Vernon Davis

Davis is not the only TE interested


Jimmy Graham ruling drawing watchful eyes of NFL tight ends

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/06/saints_te_jimmy_graham_ruling.html

Originally posted by baltien:

Vernon only cares about what's going on with Jimmy Graham because even if Graham gets paid like a receiver, he's still listed as a TE, which will have an impact on the market value of TEs going forward.

If NO caves, it could set a bad precedent to where Tight Ends could argue that because they get more catches and/or yards than a receiver, they should be paid like one.

I think the arbitration in the Jimmy Graham case is binding. I am not sure, but it sounds like it is.

If Graham wins, New Orleans may have only two options, maybe three.

1. Pay him as a wide receiver
2. Release him / withdraw the tag
3. Sign him to a long term deal.

from a Sporting News article.

There is a way to avoid aggravation between the Saints and Graham. A long-term contract would put the franchise tag question to rest. A similar situation was settled that way in 2009, when the Baltimore Ravens and Terrell Suggs reached accord.

If Burbank rules in favor of Graham, the Saints might be forced to part ways with a significant piece of their offense's puzzle.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-06-22/arbiters-decision-expected-this-week-in-jimmy-graham-grievance

What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

Originally posted by theduke85:
Whoa, Maiocco's article on Davis was very compelling:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/davis-keeping-eye-graham-ruling-49ers-not-likely-be-swayed

Basically says that if Davis wants to be paid like a receiver, he's being paid exactly what he should be (he compares him to Eric Decker; stats-wise, they are eerily similar the last couple of years).

edit: sorry if someone has already posted this in here.

Basically solidifies the stupidity behind this holdout.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

Scared

Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
Basically solidifies the stupidity behind this holdout.

Yep! It will end soon

I'm normally pretty "pro-player" when it comes to contract negotiations and what not, and like to see great players get paid what they are worth. The problem I have with Vernon Davis is that he's basically getting paid what he's worth. He's on a front loaded contract which has already paid him most of the value of his deal, and now he wants to renege on the contract since it's paying out lower annual amounts. He's not a WR, not even close, and he doesn't deserve to get Top 5 WR money, which is what he's trying to angle for.

Honestly, if I were the Niners, I would just call his bluff and let him holdout for as long as he liked.

So how much is Dick, i mean Vernon going to earn this season? I thought it was in the 4.5m range and today i read it was up near 7.35m.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

for the love of f**k, now there is a story where Mike s. is commenting on this. ok vernon, now i am starting to get upset when we start to have the stench of that era come back with your drama i would never never never give him any ink time with what he did to this team when he was the "coach"

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

Of course Richard Sherman would say that. Just like we were all hoping Marshawn Lynch would retire.

"Ohhhhh yeah, don't play Vernon, you gotta be you, man. Nope, this is not about football at all. You should hold out all season. And take Kap with you."

Originally posted by buck:

The he in your post is Graham, right.

If you figures are correct I would say that Graham has a legitimate grievance.

That does not mean he will win, but if the final decision lies with a outside arbitrator, and not the league, he has a chance of winning.

A victory by Graham would not have any direct, automatic impact on Vernon Davis and his desires.

The cases are entirely different.

Funny thing though, when they came to him and said "Hey Jimmy, you got voted to the Pro Bowl as a tight end" - nobody heard him claiming to be a WR then...

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

Scared

Exactly... nobody needs advice from that hermaphrodite. I can't wait for its teeth to get knocked out!

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Funny thing though, when they came to him and said "Hey Jimmy, you got voted to the Pro Bowl as a tight end" - nobody heard him claiming to be a WR then...

How many WRs line up as a TE more than 15% of the time? Probably not many which is why a 250 lb player listed as a TE is probably a TE!

I can't believe people are still arguing about this and looking at stuff like how many % of the time he lines up as a TE vs WR and all that.

Let's get this straight once and for all.

Put it this way, there is a reason why there is such a vast difference in the franchise tag numbers between a TE at $7 mil and a WR at $12 mil. So, why you may ask ? Well, simply put, historically speaking TEs are used to block more and may be catch a ball or two once in a blue moon, in other words TEs weren't designed to produce massive numbers for any given team whereas WRs were the main offensive weapon as far as the passing game goes.

The truth is the game has long moved on with the emergence of the new breed of TEs such as Jimmy Graham, Vernon and Gronk plus teams have learnt to utilize TEs in a far more aggressive way to aid their offense.

I read a comment about VD's numbers being no way near Jimmy Graham's. That is such BS and can't be any further from the truth. Graham might have more yards and 3 more TDs last season, but do you know how much more did Brees wing the ball as compared to Kap ?! Brees threw for 5,162 yards !! That is almost 2,000 yards more than the 9ers. And still, Vernon was the 2nd TE with the most number of TDs, ranked 3rd amongst all TEs and WRs with 13 TDs. Dare I say if we had thrown for another 2,000 yards VD would have easily surpassed Graham's 16 TDs !!

Bottomline ? Vernon is definitely worth more than $7 mil and same goes with Graham. You could argue oh well if we gave VD a raise it would affect the cap room and all that. As for me ? I am all about winning, if you can find a guy on the roster who could replace Vernon and fill up that 13 TDs, then OK. But, sorry to say we don't have that guy. Our next highest TD scorer was Anquan who only had 7 TDs, pretty much only half of Vernon's production, he may have more yards, but who cares about that when you don't score ?

If I was a TE and I scored more than the leading WR on the team, heck I would want WR money too. The problem is we are approaching the payscale totally wrong. We are basing pay on positions as opposed to actual production or merit which is ridiculous.

If you want to levy the blame on Vernon, you should be putting the blame on Baalke instead. Say if he had picked Alshon Jeffrey instead of AJ Jenkins aka the bust, just may be we wouldn't have to rely so heavily on Vernon to come through for us and we wouldn't be debating about this in the first place.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by LoneWolf:

What the hell is douchebag sherman commenting on vernons situation for?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/24/richard-sherman-tells-vernon-davis-to-stick-to-his-guns/

Scared

Exactly... nobody needs advice from that hermaphrodite. I can't wait for its teeth to get knocked out!

whats funny is ive told many coworkers about that story, and so far a Lions fan, Rams fan, 2 Broncos fans, a Dolphins fan, a Steelers fan, and a Panthers fan have all had the same scared response. nice to know almost all fan bases think about Sherman the same way we do.