Jed York is trying to do.

McBoo Foo? I wouldn't be upset if we got rid of him.
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Oh, and it's not the spread that makes Alex successful. Sing is right about that. It's playing from the shotgun.

We run a great many two TE sets even under shotgun and Alex is still better.
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Originally posted by bret:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I will take the word of a guy who watches countless coach's film over any report who only watches live game and looks at stats and Chris Carter.

Merril Hodge said Alex doesn't have it. This guy analyzes games more than anyone and is very credibile. Jaws seems to believe that Alex is missing a lot of things also.

However, our key issues are this:

1. QB
2. OL (mainly injuries)
3. Edge Rusher

And dont forget Cool, the number one factor. You completely despise AS. So.

No, I am one who understand the fact that the key reason we keep standing still in terms of wins for the last 5 years has been QB, but no one sees the fact that we are asking a WHOLE lot from 21 players on the team including all coaches to accomodate one player who has been in this league for 5 years.

Isn't that what we used to say about Shaun Hill? He's been in the league for 5 years so you get what you see?

Same thing goes for Manny Lawson.

See what i mean thats what im saying, and just think about what im saying. Here it is second half of the season. And YOUR STILL BRINGING HILL INTO CONVERSATIONS.

I mean this is a forum, and ur right to ur own opinion as am I, however, I mean u just keep knocking on this Hill thing. I mean it's worse than those that STILL TALK ABOUT bringin in Davis.

And one thing u are forgetting. There are 21 other players on the team, and your the only one focusing on one. he doesnt play D, so how is that effecting them. When they dont stop on 3 and outs, that aint Alex its the D. When a receiver doesnt get open, it's the WR. Now dont get me wrong, he is no one near perfect, however, YOUR THE ONE every week, just pointin out Alex things of negativity. You never talk about how bad the oline is, how bad the d is sometimes. Every week in and week out, YOU YOURSELF actually make it about one person. so in that sense that why i say what i do, cause u have yet to adress a team issue. Its always a personal issue with smith. Thats what im saying, and i dont know why it's there.

I only bring up the QB because teams around the league get by with these other issues but rarely does a team get by with a QB that isn't effective making mistakes. Look at DET, their OL sucked yet their QB still does good things. There are manny teams with subpar OL who still have success on offense. No one will get until we have a probowl offense and still can't mister up a consistent passing game. We had a dominating OL in 2006 but our coaches couldn't figure out how to hide Kwame by giving him help which is why strategy plays a big factor also. Fact is, be it Hill or Smith, our passing game has rarely helped us control a game.

What kool-aid are you drinking? Our offensive line was terrible in '06. We were the three-and-out kings. Yes Frank Gore broke off quite a few big runs. (Take away the time Gore missed this year with injuries and he'd be pretty close to '06, but a few big runs doesn't a consistent run game make!) But there were lots of stuffed up running plays just like this year and the pass blocking was horrible!

I agree with your basic point, just not your rose-colored glasses about the past.


Ummm.......hello ? We had a lot of 3-and-outs in 2006 because of ALEX SMITH, not because of our line ! You just answered your own question. No production on offense in 06 with a good oline. No production in offense in 09 with a poor oline. Both teams have a decent Frank Gore. Common denominator in all this: ALEX SMITH.

Way to be. You just used basic algebra to solve an equation.
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Matt Ryan has it? Joe Flacco has it? NO they really don't Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, they have it. Quit with the bulls**t Smith is playing just as good as Ryan and Flacco do you even watch football? When your offensive line gives you an average of 2-3 seconds to throw, your defense gives up 5 6+minute 60+ yard drives in the first half alone? Then you go out against all odds and throw 3 touchdowns against a top defense who knows your passing to get in the game and is blitzing you non stop and you still put up 21 points in the half yes your pretty impressive. The defense had the chance to play a part and regain their stature for getting ripped APART all game when the Packers got the ball back with 6 minutes left and we could NOT get them off the field if our lives depended on it. That game was not on Smith, it was BECAUSE OF SMITH that we were in the game go learn something about football IT drives me insane how STUPID some people are.

Yeah, good one. Smith is playing as well as Flacco and Ryan ? Get real, bro. Smith is not at their level, and the sooner you people realize this (including the coaching staff), the sooner we get to being a contender again. I find it laughable that you guys can actually pin Smith in as a viable QB; as if he could imitate the same game that Ryan had against us if he was given the same situation. Yeah right.

I bet you're one of the proud that gives him a "B" grade, right ? Not close enough to be an "A" (Brady, Manning, Favre), but close enough.

Flacco and Ryan are just like Smith, unproven. Last year ATL didn't ask Ryan to win games for him, they just took advantage of the talent around him. This year, with ATL putting more on Ryan's shoulders, he has struggled. Last year, Flacco's years was close to Smith in 2006, it was just Flacco had better talent. This year when the Ravens lean on Flacco (except for the SD game), they have lose. I'm not saying Smith is the savior. He might be and he might not be. But don't boost up Ryan and Flacco higher than they should be.