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Coach Singletary: A Thorough Discussion of Why He Lost Me Today

  • jerryricefan80
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The regime must go. You need to be smarter than this to coach an NFL club. He doesn't have the 85 Bears D or Running Game.
I was really hoping for something new to keep hope alive, but it was just the same ol', same ol'.

He keeps beating a dead horse and telling us it's going to jump up any minute and win the race, just watch. *wack-wack!*
Originally posted by NEW_WORLD_ORDER:
The fact that he doesn't know what a post route is makes me want to vomit! He said, that route where the reciever goes like this (gestures with his hands). Not a good sign when the head coach does not know the routes his players run.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by ninerfan21:
wow. Did you know historically top running teams are the ones that make the playoffs and go deep in the playoffs? This year, yes, seems to be a little backwards on that, but, it's not like his reasoning is bad.

Top running teams are the teams that run in the second half to protect a lead, a lead built with a strong but balanced passing attack, when Sing said he wanted to 'Run even when the other guys knows you are going to run" I thought this is what he meant!

Not really, Miami and the Jets can run when they want to. But we arent the Jets or Miami.
Originally posted by MadMartz:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by ninerfan21:
wow. Did you know historically top running teams are the ones that make the playoffs and go deep in the playoffs? This year, yes, seems to be a little backwards on that, but, it's not like his reasoning is bad.

Top running teams are the teams that run in the second half to protect a lead, a lead built with a strong but balanced passing attack, when Sing said he wanted to 'Run even when the other guys knows you are going to run" I thought this is what he meant!

Not really, Miami and the Jets can run when they want to. But we arent the Jets or Miami.

sure but I want a team that run in the second half to protect a lead, a lead built with a strong but balanced passing attack That is good football, that is championship football!
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by NEW_WORLD_ORDER:
The fact that he doesn't know what a post route is makes me want to vomit! He said, that route where the reciever goes like this (gestures with his hands). Not a good sign when the head coach does not know the routes his players run.


He was actually asked if he knew what a post route was?
  • kem99
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I hear what you're saying but not sure if it is truly a fair assessment:

1. Accountability and willingness to change course

You cannot objectively look at this season and say Singletary has not been accountable, held the players to be accountable and showed a willingness to change course. He changed from Hill to Smith when it became obvious Hill was not going to take the 49ers where they needed to go. Once Crabtree was signed, he moved him quickly into the starting line-up once he proved he could handle it. He demoted Bruce in favor of Morgan. He even took Clements out of the starting line-up.

The 49ers are currently tied for last with the Bears for least number of rushing attempts, which is a staggering statistic given what was expected this year and what you read on these boards. One would think that notwithstanding the score, the 49ers have stuck to the 60/40 run/pass ration they aimed for at the start of the season.

The problem isn't the philosophy, it is the execution.

2. Football logic/understanding of X's and O's

The gist of this point seems to be that the team has to be a passing team to win in today's NFL and Singletary doesn't understand so the 49ers are getting beat. In 2008, the 49ers were a passing team with Martz as the OC. They averaged 21.2 points per game, threw 31.8 passes per game, has a 21/19 TD/INT ration and a QB ratio of 81.4. In 2009, the 49ers are averaging 20.8 points per game, attempting 31.1 passes per game, have a 14/9 TD/INT ratio and a QB rating of 80.3. The numbers are pretty similar across 2 philosophies from 2 different OC's.

In 2008, 9 of the top 12 teams in terms of pass attempts per game did not make the playoffs. In 2008, 8 of the top 13 teams in terms of yards did not make the playoffs and one of the 5 that did was the Chargers who were 8-8.

This year, the QBs whose teams are near the top in passing and are at or near the top of their divisions are: P. Manning, Brady, Warner, Brees, Rivers, Favre and Romo. The other division leader is C. Palmer despite the Bengals being 20th in terms of passing yards. By comparison, the 49ers have had a combination of S. Hill and A. Smith.

Those criticizing the offense for its scheme and calling for a full-time use of the spread point to Smith's better numbers using that offense but never address exactly how many teams in the NFL run that kind of offense successfully. The Patriots probably use the shotgun-spread offense as much as anyone but, again, they have Tom Brady, have run it for a few years and have experienced receivers named Moss and Welker. The 49ers have Smith/Hill, are being asked by the fans to make it work on the fly when they prepared the entire off-season to run another offense and their best receivers are young and have had little time with their current starting QB. Even the Cardinals have been at their best, including their SB run, when they ran the ball well and had Warner under center more than in a shot-gun.

All of this is to say, it is not as easy to say the 49ers are behind the times in wanting to be a running team in a passing league and everything would be better if they just let Smith throw the ball more. What they are finding out is that they probably do not have the personnel to run the kind of offense Singletary wants. The OL is just not as good in its run blocking as it was in 2006. It is not the scheme, it is the execution. The OL has not run blocked or pass blocked consistently well.

I felt from the beginning of this year that the most important thing to come out of this season was for the 49ers to find out if their QB of the future was on the roster or they needed to go get a new QB. That is still the case and it is still an open question on Smith. Until the 49ers solve that question, seasons like this are going to continue regardless of who the coach, GM or OC happen to be.
Singletary lost me today also. I have the same questions as you do. The team’s party line is that all offseason they were going to be a running team (read 3 yards and a cloud of dust). Walsh is turning over in his grave. What, exactly DID Singletary learn from Walsh again? So what Jimmy Raye and Singletary are telling is that it’s too late, we already spent the offseason misdirecting this team, so we’re just going to have to stick with it.

What a bunch of hogwash. If your offensive system of football is inherently that inflexible, something was wrong in the first place. No coach in their right mind would have made such a blunder. Now, MS is married to this approach and painted himself into a corner. He actually sounds like Nolan during this year’s pressers. I just can’t believe what I’m watching. We always come out the same, and the game always ends up the same. Walsh used to come out with a real plan, to embarrass the opponent’s D, to use trick plays early, to come out swinging, and establish a lead. Whatever is going on, it’s Singletary’s plan, and he is going to go down with his ship.

I agree that a complete purge is in order. We need an offensive mind in SF-it’s that simple. As far as names like Gruden, Holmgren, and Shanahan being brought up, it just sounds so….. try-hard…living –through-the-past-syndrome. My personal favorite would be Shanahan, and that is my guilty pleasure. (I remember praying that we would beat the ’92 Cowboys because that was his last year with us as our OC and would likely become another team’s HC. ) Gruden has been rumored to be an As#h0!e to his players and Holmgren didn’t impress me with his time in Seattle. I think Scotty needs to go also. In fairness I do not think of him as a total failure but he surely made some mistakes and questionable decisions. Counting for him are real good finds like Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Joe Staley and Patrick Willis. Failures would be Alex Smith (Scotty’s failure, not Smith’s because he was obviously mistreated and under coached and thrown to the wolves), Jonas Jennings(heavily over paid), letting Justin Smiley walk in FA, Manny Lawson, Mark Roman, and a total lack of a decent pass rusher at OLB. OK decisions like Justin Smith, Parys Haralson, Matt Wilhem, Dre Bly, Nate Clements, Michael Lewis do not over ride the fact that in his tenure here we still have a general lack of talent in favor of being 30 million below the cap.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
I’m sure this will be misconstrued with other posts and as being “negative” in view. Today Niner fans, Singletary has lost me because of three simple areas that I think every coach much accept:

- Accountability
- Willingness to Change Course Completely
- Reason (Football Logic/Understanding X and Os)

During today’s presser, I was looking for any of these three things, any way in which I could get some insight were the HC has a handle on the situation and knew exactly what was going on with his team. I will always support the 49ers, but even if they’re losing, if I understand those reasons and feel the coaches understand, I will support you 100%. However when reporters asked questions any lay fan would ask and some questions went beyond that with analysis and facts like:

Did you know that top passing offenses are at the top of their divisions….? (paraphrased)

Did you know that top rushing offense have losing records right now? (paraphrased)

All of these questions directly addressed as to why the 49ers seem to start every game the same; terrible, inept, predictable, conservative, run-based offense that opponents have obviously schemed to stop. We usually don’t convert 3rd downs and give the opposing offenses chance after chance, and eventually they score, resulting in being down by the half.

The question is about strategy; why do the 49er repeat their oft-proved unsuccessful offensive schemes during the first half? Why not start the game with offensive sets in the shotgun, a supposed Alex Smith strength? Who’s making this decision and who’s accountable?

Singletary doesn’t really give an answer. He says that the coaches can’t just throw everything away they used in training camp and going to a shotgun would do this. Really? Well since the team is at 4-6 and have very, very little hope of winning a game with the “training camp strategy”, maybe we need to treat the current time as if we were back in preseason, and games on Sunday are “live scrimmages”. When pressed further about teams who pass predominantly and their winning records, Sing says “they may look good now but they’ll have to run at some point.” Well it’s Week 10 and you need to start looking good before you can get to the playoffs right? Simple, unequivocal fact: you’re going to need to pass more to become balanced and do something opponents may not have seen on film.

When pressed again about if the 49ers will ever be considered a “passing team” and when given examples like the Colts as a successful passing team, Singletary says “I would necessarily call the Colts a passing team.” Here it is in a nutshell my friends: blatant denial. Sing is simply being stubborn and showing a complete lack of willingness to change in the face of all facts and evidence demanding he does so. Sing says “we need to achieve balance” but starts every half of football the same, as an unbalanced, run-oriented, dink and dunk offense that’s ineffective at maintaining drives. Sing doesn’t see that we fielding half of a team week after week when the offense is so blatantly ineffective for halves of games..

When pressed further, a reporter asked “can the 49ers run effectively out of the shotgun?” Singletary’s response verged on comedy. He says that Frank is the type of runner that needs to run downhill between the tackles. He’s (Frank Gore) not a slashing/perimeter (paraphrase) type of guy. If I were Gore, this would be embarrassed because clearly the coach isn’t familiar with Gore’s range of talents. All of Gore’s long runs came when he was able to get lost (temporarily), brake one tackle, get in the open field and make people miss, using that uncanny vision to the daylight, yet Singletary claims he watches tons of film. Gore also has the speed to run a toss well (scored a couple TDs) and has hands good enough to place terror in any receiver. He’s led the team in receptions before this season.

When asked what the “Spread” offense was, a reported needed to clarify that this was more than just an offensive formation with “more receivers.”Singletary shows a complete lack of reason here. He doesn’t understanding the fundamental X and Os. So it’s either Spread or Run, nothing in between. This is one of the many, but critical problems with the 49ers. Are the coaches so weak in their understanding and developing of the game, they aren’t even able to design game plans on offense that can capture the strengths of both the Spread but also effectively run? Furthermore, Singletary thinks in run/pass binary terms that make it impossible for any OC to innovate beyond what we’ve seen thus far.

Today Sing lost me as a supporter because he couldn’t be accountable for the fact that this Sunday’s loss was 80% on the coaches, then he displayed in the face of glaring facts an unwillingness to change at the team’s detriment and finally an inability to be reasonable in explanation as to why he supports a view that’s clearly not working. These are serious problems I had not seen before out of our head coach, but these issues will only grow as the team is again rebuilt with younger players. This team needs more than a determined attitude about winning. If you don’t play that way in the NFL you don’t need to be there. The 49ers need a game-planner, someone who can see the big picture from an X and Os standpoint. Chances are they’ll get outcoached every week unless they play, well the cellar teams of the NFL – but even they’re starting to catch up.

Solution? I really believe more than ever, Jed needs to clean house as in 2005. New GM, new coach, new staff. Despite the defense playing well, they haven’t been good enough to escape a complete coaching purge of this system if necessary. If the new administration decides to retain defensive coaches, then it should be their option. Jed needs to talk to his uncle and ask him how he put together his Niners of lore. I’m willing to bet Eddie still has ties out there in the NFL world. Lean on him, gets some expertise about the true rising stars out there at GM, VP and HC.

Nice insight man
respect for that
not the usual emotional crap found around these buildings
Although i don't totaly agree (but most of it) with you i respect the way you analyze things cos you seem to have a method and some target points to know where you're at
Coach Sing has a method but a pride rigid mind doesn't know when to give it a rest and be a little flexible which is nice and necessary
He looks more and more Nolanesque and it's frightening to say the least
If he gave his OC some latitude, if he had a good OC i bet you we would have a better record
So stubborn he made stupid, yes, STUPID comments during the presser
I gotta tell you he lost me yesterday at the post game conference cos he gave me the impression
1) he had no clue of what's happening (but in a slightly different style than Nolan)
2) he put it on the young players only
yeah it's about execution man we all know that but it's also about the plan you try to execute
And the plane was ... well what was the plan ?

Sing: So what will you bring to the team.
Raye: Physica...
Singletary: You're hired.
  • B650
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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by NEW_WORLD_ORDER:
The fact that he doesn't know what a post route is makes me want to vomit! He said, that route where the reciever goes like this (gestures with his hands). Not a good sign when the head coach does not know the routes his players run.


And we wonder why we're 4-6. This guy is all about running the ball 25 times a game and playing good defense, not about outsmarting the other team. That's fine and all, if you have the '85 Bears roster. This isn't Chicago West. I'm pretty sure Raye is just following orders. Singletary is the problem.
Well said NinerGM.
Originally posted by contrarios:
Gruden, Holmgren and Shanahan are available. Anyone of them can set the franchise up for the future just as Walsh did. If Jed waits too long, they will be gone and so will the fans!

By the way, an account rep from the 49ers office called a buddy of mine today (season ticket holder) and asked if there was anything they could do. He told him he wanted a refund!

Gruden signed an extension with ESPN.
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
he has too much pride

And that comes before what again?
Didn't see the game, nor hear it, but did get a good 1 line summary in San Clemente.
49ers lost. Look, Bigmike is a helluva motivational speaker, and he was rightly inducted into the hall of fame. It hasn't worked out for him here, mainly because he has no previous DC or OC(hah!) nor HC experience prior to coming here. What did jed and scot expect? Did they really expect him to know how to HC when he had never done anything other than coach linebackers? Also he was out of the game for several yrs, making money on the lecture circuit. I just don't see how the guy could be reasonably expected to be a great HC. Oh, his mentor? lil mikenoln. Wow, is that ever a great way to get your coaching experience.

Put me down solidly with GM here. Clean house. Our coaches have either lost or ruined our OL, who can't run or pass block. Our OC is doing his HC's bidding, and guess what? Other coaches read the newspapers, and bigmike announces we are gonna run it down their throats. It'd work if he used the pass to set up the run like oh, say, colts, Pats, saints, pitts, etc. Running as bigmike envisions is a flop...a failure, but there is nothing like going down in your lifeboat saying, "By God, we did it our way!". Well, he did, and now it is time to get this team a decent GM, (i am sick of seeing parcells, pioli, the guy for the saints, the other for the Hawks,etc grab great GMs, and we grab our you know whats. The GM or HOFO should be able to pick his HC, and have a say in the OC and DC. Assts can be chosen by HC, but with GM approval. That said, if we got holmgren as GM, we would be exactly where we are right now, so this is something that jed needs eddie and a bunch of others advice on. But this crew? Whew, they, along with the whole noln fiasco should go down as the "Wrecking Crew"---or otherwise known as the guys who ruined the 49ers.

Big mike, you had your shot bud, and so did you scot. YOu guys both blew it, as well as the coaches you brot in to help. Adios muchachos, and have a good life...elsewhere, but please, please, just not any longer with the 49ers. We have suffered enough from incompetence, ignorance, bull-headedness, and Lord only knows what else. Need a good motivational speaker tho, and ours is all pro.

Unlike GM, big mike lost me over 2 weeks ago.