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Vernon Davis

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Originally posted by Afrikan:
dp.

you say that like it's a bad thing
Is the sky falling again?

Hopefully this is not a distraction for too long.

The tricky part of pro sports is when players, like Vernon, preach they are all about the team...but then can "hurt" the team's progress by holding out for money. But then again it's a business so there's a fine line between being about the "team" vs personal financial gain.

I'll try refraining from judging since I can't tell another if he/she does or doesn't deserve money.
Originally posted by SFrush:
and that's what exactly? It only tells me he saw single coverage and he took a shot.

It tells me that Kap trusts Crab more than VD at crunch time and in the red zone where he should look for a 6'3" 250 long armed physical stout big handed fast explosive TE that is in and of himself a complete mismatch for any defender. Why is that? I say it is because VD is not a natural hands catcher and he doesn't always know how to use his body to shield off defenders in tight spaces to make those plays close in like a Tony G would. I have listed several things that VD does that no other can do but this is something Witten Kyle Rudolph and less physically talented guys excel at. Could be Kap too. Alex had rapport with VD but for some reason Kap ain't looking for VD enough in my book and he should and VD should cone through. VD was open vs BAL in that Super Bowl but Kap never looked his way
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Is the sky falling again?

Hopefully this is not a distraction for too long.

The tricky part of pro sports is when players, like Vernon, preach they are all about the team...but then can "hurt" the team's progress by holding out for money. But then again it's a business so there's a fine line between being about the "team" vs personal financial gain.

I'll try refraining from judging since I can't tell another if he/she does or doesn't deserve money.

Both players will be here when it counts. There won't be a Crabtree holdout. I think both want to be here and they see the cap going up and they don't want to play at what they perceive as a discount.
Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Is the sky falling again?

Hopefully this is not a distraction for too long.

The tricky part of pro sports is when players, like Vernon, preach they are all about the team...but then can "hurt" the team's progress by holding out for money. But then again it's a business so there's a fine line between being about the "team" vs personal financial gain.

I'll try refraining from judging since I can't tell another if he/she does or doesn't deserve money.

Both players will be here when it counts. There won't be a Crabtree holdout. I think both want to be here and they see the cap going up and they don't want to play at what they perceive as a discount.
I just can't imagine our offense without Vernon. Hopefully we extend him long term.
Boone and V.D. are basically telling Gore to get lost.

F.O. will take care of things. Not worried.
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The bottom line is that with the new collective bargaining agreement, players do not have leverage in negotiations. If he refuses to play out his contract, he will get hit with major penalties that I believe cannot be waived. Expect both Boone and VD to report to all mandatory training activities. Boone probably has a good chance to get an improved contract because he is so woefully underpaid (and young enough to warrant a future contract) - just like they aren't forcing Kap to play out his rookie contract. For VD, I doubt he will get a new contract. He is already well paid, and they may not be that worried about resigning him at 32. Chances are he won't blackball them when it comes to negotiating his next contract.

One final comment. Players that sell stock in themselves are not good for the team. They become more focused on maximizing their earnings, which is to the detriment of the team operating under a salary cap. They have every right to try and get as much money as they can, but as a fan who wants a successful team, I view the player stock option as a negative.
Originally posted by fryet:
The bottom line is that with the new collective bargaining agreement, players do not have leverage in negotiations. If he refuses to play out his contract, he will get hit with major penalties that I believe cannot be waived. Expect both Boone and VD to report to all mandatory training activities. Boone probably has a good chance to get an improved contract because he is so woefully underpaid (and young enough to warrant a future contract) - just like they aren't forcing Kap to play out his rookie contract. For VD, I doubt he will get a new contract. He is already well paid, and they may not be that worried about resigning him at 32. Chances are he won't blackball them when it comes to negotiating his next contract.

One final comment. Players that sell stock in themselves are not good for the team. They become more focused on maximizing their earnings, which is to the detriment of the team operating under a salary cap. They have every right to try and get as much money as they can, but as a fan who wants a successful team, I view the player stock option as a negative.

I fully agree with you on the player stock option thing. 4949 Centennial ain't playing along with that. He better start finding new revenue streams off the field.
Its just business guys

No need to worry
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Its just business guys

No need to worry

Boone and VD are the least of my worries. We got two years of them but it makes for interesting convo
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Its just business guys

No need to worry

Boone and VD are the least of my worries. We got two years of them but it makes for interesting convo

Fasho

This is actually expected with a roster so talented like the niners
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by SFrush:
and that's what exactly? It only tells me he saw single coverage and he took a shot.

It tells me that Kap trusts Crab more than VD at crunch time and in the red zone where he should look for a 6'3" 250 long armed physical stout big handed fast explosive TE that is in and of himself a complete mismatch for any defender. Why is that? I say it is because VD is not a natural hands catcher and he doesn't always know how to use his body to shield off defenders in tight spaces to make those plays close in like a Tony G would. I have listed several things that VD does that no other can do but this is something Witten Kyle Rudolph and less physically talented guys excel at. Could be Kap too. Alex had rapport with VD but for some reason Kap ain't looking for VD enough in my book and he should and VD should cone through. VD was open vs BAL in that Super Bowl but Kap never looked his way

Or that Kaep is still a work in progress going through his progressions which he is.
Davis, 30, is set to make $5.1 million and $4.95 million over the next two seasons. The eight-year pro is coming off a 13 touchdown, 850-yard season. His average sallary of $7.4 million over the course of the deal ranks third among tight ends.

After reading this I really don't see why VD has an issue right now.
[ Edited by lamontb on May 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM ]
So, I just saw VD wants a new contract on the bottom line of NFL Network (watching Top 10 teams not to win title, and the lack of the 1987 49ers has infuriated me...), and then read Maiocco's article, and all I have to say is this:

WHY IS THIS A PROBLEM?!?!?!?!

We are getting around $6mil in cap relief from the Rogers release, and we still need some cap relief to get Kaep/Crabs resigned. Yes, Vernon has 10mil left total over two years, but he's been our best offensive weapon for the past few years and hasn't shown ANY deterioration. Now, ppl may go "he's 30yrs old, he's losing speed", all I can say is "when did he show a lack of production or speed?".

What the Niners need to do is extend VD and J. Smith (yes, he's getting older, but he deserves the money), giving them bigger contracts that have huge bonuses and back loaded, which will allow us to resign Kaep/Crabs and keep VD happy. We are getting a ridiculous increase of money from stadium, seat licensing, Santa Clara money, etc., so just pay the guy and keep our core of Kaep/Crabs/VD/Staley on offense, and Willis/Bowman/Reid/Smith on defense.

As for Boone, he needs to recognize the situation before demanding a contract extension. He's been great for us at RG, but for a team with a former 1st rounder w/experience in Harbaugh's system at OT/OG (J.Martin), three experienced OL who can play OG (Kilgore/Looney/Snyder), a rookie OC who can also play OG (M.Martin), and a rookie OG who is injured this season but was selected to possibly supplant Iupati (Thomas) next season, there's no way he has the leverage to demand a pay increase via hold-out.