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Close look at OL blocks and QB passes

1st Quarter analysis of passes and OL responsibility

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

1. sp - 5 step drop, 3 second pass - 4 DL rush - 62 + 68 contained LDE... 65 + 44 contained RDE... 66 contained LDT... 64 contained RDT... good job by all. deep sideline pass barely reviewed incomplete to Crabtree (feet)

2. sh - no steps back, 2 second pass - 5 rush - all OL did enough to allow the quick pass to Crabtree... nice block from 21 to pick up Briggs. about a 13 yd gain

3. sh - 3 step drop turned into lots more due to pressure - the RDE was offsides + shot right past 65 to put massive pressure... 62 had his man slip past him and 66 tried to help from the side... 68 was losing ground rapidly from LDE + LDT but stayed in front as long as possible. Beautiful off-balance pass and completion to Crabtree, so they declined the offsides.

4. sp - 7 step drop, 3 sec pass - 4 DL rush - pass to VD over middle for 7 yds. good job by all OL, but 64 could have been called for a push in the back when trying to assist 65 on his man. VD showing nice break-tackle ability. (VD jumps offsides on next play)

5. sp - 3 step drop, 2 second pass - 4 DL rush - perfect slant pass to Crabtree DROPPED at the 4 yd line. Blocking did enough... 62 was failing and got quick help from 21.

6. sh - receiver bunched on each side - 3 step drop, within 2 seconds, forced to scramble... 65 was beaten outside, BUT contained RDE just enough... 64 was free inside and looking around to help... 66 lost ground and couldn't sustain RDT block... 62 did really well, but then failed to sustain... allowing his scrambling QB to get sacked. The main failure was from 68, who was somewhat sideways and jolted backwards to allow the LDE to get 1st contact with QB, who broke the tackle, but then Rachal failed to sustain.---------------------

7. (run/run) - sh - 3 step drop, 5 rush - 2.5 sec pass... it was a jumbled mess in the center, but 66 was the only one that let a man get through for interior pressure of the QB... wasn't awful... he looked left to help and the blitzing ILB squeezed right. 62 + 68 did okay... 65 did fine... 64 + 66 could have done much better. The pass caught to Hill over the middle... who fought hard but came up shy of the 1st by an inch.
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end of 1st quarter
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2nd quarter

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

8. sb - 3 step drop, 5 rushing, slight pump-fake, Alex shows some indecision (didn't like what he sees)... after 3 seconds, the OL crumbles. 68 did okay... 62 did initially well, then was pushed back into Alex... 66 easily handles blitzing DB up middle... 64 was getting gradually beaten/outmuscled around his outside shoulder and gave up the sack.. 65 did well at first, but failed to stay in front of his man coming back inside... QB had time for a quick read or two, but didn't like what he saw... then OL crumbled in on him.

9. sh - no steps back, 4 DL rush - quick-screen to Morgan for 11 yds. OL did just enough, but lost ground quickly from 66 and 64...

10. sp - quick PA... 4 DL rush... QB rolls out right by necessity and gets 5 seconds... decent try from 68 as he came over to help 85 who was failing... 62 did alright initially, but could have been flagged for a shove in the back... 66 did okay... 64 did very well in both initial block and pull block on a late screen... Sims did okay washing his RDE out. Good pass and catch to 21 for the 1st.

11. sh - 3 step drop, 3 second shovel pass... 68 contained outside well, but allowed LDE to get very close to QB just as he shovel passed... 62, 66, 64 all did well clearing room... 65 was beaten outside badly, but the QB stepped inside and away from RDE... 21 getting a lil inside block, then coming free for the shovel pass. gain of 9 yds

12. sb - 5 step drop... 5 rush... it was a designed quick out to 84. Problem was, 21 decided to help block inside for 68 rather than engage the outside blitzing LB... so the LB jumped up and batted the pass, nearly intercepting it.

13. sh - 3 step drop... 3 second pass... 4 DL rush - every OL was quickly getting backed up into QB, but 65 + 64 were the worst of it. Nice pass over middle to 84 for a 1st down.

14. I-form 2 backs - 5 step drop, 3 second pass - intercepted. Supposed miscommunication b/w QB and 15. 15 had lost balance and CB made a nice play on the ball. OL held up well
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end of 2nd quarter
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3rd quarter

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

1. (run/run) sh - 4 DL rush - 2 step, 2 second pass... quick screen to Crabtree... OL did their job
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2. 2 back run formation - 5 step drop, 3 second pass... check down to 21 in the flat... OL did well enough, though 68 was quickly getting shoved back into QB's space.. loss of 2 yds

* called back on offside D penalty - sh - 5 step drop - just under 3 seconds - 62 failed his block of the LDT, and 68 was driven back into QB's space... 62's man hit the QB as he released and the ball hung up for an INT.
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3. 2 backs, twin WRs - 5 step drop, 5 rush - 3 second pass... pass complete to Crabtree on a deep in... all OL did well

4. 2 back form - 5 step PA, 6 rush - 3 second pass complete to Morgan for 4 yds... OL did well (Crabtree shows off excellent intensity on blocking)

5. sh - 3 steps, 3 seconds, 4 DL rush - All other OL + 85 did well except for 68 (flagged for illegally downfield) and 64 (allowed nasty interior pressure from RDT to QB).

6. sb - 5 step drop, 3 sec pass, 4 DL rush - pass to VD over middle... 65 gets help from 21... 64 does well on RDT... All OL did well enough... ( *Golic comments on how SF has barely tried to take shots down the field )

end of 3rd quarter
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4th quarter coming when I get more time today
Originally posted by oldman9er:
1st Quarter analysis of passes and OL responsibility

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

1. sp - 5 step drop, 3 second pass - 4 DL rush - 62 + 68 contained LDE... 65 + 44 contained RDE... 66 contained LDT... 64 contained RDT... good job by all. deep sideline pass barely reviewed incomplete to Crabtree (feet)

2. sh - no steps back, 2 second pass - 5 rush - all OL did enough to allow the quick pass to Crabtree... nice block from 21 to pick up Briggs. about a 13 yd gain

3. sh - 3 step drop turned into lots more due to pressure - the RDE was offsides + shot right past 65 to put massive pressure... 62 had his man slip past him and 66 tried to help from the side... 68 was losing ground rapidly from LDE + LDT but stayed in front as long as possible. Beautiful off-balance pass and completion to Crabtree, so they declined the offsides.

4. sp - 7 step drop, 3 sec pass - 4 DL rush - pass to VD over middle for 7 yds. good job by all OL, but 64 could have been called for a push in the back when trying to assist 65 on his man. VD showing nice break-tackle ability. (VD jumps offsides on next play)

5. sp - 3 step drop, 2 second pass - 4 DL rush - perfect slant pass to Crabtree DROPPED at the 4 yd line. Blocking did enough... 62 was failing and got quick help from 21.

6. sh - receiver bunched on each side - 3 step drop, within 2 seconds, forced to scramble... 65 was beaten outside, BUT contained RDE just enough... 64 was free inside and looking around to help... 66 lost ground and couldn't sustain RDT block... 62 did really well, but then failed to sustain... allowing his scrambling QB to get sacked. The main failure was from 68, who was somewhat sideways and jolted backwards to allow the LDE to get 1st contact with QB, who broke the tackle, but then Rachal failed to sustain.---------------------

7. (run/run) - sh - 3 step drop, 5 rush - 2.5 sec pass... it was a jumbled mess in the center, but 66 was the only one that let a man get through for interior pressure of the QB... wasn't awful... he looked left to help and the blitzing ILB squeezed right. 62 + 68 did okay... 65 did fine... 64 + 66 could have done much better. The pass caught to Hill over the middle... who fought hard but came up shy of the 1st by an inch.
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end of 1st quarter
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2nd quarter

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

8. sb - 3 step drop, 5 rushing, slight pump-fake, Alex shows some indecision (didn't like what he sees)... after 3 seconds, the OL crumbles. 68 did okay... 62 did initially well, then was pushed back into Alex... 66 easily handles blitzing DB up middle... 64 was getting gradually beaten/outmuscled around his outside shoulder and gave up the sack.. 65 did well at first, but failed to stay in front of his man coming back inside... QB had time for a quick read or two, but didn't like what he saw... then OL crumbled in on him.

9. sh - no steps back, 4 DL rush - quick-screen to Morgan for 11 yds. OL did just enough, but lost ground quickly from 66 and 64...

10. sp - quick PA... 4 DL rush... QB rolls out right by necessity and gets 5 seconds... decent try from 68 as he came over to help 85 who was failing... 62 did alright initially, but could have been flagged for a shove in the back... 66 did okay... 64 did very well in both initial block and pull block on a late screen... Sims did okay washing his RDE out. Good pass and catch to 21 for the 1st.

11. sh - 3 step drop, 3 second shovel pass... 68 contained outside well, but allowed LDE to get very close to QB just as he shovel passed... 62, 66, 64 all did well clearing room... 65 was beaten outside badly, but the QB stepped inside and away from RDE... 21 getting a lil inside block, then coming free for the shovel pass. gain of 9 yds

12. sb - 5 step drop... 5 rush... it was a designed quick out to 84. Problem was, 21 decided to help block inside for 68 rather than engage the outside blitzing LB... so the LB jumped up and batted the pass, nearly intercepting it.

13. sh - 3 step drop... 3 second pass... 4 DL rush - every OL was quickly getting backed up into QB, but 65 + 64 were the worst of it. Nice pass over middle to 84 for a 1st down.

14. I-form 2 backs - 5 step drop, 3 second pass - intercepted. Supposed miscommunication b/w QB and 15. 15 had lost balance and CB made a nice play on the ball. OL held up well
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end of 2nd quarter
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3rd quarter

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

1. (run/run) sh - 4 DL rush - 2 step, 2 second pass... quick screen to Crabtree... OL did their job
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2. 2 back run formation - 5 step drop, 3 second pass... check down to 21 in the flat... OL did well enough, though 68 was quickly getting shoved back into QB's space.. loss of 2 yds

* called back on offside D penalty - sh - 5 step drop - just under 3 seconds - 62 failed his block of the LDT, and 68 was driven back into QB's space... 62's man hit the QB as he released and the ball hung up for an INT.
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3. 2 backs, twin WRs - 5 step drop, 5 rush - 3 second pass... pass complete to Crabtree on a deep in... all OL did well

4. 2 back form - 5 step PA, 6 rush - 3 second pass complete to Morgan for 4 yds... OL did well (Crabtree shows off excellent intensity on blocking)

5. sh - 3 steps, 3 seconds, 4 DL rush - All other OL + 85 did well except for 68 (flagged for illegally downfield) and 64 (allowed nasty interior pressure from RDT to QB).

6. sb - 5 step drop, 3 sec pass, 4 DL rush - pass to VD over middle... 65 gets help from 21... 64 does well on RDT... All OL did well enough... ( *Golic comments on how SF has barely tried to take shots down the field )

end of 3rd quarter
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4th quarter coming when I get more time today

wow, this is quite the analysis. Thank you for that
nice so it seems when alex gets at least 2 or 3 seconds in the pocket he gets a completition which is a good sign thx a lot and good job on the anyalsis
thanks, all... and to finish this out...

4th quarter

sh = shotgun ---------- sp = spread ----------- sb = singleback -------

65=Sims --- 64=Baas --- 66= Heitmann --- 62= Rachal --- 68= Snyder

1. sh - 2-3 step drop, 2 second pass, 4 DL rush- incomplete sideline pass to 84... Morgan slipped on his comeback route... 68 blocked in on LDT, thankfully 62 came outside to pick up the LDE closing in outside... 65 did fine with 21 watching to help... 64 and 66 did their job

2. sp - 5 step drop, 3.5 seconds, 4 DL rush - QB looks to at least 2 different targets before he flicks it out short to 21. 65 did just enough and had 21 watching for him at first... 65 should have put a better jolt on RDE, he was awfully close to getting QB... 64 anchored the RDT well... 62 was turned and hit the ground face-first embarassingly... thanks to 66 for handling the LDT just well enough... 68 did enough on the LDE, but dropped so deep that he put himself too close to QB... 21 gains 5 yds

3. sb - 5 rush - 5 step drop turns into more from protection breakdowns... QB rolls out left to buy 5 seconds (WRs do an awful job of finding open space)... 68 did well enough on the LDE... 62 picked up blitzing DB (62 looked SLOW off the snap)... 66 was gradually yet quickly going backwards from the RDT bull rush... which also put 64 embarassingly on his knees... 65 did well on the LDE... 21 got enough on the LT before running a short route, and the roll out negated any further impact

4. sh - 2 steps, 5 rush - QB look left to Hill on a slant... wisely does not throw, as he sees the DB underneath and waiting... the weakside collapses toward QB an he slips as he starts to back away... the extra rusher (DB) is bearing down on the right, so QB throws out of bounds. Either we need a deeper QB drop or better anchored OL... 65 was backed into QB's space quickly by the RDE... 64 faired only slightly better from the RDT... 66 was okay... 62 was blown back by the LDT + LDE quite a bit as the QB secured his own footing... ultimately convincing him to throw it away... 68 just... fell down. He either fell back from the right leg of 62 or just fell down on his own... it was... a sad sight reminding me of a drunkard that just... fell down on his arse.

* I really liked the quick QB-fake pass and draw to Gore on the following season... slick.
* Lots of running and time chewed up here... key block from VD to get MRob the 3rd and 3 conversion outside

* called back on defensive penalty... 2 backs, twin WRs - PA roll out... VD missed a "chuck" on the LDE... LDE shot straight through quickly to the roll out side... QB was in the air and throwing it, just off of 44's hand.

5. sh - 5 step drop... shovel pass to MRob to convert the 1st... All OL did well... 68 was beaten outside, but did just enough to wash him away from QB, who also stepped in.

6. sh - 3 step drop, 4 rush - QB forced to scramble... 68 did well on LDE... 62 did well on initial contact, but faile miserable then after, allowing the LDT to get around his inside shoulder and force QB to run... 66, 64, 65 all did their job...

* it looked for a second that QB could have pulled up and thrown a short pass to Morgan, but it's impossible to see if Morgan had someone lurking close by...

end of game

Bottom line is that the Bears were getting far too much success with just rushing their front 4... while throwing lots of coverage out there with everyone else. We continue to lose the battle in the trenches, and it's beyond depressing.
Looks like Alex is doing his job, getting rid of the ball in 3 seconds or less. Hopefully he can get his accuracy down, and the WRs can make some plays. How many times have we seen QBs make a pass and the WR make a great play on the ball. We need that type of play from our WRs, hopefully we'll see that soon.
Nice work! Love to see focus on the line, which is unusual.
Oldman;
Thanks for the detailed analysis. It looks clearly as though our oline is not anywhere near quality. We need some significant revamping. Just as a thought to get your feedback. Is Heitmann a quality center. By this I am asking if he had support from the right and left guard would he hold up? Staley seems to be ok and if Heitmann is ok then we only need RT and LG and RG. Any thoughts along these lines?
Great breakdown oldman9er! When Alex gets time he is moving & spreading the ball.
As always
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Next time, can we have this analysis with names instead of numbers? A find and replace could quickly replace the numbers with names. It would make it easier to understand who was succeeding and who was failing. Regardless, thank you for doing this work!

We have 2 second round picks invested in our guards. That suggests to me that there is something wrong with the coaching since they both are underperforming. Hopefully at least one of them can be rehabilitated so that we don't need to look for replacements for both. I do think we need to draft a right tackle.

One other thing that needs to improve is our WR. The 49ers are facing a lot of man defense. With man defense, WR should be getting more YAC. If the WR start to punish the defense for using man defense, then that should force more zone defense, increasing our completion percentage, and sustaining more drives.
2.6 seconds is the average amount of time to throw that I see here.

The OL did enough?

Hogwash.

It's clear to me that plays have been DESIGN in anticipation of poor line play. To make valuable conclusion of OL performance, you have to compare the average time this team provides it's QB with the time other OLs around the league provide their QBs.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
2.6 seconds is the average amount of time to throw that I see here.

The OL did enough?

Hogwash.

It's clear to me that plays have been DESIGN in anticipation of poor line play. To make valuable conclusion of OL performance, you have to compare the average time this team provides it's QB with the time other OLs around the league provide their QBs.

It has to be near the bottom. The only teams I realistically see being worse on the line are KC and Oakland.
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
2.6 seconds is the average amount of time to throw that I see here.

The OL did enough?

Hogwash.

It's clear to me that plays have been DESIGN in anticipation of poor line play. To make valuable conclusion of OL performance, you have to compare the average time this team provides it's QB with the time other OLs around the league provide their QBs.

It has to be near the bottom. The only teams I realistically see being worse on the line are KC and Oakland.

Statements you will NEVER hear this year:

"Smith had all day to throw".

"That was a coverage sack; the QB had time but no one was open."

"You just can't give Smith that much time. Eventually someone is going to come free."
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I'm not sure if this website has been posted before here but I recently stumbled upon it while reading Peter King on SI. Basically, it's a bunch of stat junkies who break down EVERY play of EVERY game and rate players on their performance according to some defined criteria.

Pro Football Focus

According to them, here's the breakdown of our O-line so far this season. A rating of 0 means they are playing at an average level for their position (T, G, or C) in comparison to the rest of the league.

LT - Joe Staley (-0.9)
LG - David Baas (-8.9)
C - Eric Heitmann (+6.6)
RG - Chilo Rachal (-8.6)
RT - Adam Snyder (-17.9)

T - Tony Pashos (+3.0)
G - Tony Wragge (+0.2)
T - Barry Sims (-3.6)

This seems pretty intuitive to me as it seems a lot of the pressure is coming from the right side of the line pretty consistently. You don't even want to see Snyder's rating from '08...
[ Edited by CalgaryNiner on Nov 19, 2009 at 12:26 PM ]
Originally posted by CalgaryNiner:
I'm not sure if this website has been posted before here but I recently stumbled upon it while reading Peter King on SI. Basically, it's a bunch of stat junkies who break down EVERY play of EVERY game and rate players on their performance according to some defined criteria.

Pro Football Focus

According to them, here's the breakdown of our O-line so far this season. A rating of 0 means they are playing at an average level for their position (T, G, or C) in comparison to the rest of the league.

LT - Joe Staley (-0.9)
LG - David Baas (-8.9)
C - Eric Heitmann (+6.6)
RG - Chilo Rachal (-8.6)
RT - Adam Snyder (-17.9)

T - Tony Pashos (+3.0)
G - Tony Wragge (+0.2)

This seems pretty intuitive to me as it seems a lot of the pressure is coming from the right side of the line pretty consistently. You don't even want to see Snyder's rating from '08...

Wow...



It makes you want to rip your hair out