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The Defense Cost Us This Game: Check out these Stats

Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Couple responses on this thread:
1) In my response, I laid the responsibility on this loss squarely on the shoulders of the defense. There were surely other factors which contributed to the loss. The team seemed unprepared entering the game, and the Packers had a better game plan: Throw the ball, throw the ball, throw the ball. The offense did not help matters at all in the first half. However...

2) The Packers had the ball six times in the first half, and scored on five of those possessions. A 5/6 scoring ratio, especially when turnovers were non-existent, is tremendous for an offense, and pathetic for a defense.

A team is simply not going to win by allowing the opposition to score on 5 of their first 6 possessions.

P.S. For the record, the Packers began their five first-half scoring drives on these yard lines: the 26, 23, 22, 19, and SF 45. In other words, these were long drives.

Cheers.

Stop this nonsense, MD. Clearly, the offense is to blame for our defense not being able to prevent any of these scoring drives. We shouldn't expect NFL players to perform for even a mere half of football. Are you crazy? Who could EVER expect players in the NFL to not get gassed after just a single quarter of play?

This is absurd. The Packers scored on drives that would have likely been the same field position had we scored and kicked off to them. Scores on 5/6 possessions is unacceptable. Poor tackling, lack of awareness, and overall lack of preparedness killed us. We were outcoached and outplayed.

We were down, what? 20-3 at the half? 23-3?

This is the NFL -- you make a stop, you get your rest. The defense couldn't get themselves off the field.

The people who are mindlessly arguing that the defense's problem was due to the offense must not have seen the game.

What is laughable to me is that the Packers scored on the opening kickoff (the Niners offense was not on the field before), and then again on the second drive, after the Niners kicked a field goal. The Packers stacked on 10 points before the Niners begin their second offensive drive. How is that the offense's fault?

The correct answer is that the Niners offense had nothing to do with the Packers' first two drives and ten points. In fact, the defense actually performed better after these two initial drives, with 1 stop in the next 4 possessions, compared with the "rested" defense, at 0 stops in the first two possessions.

Once again, people, nobody is saying the offense was impressive in the first half. But, to lamely argue that the Niners' offense caused the Niners' defense to collapse is a weak argument. It is simply not true.

MD,

to the bold
What game were you watching? The score was 3-6 with 9 minutes to go in the 2nd half and GB scored 20 in the entire half. How could this be if they scored on 5 of their first 6 possessions?

Our defense was stopping the Packers.

The defense didn't have a bad game.

5 yards passing in one half is what killed us more than anything. Take a look at the 2 and 7 in our second drive. It was a playaction to Gore and Smith had Morgan open for a 3 yard pass with what would have probably ended up as a 5 yard gain with RAC to make it 3rd and 2 but Smith didn't throw the ball because he began looking deep.

On the second sack, when the score was still 3-6, Smith held the ball for 3.5 seconds and then began to run but the DE disengaged from being blocked to make a tackle for the sack.

I don't know what game you were watching MD but you better watch the 2010 GB/SF game.

LMAO!!!!! No your right they played excellent.......not getting off the field and allowing the packers to end the game on a 5:36 sec drive is really Alex Smith's fault!!!! Why the heck wasn't he out there making tackles.....some leader he is

Not to mention the 30 pts he allowed.

Yet Smith's 5 yard half and the defense's almost shutout half keeps getting overlooked. Why do I keep making extreme comments?

Because Smith worked wonders the ENTIRE GAME and the defense didn't do s**t the ENTIRE game. Alexusers saying Smith had a very good game is an extreme comment. Alex stunk up the first half along with the offense just as much as the defense did but you won't hear from me that the defense stunk it up as I don't hear from you that Alex stunk it up.

You don't see it, but the rest of the world sees it: once we opened up the offense, we scored 21 points. When we were in our regular offense, we scored 3 points. Now, is that on Smith? How come the HC and OC don't get any blame, but only Smith does? By the way, Montana had many bad halves. Young had many bad halves. Manning had, and will continue to have, many bad halves. You don't base a performance on one half.

We opened up the offense against TEN also. Sing said the truth on KNBR, it's different throwing when your down by 20 than throwing when you start the game.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Couple responses on this thread:
1) In my response, I laid the responsibility on this loss squarely on the shoulders of the defense. There were surely other factors which contributed to the loss. The team seemed unprepared entering the game, and the Packers had a better game plan: Throw the ball, throw the ball, throw the ball. The offense did not help matters at all in the first half. However...

2) The Packers had the ball six times in the first half, and scored on five of those possessions. A 5/6 scoring ratio, especially when turnovers were non-existent, is tremendous for an offense, and pathetic for a defense.

A team is simply not going to win by allowing the opposition to score on 5 of their first 6 possessions.

P.S. For the record, the Packers began their five first-half scoring drives on these yard lines: the 26, 23, 22, 19, and SF 45. In other words, these were long drives.

Cheers.

Stop this nonsense, MD. Clearly, the offense is to blame for our defense not being able to prevent any of these scoring drives. We shouldn't expect NFL players to perform for even a mere half of football. Are you crazy? Who could EVER expect players in the NFL to not get gassed after just a single quarter of play?

This is absurd. The Packers scored on drives that would have likely been the same field position had we scored and kicked off to them. Scores on 5/6 possessions is unacceptable. Poor tackling, lack of awareness, and overall lack of preparedness killed us. We were outcoached and outplayed.

We were down, what? 20-3 at the half? 23-3?

This is the NFL -- you make a stop, you get your rest. The defense couldn't get themselves off the field.

The people who are mindlessly arguing that the defense's problem was due to the offense must not have seen the game.

What is laughable to me is that the Packers scored on the opening kickoff (the Niners offense was not on the field before), and then again on the second drive, after the Niners kicked a field goal. The Packers stacked on 10 points before the Niners begin their second offensive drive. How is that the offense's fault?

The correct answer is that the Niners offense had nothing to do with the Packers' first two drives and ten points. In fact, the defense actually performed better after these two initial drives, with 1 stop in the next 4 possessions, compared with the "rested" defense, at 0 stops in the first two possessions.

Once again, people, nobody is saying the offense was impressive in the first half. But, to lamely argue that the Niners' offense caused the Niners' defense to collapse is a weak argument. It is simply not true.

MD,

to the bold
What game were you watching? The score was 3-6 with 9 minutes to go in the 2nd half and GB scored 20 in the entire half. How could this be if they scored on 5 of their first 6 possessions?

Our defense was stopping the Packers.

The defense didn't have a bad game.

5 yards passing in one half is what killed us more than anything. Take a look at the 2 and 7 in our second drive. It was a playaction to Gore and Smith had Morgan open for a 3 yard pass with what would have probably ended up as a 5 yard gain with RAC to make it 3rd and 2 but Smith didn't throw the ball because he began looking deep.

On the second sack, when the score was still 3-6, Smith held the ball for 3.5 seconds and then began to run but the DE disengaged from being blocked to make a tackle for the sack.

I don't know what game you were watching MD but you better watch the 2010 GB/SF game.

LMAO!!!!! No your right they played excellent.......not getting off the field and allowing the packers to end the game on a 5:36 sec drive is really Alex Smith's fault!!!! Why the heck wasn't he out there making tackles.....some leader he is

Not to mention the 30 pts he allowed.

Yet Smith's 5 yard half and the defense's almost shutout half keeps getting overlooked. Why do I keep making extreme comments?

Because Smith worked wonders the ENTIRE GAME and the defense didn't do s**t the ENTIRE game. Alexusers saying Smith had a very good game is an extreme comment. Alex stunk up the first half along with the offense just as much as the defense did but you won't hear from me that the defense stunk it up as I don't hear from you that Alex stunk it up.

You don't see it, but the rest of the world sees it: once we opened up the offense, we scored 21 points. When we were in our regular offense, we scored 3 points. Now, is that on Smith? How come the HC and OC don't get any blame, but only Smith does? By the way, Montana had many bad halves. Young had many bad halves. Manning had, and will continue to have, many bad halves. You don't base a performance on one half.

We opened up the offense against TEN also. Sing said the truth on KNBR, it's different throwing when your down by 20 than throwing when you start the game.

OK, and we lost to a pretty good team by a TD. We had a chance to win the game, just like the Minnesota game (the one Hill started). Is it the end of the world? The Packers also lost to the Buccaneers. Should they bench Rodgers now and start running up the gut 50 times a game? The bottom line is with Hill, we'll lose because he's not going to do enough, and with Smith, we'll lose because he's going to try and do too much. Pick your poison. I'll take the 2nd QB because at least there's hope for improvement with that one.
No Sh*t Sherlock.

However the Offense was offensive as well. I think one would have to say; Total team loss, again.

Man, this is getting, has been, is now, frustrating to the max discussing loss after loss, when will it end?

I got no idea how HC keeps these guys together with a couple more losses, and, they, will come..

There is always, next year, right, things will be different, right?

Secondary can't cover, Nate really seemed to make things more easy back there, not so now..

Over an over, the same sh*t.. The worst thing is as a super hard core fan, I can't turn this crap off, I stay tuned in till the bitter end, and bros, it has been bitter for the most part..

Just saying..
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I think that we are stubborn on Defense to. Sing likes to say we do what we do. But when we play teams that have good TE's we donot alter our scheme to prevent these guys from beating us, also the screens to rb's have killed us.

Patrick willis is solid, but he has been asked to stay in coverage and has to come from a farther distance to tackle a rb.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
It's tough to play defense when you're out there on the field practically the ENTIRE FREAKIN GAME.

We lost because of Alex Smith. The guy sucks. Give him the boot already. At this point, I'd take JaMarcus Russell over Alex Smith. He's that bad.

That is some of the dumbest s**t I have ever heard anyone post here.

This.
Last few yrs, say 4-5, every team that played us, either had a career day teamwise or somebody(s) had career days. It got to the point where it was just ridiculous. And no name guys who had never had a great game, they too, had career days against us.

Looking at MD's stats, the Packers had another career game against us. I knew the game was bad, but not that bad, and unfortunately, facts don't lie. Answer? Clean house, from top to bottom, no more chances for bigMike or scot, and replace entire coaching staff. Unfortunately, you can't fire your owner. I suspect that opposing teams look at their calendar, circle the date of the 49ers game, and then play us, knowing either multiple guys are gonna have career days, or the team will. As a 30 yr fan, this just sickens me.
Originally posted by Antix:
I have a hard time judging our D when we don't have an O that can compliment it.

Psychologically it must be tough for a D to play hard when they know and can see that the O is inept and not going to give it any help. Just like the O needs the D to stop teams the D needs the O to score some points or at least hold on to the ball. The first few games our D was awesome but as the O got more and more ineffective so has our D

We still need a pass rush and help at safety but I cannot logically expect our D to play well when our O plays like pansies for an entire half. It's not fair to expect the D to play lights out the whole game when the O can play like pop warners for an entire half and then just score at will once they're down by 20 plus points. Especially when we know the D still isn't complete (pass rush and safety).

The D is playing bad, I'll give you that, but our O is terrible and you know good and damn well we're not going to get any field position from ST unless it's from Andy Lee blasting a 70 yard punt. Overall our team is not very good and it's all interconnected imo.

As MadDog has shown, the defense gave up 10 points on two long drives to start the game while the 49er offense had scored a field goal on their first possession. Blaming the offense for the poor defense is an excuse that doesn't hold water.

As to the impact of one offensive game plan after another being overly simplistic and easy to stop; that is all on Singletary and Raye. We have now seen it demonstrated three times that Smith and the offense CAN move the ball when allowed to play to their strengths.