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WHY HATE ON ALEX??

Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Originally posted by tmg808:
First of all Alex Smith is having a better season the Shaun Hill!!
In exactly the same amount of attempts and about the same amount of playing time.
Alex Smith 1035yds Hill 808
Smith 9 TD Hill 5TD
Smith 13 times sacked Hill 18 times

So there is no reason to go back to Shaun Hill which so many people are ok with.
Looking forward if Alex continues to progress from what he is doing now, I think there are bigger problems that need to be addressed on the team. This year might not be the year the 49ers go to the playoffs but you have to build on something, there is no reason to keep on rebuilding and starting from stratch

Let's see some other stats...

Ints: Smith 7 to Hill 2
Record: Smith 1-3 to Hill 3-3, because the W is all that really matters...

Let's also look at the simple fact that Smith has just as many attempts in 4.5 games, as Hill had in 5.5 games, showing an obvious change of plays from running to passing.

Oh, and one more thing, how have our 3rd down conversion % changed? They haven't, we might even be worse...

you're right what are we thinking starting Smith. It's official guys lets start Hill again.

Well, now your putting words in my mouth... I don't want Smith pulled, I haven't completely give up on him, but I am pretty darn close
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault
When a person has a very limited understanding of the game they always blame the QB, when they start doing things like naming records for QBs like they are starting pitchers you know you should just end the debate.

IF you replace Smith you make them happy but you don't solve the problem and by the time next season is half over the same bunch will be yelling "TRADE BRADFORD!!!!" or whatever the case may be.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault

Yes, the prerequisite for intelligence is agreeing with hyperbole. The rest of us are dumb.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault


Its also interesting that these same guys are SO for Nate Davis coming in, yet when something is working RIGHT IN FRONT of them (such as our offense operating out of a spread) that suggestion is ignored.

It makes more sense to OPEN UP THE OFFENSE before plugging in Nate Davis. Now if Alex sucks in the spread then fine...Nate Davis time. But why not try the spread/shotgun first...?
Originally posted by genus49:
People hate on Alex Smith because he was a #1 overall pick and people feel like it was actually their money that was spent on his large contract.

They take it pesonally and completely look past the fact that Alex was not NFL ready when he was drafted and was thrown to the wolves on a TERRIBLE team.

Given what we had on offense he actually had a decent sophmore season but after Turner left we pretty much ruined the guy. He was never the same after his shoulder injury and people expected him to play well even tho he was playing with a grade 3 shoulder seperation.

Alex may never be worth that #1 pick and at the time I didn't want him or Rodgers for that matter.

This team since Nolan was coach has been putting in a square peg into a round hole on offense. Both Nolan and Sing want a ball control offense - and yet we select a gimmick offense QB who works best out of the shotgun formation.

I like Alex. He's a good kid. He's been busting his ass to improve and help this team win. There is absolutely 0 reason to hate him. You may not like the way he plays the game but to hate him is just dumb when he's doing his best.

Until the coaches figure out that this team isn't set up to be a ball control offense right now and will never be until this offensive line gets fixed, whichever QB goes out there will look terrible.

Be it Alex Smith, Nate Davis or a first round rook. The offensive line needs to get fixed and the playcalling needs to play into our teams strengths. Not bang our head against the wall.

Thank You! - Genus...totally agree with your points. In addition, notes to future rebuilding franchises....never hire defensive coaches to mentor/nurture #1 pick QBs or figure offensive schemes to fit team strenghts!
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault

Yes, the prerequisite for intelligence is agreeing with hyperbole. The rest of us are dumb.

I never said dumb, that was you. I like to believe the other posters are just blind
Originally posted by boomer49er:
When a person has a very limited understanding of the game they always blame the QB, when they start doing things like naming records for QBs like they are starting pitchers you know you should just end the debate.

IF you replace Smith you make them happy but you don't solve the problem and by the time next season is half over the same bunch will be yelling "TRADE BRADFORD!!!!" or whatever the case may be.

QB isn't the only problem, boomer, but it is definitely A problem. Do you see the mechanics and pocket presence out of Smith that would translate to a successful QB under different circumstances? The fact that he is wholly unproductive unless we're down by 20 and running a spread offense (which will be schemed against very soon) tells me that we can't achieve sustainable success with him.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by LundyLove:
Originally posted by tmg808:
First of all Alex Smith is having a better season the Shaun Hill!!
In exactly the same amount of attempts and about the same amount of playing time.
Alex Smith 1035yds Hill 808
Smith 9 TD Hill 5TD
Smith 13 times sacked Hill 18 times

So there is no reason to go back to Shaun Hill which so many people are ok with.
Looking forward if Alex continues to progress from what he is doing now, I think there are bigger problems that need to be addressed on the team. This year might not be the year the 49ers go to the playoffs but you have to build on something, there is no reason to keep on rebuilding and starting from stratch

Except Hill is 3-2

Alex is 1-4

Niether is the answer

And there's the rub. Alex Smith clearly shows he can get it done with the right play calling. Going conservative and having him only pass 7 times isn't a winning formula.

Even you Smith haters have to realize that such an offense takes Crabs, VD, and Morgan out of the game.


Smith haters will never realize that. They will just ride Hill's win record that he should thank the defense for.

Alex Smith is the best 20 point deficit QB ever.

just imagine what would happen if the defense didn't let the other team score 30 points or the OC actually called plays that utilized the strengths of the QB and the entire offense.

just imagine if smith or hill didnt go 3 and out 8 billion times a game??

I love this focus on the QB when clearly the 9ers problems don't center on the QB play. The oline sucks and you say nothing. The defense sucks and you say nothing. The offensive play calling in the first half sucks and you say nothing.

Nope. It's Alex Smith who the haters focus on.



They don't have the capacity to focus on much else
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault

Yes, the prerequisite for intelligence is agreeing with hyperbole. The rest of us are dumb.

I never said dumb, that was you. I like to believe the other posters are just blind

You said "I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get his", so by process of elimination, those who disagree with your are either of average intelligence or stupid.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
When a person has a very limited understanding of the game they always blame the QB, when they start doing things like naming records for QBs like they are starting pitchers you know you should just end the debate.

IF you replace Smith you make them happy but you don't solve the problem and by the time next season is half over the same bunch will be yelling "TRADE BRADFORD!!!!" or whatever the case may be.

QB isn't the only problem, boomer, but it is definitely A problem. Do you see the mechanics and pocket presence out of Smith that would translate to a successful QB under different circumstances? The fact that he is wholly unproductive unless we're down by 20 and running a spread offense (which will be schemed against very soon) tells me that we can't achieve sustainable success with him.

That's just crazy. You weren't watching the same game I was. He was getting pressured left and right. He'd drop back and have a defender in his face. The oline is the problem here.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault

Yes, the prerequisite for intelligence is agreeing with hyperbole. The rest of us are dumb.

I never said dumb, that was you. I like to believe the other posters are just blind

You said "I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get his", so by process of elimination, those who disagree with your are either of average intelligence or stupid.

stop trying to make this a personal attack so you can run to the mods and cry. It is pretty clear that the ones that are calling for Smith's head are blind and have no clue what they are talking about.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
I hope Sing and Raye see whats going on and open up the playbook to fit alex smith....it's starting to look that the more they hand the team to smith the more he gets better....they need to free him more no more 7 pass attempts in an entire half only to have him go gunslinger in the second half games....


FREE ALEX SMITH play to his style GD!!!!!!! guy can play and score

I think it is funny how only the smart posters actually get this while the rest just keep blaming Smith for everything that goes wrong in the world. A little boy died in Africa after beeing attacked by a Lion and it was clearly Alex Smith's fault


Its also interesting that these same guys are SO for Nate Davis coming in, yet when something is working RIGHT IN FRONT of them (such as our offense operating out of a spread) that suggestion is ignored.

It makes more sense to OPEN UP THE OFFENSE before plugging in Nate Davis. Now if Alex sucks in the spread then fine...Nate Davis time. But why not try the spread/shotgun first...?

exactly...now it's obvious that when they turn to that offense....the funny thing is that it starts clicking and behold the scoring begins....i'm no expert but the answer might be right in front of us, maybe time to forget the whole smashmouth type of team and go with the weapons the team has VD crabtree and gore....passing will open up the running game and give more breathing room for gore to run as well so maybe they're looking at the gameplans the wrong way...
[ Edited by ninerfreak on Nov 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM ]
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
When a person has a very limited understanding of the game they always blame the QB, when they start doing things like naming records for QBs like they are starting pitchers you know you should just end the debate.

IF you replace Smith you make them happy but you don't solve the problem and by the time next season is half over the same bunch will be yelling "TRADE BRADFORD!!!!" or whatever the case may be.

QB isn't the only problem, boomer, but it is definitely A problem. Do you see the mechanics and pocket presence out of Smith that would translate to a successful QB under different circumstances? The fact that he is wholly unproductive unless we're down by 20 and running a spread offense (which will be schemed against very soon) tells me that we can't achieve sustainable success with him.

That's just crazy. You weren't watching the same game I was. He was getting pressured left and right. He'd drop back and have a defender in his face. The oline is the problem here.

The O-Line is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed. However, QB pressures and sacks are something that every QB has to face to a certain extent. The good ones are able to make plays despite pressure on a fairly regular basis.

Rodgers is a perfect example of this. He's been sacked more than anyone else in the league, yet has been productive despite this fact. If Smith is only capable of being successful when his jersey stays clean, we don't have a very good QB.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
When a person has a very limited understanding of the game they always blame the QB, when they start doing things like naming records for QBs like they are starting pitchers you know you should just end the debate.

IF you replace Smith you make them happy but you don't solve the problem and by the time next season is half over the same bunch will be yelling "TRADE BRADFORD!!!!" or whatever the case may be.

QB isn't the only problem, boomer, but it is definitely A problem. Do you see the mechanics and pocket presence out of Smith that would translate to a successful QB under different circumstances? The fact that he is wholly unproductive unless we're down by 20 and running a spread offense (which will be schemed against very soon) tells me that we can't achieve sustainable success with him.

That's just crazy. You weren't watching the same game I was. He was getting pressured left and right. He'd drop back and have a defender in his face. The oline is the problem here.


Tom brady would look like alex smith in the same team here.....no help up front.