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General time to throw a ball

Originally posted by smileyman:
Originally posted by Joecool:


Smith still telegraphs his throw. That messed up quick pass to Gore when Gore was at WR on the left side, Smith got the ball, took a little hop to set his feet but he did that in Gore's direction and then he cocked to make the throw. By this time, the play was already sniffed out and Gore had no chance at RAC.

This was the attempted screen? Heitmann also missed a key block on this one. He and Wragge were double-teaming a guy. Wragge let go so he could get in front of Gore for blocking (like he was supposed to), and Heitmann got beat badly. If Heitmann keeps his block on that play it might be a different story.

No, that's a different one. This one was near the endzone and the DB read it as Smith took that step towards Gore AND then telegraphed his throw. It was Gore and Crabtree on the same side, I think. No linemen. It was just a "quick" pass. We already know Smith has issues with Quick passes.
Brotha cool, my man. Whats goin on.

Now for starters i love when people say they watch the game over and over, and notice this or that. Like we are the coordinators or the coaches. When you talk of Aaron, make sure you scratch the 3 seconds because on some of the plays, actually most, he had almost from 3 to 5 seconds to throw the ball. and not too mention that his o-line which is the worst in the league, played their best.

When we talk about letting the ball go, i understand the second clock, but check this out. Someone asked Matt M., does he think its just that Smith isnt ready, and was he the only fan that thought smith didnt make reads, or see the field.

Matts, response was which i loved was, Well imma be honest in the first half there was a drive where Smith just didnt see Morgan and he was open. And there were a few times that smith did miss reads. Then right at the end he said, Dont forget another factor, That throughout the game, Crabtree, and Morgan, and VD got no separation, and didnt break free from the defense.

Now you see how a fan, probably Alex biased asked just about the one thing. and you see how Matt adressed his question but also added the other factors into why the niners werent successful.

I just say i aint mad at your post however. i just dont see the point in making it because we all know you Hate Alex Smith anyway, so of course your gonna put extra film time in, and study what you feel he did wrong. But i will tell you this. no one in this forum, whether they rewatch the game or not. Sits there with a stopwatch and says, 2.5 seconds. and if they do, you have a little too much time on your hands.

So you see, he misses some reads because of himself, the throwing lanes arent open, the receivers arent getting open, and the line isnt giving him enough time to see down the field. If you watched the GB game, how come you didnt comment when the announcers said more than 4 times throughout the Game, if the line just gave alex a little more time, he could of scanned the field and seen the open receiver.

I just say how can you make an honest post. When you've never said anything positive about the kid, and its publicly known you dont like him. You could probably create a hundred threads about his face, his hair, his wife. I mean just any little thing that bugs you.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
How long does Roethlisberger hold onto the ball? Not all good QB's get the ball out consistently under 3 secs.

Ummm, but he's a big strong boy who can generally shake off tacklers. How often do you see him get away from tacklers and still complete his passes. More than most QB's.

The biggest problem with Alex is that he still hasn't gotten used to the speed of the NFL and that he thinks too much. His reaction time is slow compared to the more proficient QB's in the NFL who can sense danger and quickly finds an alternate.

That's also why he does better in the shotgun formation, because he has just a bit more time and don't feel as rushed.

Perhaps with experience he will learn this, but his time if getting short.
[ Edited by Kauaiguy on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:51 AM ]
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To be honest, when I compare the 2009 version of Alex Smith to his earlier years, I see a lot of improvement. How often did you see him in the past have some easy throw that he hurries and totally misses the receiver? I now see a much more smooth delivery, although granted leading the receiver better would be better. Alex seems to have developed some touch on his passes, because the receivers are dropping a lot less.

He does need to develop a better job at reading defenses and making quicker decisions, but even in those areas, I think he has improved significantly over where he has been in the past. Right now, I consider Alex a mediocre QB. Good enough to win if the rest of the team does their part. I also think that Alex will continue to get better that he can be a better than average QB if he gets an OL that can keep him upright.
Did he really just say Rodgers and Smith had the same kind of time to throw the ball LMFAO you sure you watch football on a regular basis. Rodgers got sacked twice all game and had a pocket to throw out of hence him running out of the pocket about 3 times all game. He rarely got touched or *tapped* as you put it let alone hit. He was sacked TWICE. Smith was flushed out of the pocket often, got hit about 10-11 times was sacked 3 times and still put up 3 touchdowns to 1 interception (which while he might never admit it, was on Davis not Smith = 5 minute penalty for ducking)

He also threw 7 times in the first half because the defense gave up 4 60 yard 5 minute drives, yes that adds up to about the 300+ yards they put up on our *not to blame* defense to go with their domination of time of possession.

Go learn something about football before you respond please you're a joke.
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Did he really just say Rodgers and Smith had the same kind of time to throw the ball LMFAO you sure you watch football on a regular basis. Rodgers got sacked twice all game and had a pocket to throw out of hence him running out of the pocket about 3 times all game. He rarely got touched or *tapped* as you put it let alone hit. He was sacked TWICE. Smith was flushed out of the pocket often, got hit about 10-11 times was sacked 3 times and still put up 3 touchdowns to 1 interception (which while he might never admit it, was on Davis not Smith = 5 minute penalty for ducking)

He also threw 7 times in the first half because the defense gave up 4 60 yard 5 minute drives, yes that adds up to about the 300+ yards they put up on our *not to blame* defense to go with their domination of time of possession.

Go learn something about football before you respond please you're a joke.

Why don't you go back and watch the game. Calling me a joke when you entirely misundterstood the concept I'm trying to point out to you. Rodgers threw the ball far before 3 seconds. There were quite a few completions he threw at 2 seconds. Yes, he had a couple of 4 second pass blocking but Smith had one 4 seconds also.

You seriously need to understand the simple fact that in the NFL, if the QB takes 3 seconds before he makes his decision, then it is the QBs fault.

Why don't you take a look at most of Smith's completions...3 seconds is not needed and is normally not allowed to any QB.

But you won't understand until we have a probowl OL and still give up a lot of sacks.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM ]
3 seconds? IF the qb doesn't throw the ball within 3 seconds it's his fault? So when the receivers get jammed or don't get seperation and he has to hold on to the ball it's on the qb? Ya you just answered your own question as to why I called you out. Thanks come again.
Originally posted by Thrash88:
3 seconds? IF the qb doesn't throw the ball within 3 seconds it's his fault? So when the receivers get jammed or don't get seperation and he has to hold on to the ball it's on the qb? Ya you just answered your own question as to why I called you out. Thanks come again.

Yet a lot have reported that Alex missed open receivers.

Thanks, don't come at all.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Thrash88:
3 seconds? IF the qb doesn't throw the ball within 3 seconds it's his fault? So when the receivers get jammed or don't get seperation and he has to hold on to the ball it's on the qb? Ya you just answered your own question as to why I called you out. Thanks come again.

Yet a lot have reported that Alex missed open receivers.

Thanks, don't come at all.

He missed Morgan on one of his 7 attempts in the first half? Until he costs us a game quit pointing the finger I understand you're mad because we are 4-6 and I am too but he is not the reason believe it or not. He is a bright spot as in he is putting points on the board. We have put up 20 points a game with him starting and thats pretty damn good and if the defense could hold up we'd have alot more W's. Alot more goes into this then just Smith, he's doing his part it's time for the rest of the offense to do theirs. Including the coaches.
Originally posted by Thrash88:
He missed Morgan on one of his 7 attempts in the first half? Until he costs us a game quit pointing the finger I understand you're mad because we are 4-6 and I am too but he is not the reason believe it or not. He is a bright spot as in he is putting points on the board. We have put up 20 points a game with him starting and thats pretty damn good and if the defense could hold up we'd have alot more W's. Alot more goes into this then just Smith, he's doing his part it's time for the rest of the offense to do theirs. Including the coaches.

Titans game.
He still put points on the board it's not his fault his defense couldn't stop my grandma from scoring.
[ Edited by Thrash88 on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Let us get one thing straight, a QB should release the ball prior to or at the 3 second mark and most QBs do. I just rewatched the game and Rodgers had that ball out before 3 seconds on most of his completions.

Oldniner added it up and Smith gets quite a few of 2.8 seconds to throw a ball.

If you get MORE than 3 seconds, then you line is dominating. Most QBs get the ball out before 3 seconds hits.

Smith will get better but it's OK to admit that he's slow on his reads.

Lol Joe this is another crap post from you .
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
...Another Joecool biased hate on Alex thread...




Speaking the truth, you are.
nevermind
[ Edited by Dino on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM ]