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Question for the Old Timers about Trick Plays with Walsh?

Originally posted by Goldtimer:
I remember a play where Montana was either in shotgun or he dropped back, Roger Craig stepped in front of him and Montana handed it off to him from behind (Roger's back was turned to Montana's )...if anyone remembers it...

I'd forgotten about that play until you made mention of it...
I don't know the actual name of the play, I called it the Wrap-Around-Draw play.
Can't remember the first time (year-wise), or which team Walsh used it against.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by zozell:
What was the sickest, most bad ass trick play, gimmick play, wild cat offense play or anything else along those lines that you remember seeing Bill Walsh run? I know the entire WCO was something new that had never been seen before, so we know he was an innovator in that regard, but was there anything that just stood out to you as a cool trick play he ran?

Anything crazy like Montana and Young on the feild together? Direct snaps to RB's? Fake field goals, fake punts etc?

I am old enough (31) to remember watching games back then, but I was a youngin so while I remember that time, I don't remember specific games, plays etc.

Can you guys remember any? Maybe provide a youtube link if possible?

Quick Slant and designed pass plays to the RB

This.

-My best advice would be to research the 1988 Superbowl run (with each performance by Roger Craig broken down). That was easily Walsh's best year strategically (even though it was his last), we had suffered all kinds of horrible injuries (Jerry Rice was suffering through ankle issues, Montana was in and out), so towards the mid-point of the season (when we almost got knocked out of the playoffs) we centralized a lot of trickery around Roger Craig.

We went from an insane/unstoppable passing team the year before (1987) to a dink and dunk/hitching scheme with probably the most underrated defense in 1988 (and Seifert's boys bailed us out of a lot of close/low-scoring games similar to the ones we've seen this year against even the most mediocre teams in the league).
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Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
tn9er, so was I, where were you seated ?

The seat I had for that game was in the upper deck in the corner of the north end zone..
My mother had season tickets back then and I scored 7 games that season..
Originally posted by BigRon:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
In the early years -- yes -- but not so much in the later years. We simply didn't need any sort of trickery then. We were the biggest, baddest team in the NFL. We just blew people away week in and week out.

But -- yes -- I do distinctly remember a trick play that he used in preseason no less! It was his first year -- 1979 -- and we kept hearing reports about this vaunted offense -- but Walsh refused to unveil it during preseason.

At any rate -- we were getting blown out of the water by the Seahags of all teams -- when Walsh finally got frustrated by getting pushed around and called a reverse to the tight end.

Nobody had ever seen a tight end reverse before. It was brand spanking new. I can't remember the name of the tight end to be honest -- but I can tell you this much:

He scored easily.

Wasn't that Ted Kwalick

No, I think Kwalick was gone at that point. But I can't really remember.
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by BigRon:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
In the early years -- yes -- but not so much in the later years. We simply didn't need any sort of trickery then. We were the biggest, baddest team in the NFL. We just blew people away week in and week out.

But -- yes -- I do distinctly remember a trick play that he used in preseason no less! It was his first year -- 1979 -- and we kept hearing reports about this vaunted offense -- but Walsh refused to unveil it during preseason.

At any rate -- we were getting blown out of the water by the Seahags of all teams -- when Walsh finally got frustrated by getting pushed around and called a reverse to the tight end.

Nobody had ever seen a tight end reverse before. It was brand spanking new. I can't remember the name of the tight end to be honest -- but I can tell you this much:

He scored easily.

Wasn't that Ted Kwalick

No, I think Kwalick was gone at that point. But I can't really remember.



Wasn't it Earl Cooper??????????
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by BigRon:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
In the early years -- yes -- but not so much in the later years. We simply didn't need any sort of trickery then. We were the biggest, baddest team in the NFL. We just blew people away week in and week out.

But -- yes -- I do distinctly remember a trick play that he used in preseason no less! It was his first year -- 1979 -- and we kept hearing reports about this vaunted offense -- but Walsh refused to unveil it during preseason.

At any rate -- we were getting blown out of the water by the Seahags of all teams -- when Walsh finally got frustrated by getting pushed around and called a reverse to the tight end.

Nobody had ever seen a tight end reverse before. It was brand spanking new. I can't remember the name of the tight end to be honest -- but I can tell you this much:

He scored easily.

Wasn't that Ted Kwalick

No, I think Kwalick was gone at that point. But I can't really remember.

you're right. Ted was gone by then. It was one of Bruer, Ransom, Seal or MacAfee. I don't remember Bruer or Seal so my guess would be Ransom in relief of MacAfee
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WISHBONE - 1987 SCRUBS VS THE NY GIANTS
SPRINT RIGHT OPTION
BOMB TO JR AGAINST THE BUNGLES WITH 2-SECONDS LEFT ON THE CLOCK
JOE THROWS BOMB VS THE NY GIANTS TO JR WITH LESS THAN 1 MINUTE TO GO
Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
tn9er, so was I, where were you seated ?

Originally posted by tn9er:
The seat I had for that game was in the upper deck in the corner of the north end zone...

I was in the opposite endzone, behind what was once home plate. My usual seat, was between the 45 and 50 yard lines. I got bumped that game, to accommodate some Chicago V.I.P. It was my first year with the team...I guess I didn't have enough clot/tenure. No matter...I got to see Wendell Tyler score on an off-tackle play, which basically sealed the game.

Originally posted by tn9er:
My mother had season tickets back then and I scored 7 games that season..

I'll bet to your friends during that time, you "Were the Man"...
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Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
tn9er, so was I, where were you seated ?

Originally posted by tn9er:
The seat I had for that game was in the upper deck in the corner of the north end zone...

I was in the opposite endzone, behind what was once home plate. My usual seat, was between the 45 and 50 yard lines. I got bumped that game, to accommodate some Chicago V.I.P. It was my first year with the team...I guess I didn't have enough clot/tenure. No matter...I got to see Wendell Tyler score on an off-tackle play, which basically sealed the game.

Originally posted by tn9er:
My mother had season tickets back then and I scored 7 games that season..

I'll bet to your friends during that time, you "Were the Man"...

I tried to go to Palo Alto for the Superbowl against Miami but I couldn't get tickets.

My Partner/ boss is a long time Miami fan and did make it to the Superbwowl. He told me he couldn't even give his extra ticket away.
Originally posted by tn9er:
I tried to go to Palo Alto for the Superbowl against Miami but I couldn't get tickets. My Partner/ boss is a long time Miami fan and did make it to the Superbwowl. He told me he couldn't even give his extra ticket away.

One memory of that day, was how out of character the weather was for the South Bay. There was this hazy overcasting effect going on, very reminiscent of San Francisco fog.

There were people everywhere...seemed as many outside the stadium, as inside. Lots of fans (of both teams) looking for tickets walking around, as well as, many people paying outrageous prices to Scalpers.

Super Bowl XIX, basically a home game for San Francisco...my first of 2 Super Bowls with the 49er's.
Walsh would run trick plays such as flea flickers, TE or WR reverses etc. , however what has to be emphasized are the formations that he used that just had DC pulling their hair out. He would over load one side, put Craig in the slot, overload the OL to the right or left, and it literally scared the sh*t out of a DC because he had no idea what was coming out of that formation.

In SB16 Walsh had the OL line up with LT,C,RT,RG,LT on the right side, 2 TE on the right side. Only ran the play one time yet forced Cincy to think about it.

In the SB with Miami ran Earl Cooper out of the backfield underneath (today a very common play) Right to left with everyone over the top clearing out Left to Right Cooper was wide open scored a TD (one on cover of SI) Niners had not run that specific formation/play in 3 seasons.

Watch the last drive that leads up to the “catch” in the 81 championship game with Dallas. The Cowboys by the 4th play of that drive had no idea what was coming. Traditionally you would pass and I mean 25+ yards not WCO and never run when starting a drive on your 8 yard line with only 3+ minutes left. The Niners were running on passing downs, throwing on running downs mixing up different RB and WR using all kinds of different formations. The WCO and Walsh made Landry Flex defense look as archaic as the dinosaurs.

As mentioned earlier Walsh started the Angus formation using Guy McIntyre in the backfield but Ditka stole it from Walsh used Perry and tended to get all the glory for the play.

Parcells and Ditka could not stand Walsh but then again we crushed the Giants and Bears on several occasion in the playoffs. Terry Bradshaw hated Montana and the WCO. Bradshaw never has nor will he ever give Montana and the Niners teams of that era the credit due. What also ticks of Bradshaw is that many believe the '84 & 89 Niners could take any Steelers team Bradshaw played for plus he will never admit they got lucky going to there first SB due to the immaculate reception.

The Niners have traditionally been inventors of new formations and offenses it was the Niners that invented the shotgun formation back in the late 50’s. I am sure one of the other old timers can tell us who the coach was that invented it I think it was Buck Shaw b
It wasn't a trick play, but there was a play they ran that teams simply couldn't stop for the better part of their 88-90 near three-peat run. It was essentially just a bootleg, but the way Walsh designed it using the RB's was just a thing of beauty:

Craig & Rathman would be in a split set shaded behind Montana, usually with one TE and 2 WR. At the snap Craig & Rathman would cross, Montana would go play action to one of the crossing RB's then do a hard boot leg in the opposite direction and about 90% of the time the other crossing RB would be running free in the flat . . . usually with a confused LB about 4 yards behind. It was close to automatic.
Not sure if this would be considered a trick play. But the first time I see our center drop back, came out to the edge to pull on a running play. WTF! I think it was Sapolu. Have never seen that from a center. Not sure if it originated from Walsh. I could be mistaken but I think we were the only team that have an athletic center capable of doing that back then. Now it's no big deal.
In 1987 there was a player strike. In a game against the Giants, Walsh ran the wishbone for a few plays. Cameras caught Walsh & Parcells both smiling about it on the sideline.

Parcells later said he was happy to see the bone, b/c that meant that Montana was on the bench. (Montana & Rice had both crossed the picket lines to play)
Some peoples memories are off.....Walsh used trick plays all the time. In his book he explained the earlier the better.


Yes Montana and young were on the field at the same time a few times ..... I remember young most of those times lined up at wr and running go routes as a decoy. Young obviously hated being a wr but he was the fastest guy on offense according to Walsh