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Vernon Davis

Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
for VD prob need a Gyne

reaching nothing...he started this awhile back..now it's creeping back in.

No one thought TO was a cancer in the begining
just because he wants an extension or a pay hike, he is a cancer. and now you use TO to support your claim. i will give you credit, you certainly connect the dots in a unique way. when he comes back he will be accepted back into the fold , despite what you think or act like you are hoping for
everyone on the team wants an extension and a pay raise...does the whole team miss mandatory camps ?
Originally posted by cciowa:
if those guys prove they can do the job, i am fine with it. have those three you mentioned shown they can replace gore or hunter? my issue with this whole vernon thing is people who are willing to get rid of vernon due to this "tiff' and give the keys to vance or make jon baldwin a tight end . that is NOT what smart organizations do.

yeah but what im saying is sometimes you dont get that chance to make sure the players replacing your proven plays are capable, and i could see a pure psychological meltdown on the zone (especially you bud) if say hyde and lattimore have to take over for gore next season but only get as many carries as lmj this season.
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think this maybe a bit overblown. I'm sure he wants a new contract, but he maybe holding out just to extend his off season or explore other ventures that are making him more money than he gets paid for being in camp. Only time will tell tho...

thats why i said im not gunna panic unless this "holdout" goes deep into training camp. Then we may actually have a situation worth being concerned about.
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
everyone on the team wants an extension and a pay raise...does the whole team miss mandatory camps ?

specialists?

Walsh's motto?

cancer?

everyone on the team--all 89 of the players on the roster today?

please.

Davis has missed voluntary workouts and three days of mandatory mini camp. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I think Davis is making a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your assertions are almost funny.
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Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
everyone on the team wants an extension and a pay raise...does the whole team miss mandatory camps ?

specialists?

Walsh's motto?

cancer?

everyone on the team--all 89 of the players on the roster today?

please.

Davis has missed voluntary workouts and three days of mandatory mini camp. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I think Davis is making a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your assertions are almost funny.
buck said nothing wrong. and the wolf had a good thought about not getting shook up about this unless it runs deep into camp. i am almost glad that camp is over and we have a month break to let this thing cool down. maybe it boils down to the fact i just do not have any confidence vance can step in for vernon nor do i have any confidence our tight end coach can actually develop a tight end. on the other hand even though i have never seen them play i am really confident that one or both of our untested young running backs along with hunter can take gores job next year and we will not skip a beat at all. plus as i said,, the real thing that has irritated me is all of the stuff that has been invented about vernon since this whole thing began from,, him being scared cuz we signed stevie to this latest cancer blather. i am upset he is not honoring his contract but for gods sake the tearing down of his play and now his status as a team mate is being thrown out there
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[ Edited by DeUh on Jun 19, 2014 at 2:53 PM ]
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Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think this maybe a bit overblown. I'm sure he wants a new contract, but he maybe holding out just to extend his off season or explore other ventures that are making him more money than he gets paid for being in camp. Only time will tell tho...

thats why i said im not gunna panic unlewjillss this "holdout" goes deep into training camp. Then we may actually have a situation worth being concerned about.

We should probably wait and cross that bridge when we get to it.

My guess is that crossing the bridge before we get to it will just make us look stupid.

[ Edited by buck on Jun 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM ]
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Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
everyone on the team wants an extension and a pay raise...does the whole team miss mandatory camps ?

specialists?

Walsh's motto?

cancer?

everyone on the team--all 89 of the players on the roster today?

please.

Davis has missed voluntary workouts and three days of mandatory mini camp. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I think Davis is making a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your assertions are almost funny.

49AllTheTime was like.......
We have FANTEK to thanks for the holdout. Put the pressure on him.
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by verb1der:
You can't prove the bolded. When you have a VD you have to take advantage, but that don't mean they can't make someone else become the focal point if we lose VD.

He isn't as crucial as you make it seem.

He MIGHT not be this year with the improvement in the WR corps, but he certainly has been in the past. You can't make a lot of the arguments that you personally made last year about Kap if you don't admit how important VD was and maybe still is.

I don't think I ever said he was not important. I'm just refusing to buy into the notion that we can't win a SB without VD. Of course we can!

No team has ever been crippled after losing a damn TE I don't care who it is!

Look at the Chiefs, they let Gonzo walk and didn't really care about it.

Great example..how'd that work out for them again?

Let me give you an example: Shannon Sharpe. He goes to the Ravens with an amazing Trent Dilfer at QB and wins a superbowl.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Jun 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM ]
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think this maybe a bit overblown. I'm sure he wants a new contract, but he maybe holding out just to extend his off season or explore other ventures that are making him more money than he gets paid for being in camp. Only time will tell tho...

thats why i said im not gunna panic unlewjillss this "holdout" goes deep into training camp. Then we may actually have a situation worth being concerned about.

We should probably wait and cross that bridge when we get to it.

My guess is that crossing the bridge before we get to it will just make us look stupid.


Thank you guys! Finally some common sense.
Davis still presents a real challenge for defenses and I think most people are just getting excited over really nothing at this point. Again, he's not going anywhere unless Baalke says so - on contract for two more years and the franchise tag makes three. And he darn well doesn't want to hurt his "brand" by dogging it or by simply retiring. The only way Davis isn't playing in a Niners uniform for the next two to three years is if Baalke gets an offer he can't refuse - something that is so lucrative that it's better for the team - and I don't think that's going to happen for a 30-year old tight end. The comparisons to Sharpe and Gonzo are only appropriate to a point. Davis is a different type of player. His deal is ridiculous speed for a player his size. Sharp and Gonzo were natural pass catchers. Long after Gonzo lost what speed he had, he was still going up for the ball with DB's all over him and bringing it down. Davis isn't that kind of player.
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think this maybe a bit overblown. I'm sure he wants a new contract, but he maybe holding out just to extend his off season or explore other ventures that are making him more money than he gets paid for being in camp. Only time will tell tho...

thats why i said im not gunna panic unlewjillss this "holdout" goes deep into training camp. Then we may actually have a situation worth being concerned about.

We should probably wait and cross that bridge when we get to it.

My guess is that crossing the bridge before we get to it will just make us look stupid.


Thank you guys! Finally some common sense.

This.
Originally posted by DeUh:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
everyone on the team wants an extension and a pay raise...does the whole team miss mandatory camps ?

specialists?

Walsh's motto?

cancer?

everyone on the team--all 89 of the players on the roster today?

please.

Davis has missed voluntary workouts and three days of mandatory mini camp. Nothing more, Nothing less.

I think Davis is making a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your assertions are almost funny.

49AllTheTime was like.......
yes...guys love the players more then the team..sad
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Originally posted by JimHarbaugh:
We have FANTEK to thanks for the holdout. Put the pressure on him.

Vernon Davis, like Alex Boone, is an adult.

Davis is responsible for his holdout. Boone is responsible for his holdout.
[ Edited by buck on Jun 19, 2014 at 3:16 PM ]
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