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3rd and Inches Challenge

Originally posted by frenchmov:
are you guys stupid? this was a great use of the challenge. why?

1. it was a bad spot
2. we had NOTHING TO LOSE. we were going to take a timeout anyways at that point, why not have them take a look at the play? either way, the clock was stopped

i swear some people on this board have no football sense and have no concept regarding the context of certain calls/challenges.

What if we DIDN'T take a timeout then, but saved it for later? perhaps we could have forced a punt.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
are you guys stupid? this was a great use of the challenge. why?

1. it was a bad spot
2. we had NOTHING TO LOSE. we were going to take a timeout anyways at that point, why not have them take a look at the play? either way, the clock was stopped

i swear some people on this board have no football sense and have no concept regarding the context of certain calls/challenges.

[ Edited by YuNGaCE on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by crzy:
refs screwed us. The challenge was fine.
That's just sing being sing.
Relax.

We were out of options anyways thanks to the garbage tackling on the play before...and before that....and before that.
Defense should have stopped them a couple times on that drive. 5 minutes of clock and couldn't even get one stop? What a choke job.
Originally posted by dwy621:
Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
The niners were going to call a timeout to stop the clock anyways. It made no difference. I can't believe the annoucers didn't realize this. It's got a lot of fans talking about nothing. Singletary challenged to call because it wasn't going to hurt one way or another.

I thought the same thing too, but it looked like Rodgers might have fumbled the QB sneak on 4th down nd we didn't have a timeout to challenge the play.

In that fumble situation, could a non-call on a fumble be challenged? I know it could be challenged if the call was a fumble, but since it was never called a fumble (play whistled dead), could the niners even have challeged a non-called fumble?

People could be making a huge deal out of a complete non-issue if that is the case. Might be why no one in the media is even talking about it.
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
are you guys stupid? this was a great use of the challenge. why?

1. it was a bad spot
2. we had NOTHING TO LOSE. we were going to take a timeout anyways at that point, why not have them take a look at the play? either way, the clock was stopped

i swear some people on this board have no football sense and have no concept regarding the context of certain calls/challenges.

What if we DIDN'T take a timeout then, but saved it for later? perhaps we could have forced a punt.

Use it later? What and force them to kneel the ball 3 times instead of 2. He's right, that timeout wouldn't have matter in any which way.
You put yourself in this position, and things like this can happen to you. The Niners knew the Packers were going to run the ball the final six minutes of the game, and still couldn't stop them. It was a pathetic effort, and the consequence of their poor run defense was the possibility of a bad call like this emerging.
WOW!!!! Some people that post in here should not even be watching football let alone posting about something they know absolutely nothing about.

First of all had the 49ers not challenged the spot they still would have called the timeout with 2:32 remaining. So the packers still would have lined up and they would have ran the qb sneak and the 49ers would have still had their one challenge flag left in Sing's back pocket, BUT they would not have been able to challenge the fumble becasue they had NO TIMEOUTS LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

So by challenging the call they simply gave themselves a chance to kill to birds with one stone. Had the correct call been made on the challenge the ball would have been moved back to just inside the 50 yd line on the niners side, not where it was origanlly placed which was 2 feet closer just outside the niners 49 yd line. thus the qb sneak would have been stopped and the clock then would have stopped at the 2 min warning and the packers would have to decide if they want to punt or do they wanna go for it on 4th down. Unfortunately the refs didnt move the ball back and rodgers was able to sneak it far enough for the first down.

Now the 49ers ended up with the ball at the end of the qb sneak play claiming rodgers fumbled. But we couldnt challenge that he fumbled becasue we had no challenges left. And if we hadnt challenged the play prior WE STILL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHALLENGE THE FUMBLE BECAUSE WE STILL WOULD HAVE CALLED THE TIMEOUT WITH 2:32 AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR LAST TIMEOUT!!!!! Even if we hadnt called the timeout or used our challenge we wouldnt have been able to challenge the "fumble" because the packers would have ran the clock down to the 2 min warning before they tried the sneak.

so what sing did by challanging the spot was brilliant. Had the correct call been made then the 49ers are not charged a timeout and the ball is moved back 2+ feet and the qb sneak doesnt work. we call a timeout with abotu 2:20 on the clock and packers either gamble on a 4th down and go for it or they punt the ball and we have 2 mins to try to get the TD. Its that simple.
Originally posted by jarrod49:
WOW!!!! Some people that post in here should not even be watching football let alone posting about something they know absolutely nothing about.

First of all had the 49ers not challenged the spot they still would have called the timeout with 2:32 remaining. So the packers still would have lined up and they would have ran the qb sneak and the 49ers would have still had their one challenge flag left in Sing's back pocket, BUT they would not have been able to challenge the fumble becasue they had NO TIMEOUTS LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

So by challenging the call they simply gave themselves a chance to kill to birds with one stone. Had the correct call been made on the challenge the ball would have been moved back to just inside the 50 yd line on the niners side, not where it was origanlly placed which was 2 feet closer just outside the niners 49 yd line. thus the qb sneak would have been stopped and the clock then would have stopped at the 2 min warning and the packers would have to decide if they want to punt or do they wanna go for it on 4th down. Unfortunately the refs didnt move the ball back and rodgers was able to sneak it far enough for the first down.

Now the 49ers ended up with the ball at the end of the qb sneak play claiming rodgers fumbled. But we couldnt challenge that he fumbled becasue we had no challenges left. And if we hadnt challenged the play prior WE STILL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHALLENGE THE FUMBLE BECAUSE WE STILL WOULD HAVE CALLED THE TIMEOUT WITH 2:32 AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR LAST TIMEOUT!!!!! Even if we hadnt called the timeout or used our challenge we wouldnt have been able to challenge the "fumble" because the packers would have ran the clock down to the 2 min warning before they tried the sneak.

so what sing did by challanging the spot was brilliant. Had the correct call been made then the 49ers are not charged a timeout and the ball is moved back 2+ feet and the qb sneak doesnt work. we call a timeout with abotu 2:20 on the clock and packers either gamble on a 4th down and go for it or they punt the ball and we have 2 mins to try to get the TD. Its that simple.

Good post. Also they replayed the "supposed" fumble on tv and there was no evidence that he even fumbled. If you couldn't see the fumble in the replay then the call on the field could not be overturned.

Bottom line is, people on here want to complain and blame Sing for everything even if they don't have a vaild argument.
Originally posted by jarrod49:
WOW!!!! Some people that post in here should not even be watching football let alone posting about something they know absolutely nothing about.

First of all had the 49ers not challenged the spot they still would have called the timeout with 2:32 remaining. So the packers still would have lined up and they would have ran the qb sneak and the 49ers would have still had their one challenge flag left in Sing's back pocket, BUT they would not have been able to challenge the fumble becasue they had NO TIMEOUTS LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

So by challenging the call they simply gave themselves a chance to kill to birds with one stone. Had the correct call been made on the challenge the ball would have been moved back to just inside the 50 yd line on the niners side, not where it was origanlly placed which was 2 feet closer just outside the niners 49 yd line. thus the qb sneak would have been stopped and the clock then would have stopped at the 2 min warning and the packers would have to decide if they want to punt or do they wanna go for it on 4th down. Unfortunately the refs didnt move the ball back and rodgers was able to sneak it far enough for the first down.

Now the 49ers ended up with the ball at the end of the qb sneak play claiming rodgers fumbled. But we couldnt challenge that he fumbled becasue we had no challenges left. And if we hadnt challenged the play prior WE STILL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHALLENGE THE FUMBLE BECAUSE WE STILL WOULD HAVE CALLED THE TIMEOUT WITH 2:32 AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR LAST TIMEOUT!!!!! Even if we hadnt called the timeout or used our challenge we wouldnt have been able to challenge the "fumble" because the packers would have ran the clock down to the 2 min warning before they tried the sneak.

so what sing did by challanging the spot was brilliant. Had the correct call been made then the 49ers are not charged a timeout and the ball is moved back 2+ feet and the qb sneak doesnt work. we call a timeout with abotu 2:20 on the clock and packers either gamble on a 4th down and go for it or they punt the ball and we have 2 mins to try to get the TD. Its that simple.

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  • Bille
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Originally posted by NinerForLife:
Originally posted by dwy621:
Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
The niners were going to call a timeout to stop the clock anyways. It made no difference. I can't believe the annoucers didn't realize this. It's got a lot of fans talking about nothing. Singletary challenged to call because it wasn't going to hurt one way or another.

I thought the same thing too, but it looked like Rodgers might have fumbled the QB sneak on 4th down nd we didn't have a timeout to challenge the play.

In that fumble situation, could a non-call on a fumble be challenged? I know it could be challenged if the call was a fumble, but since it was never called a fumble (play whistled dead), could the niners even have challeged a non-called fumble?

People could be making a huge deal out of a complete non-issue if that is the case. Might be why no one in the media is even talking about it.

I am pretty sure that is the change they made this year, which is why they check to see who recovers it afterwards.
Because I know you can challenge on whether an incomplete pass is a fumble or not, which you couldn't do last year. And also you can challenge whether or not someone is down by contact before they lose the ball.

But if the play is blown dead because the player is no longer moving forward, then you cannot review it as a fumble since the play was over already. Which is probably what the refs would have said in that sitaution since Rodgers was never down by contact before they blew the whistle.

BTW for everyone saying the challenge is fine, you have to remember the challenge isn't the spot of the ball, the challenge is whether or not the play resulted in a first down. Basicly we were challenging that the packers made the first down. So even if they moved the ball back we would still have lost the timeout.

It's IMO just a stupid move leaving yourself without a chance of a challenge, look at our game against Atlanta and the Patriots-Colts game. Because you never know what will happen on the next play.
[ Edited by Bille on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:33 AM ]
Originally posted by crzy:
refs screwed us. The challenge was fine.

second.
It was a horrible spot.