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Shaun Hill - Final Analysis

Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by BigRon:
We need to remember this season is prep for the future. Shaun Hill has no, zero, upside. We have seen his best. If this was a team with an outstanding Oline, Great Wideouts as well as continuity in the Coaching ranks, Shaun Hill could do a good job of managing the offense and could lead a team to the playoffs. BUT, he isn't a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and drive them to the promised land. He is someone who has to rely on others to make plays, not make them himself.

I think he is a great back up to have on a team. He can step in a do a good enough job not to lose a game. I wouldn't mind having him as the number 2 on this team.

If that's the case, then we need to see what Nate has. He showed more potential in the preseason IMO...


your judging Nate Davis off of preseason? He was playing 3rd stringers and players that have been cut.

What I'm saying to the guy I quoted is if he wants to go off of potential or upside, then we need to see what Nate can do. We already know what Alex and Shaun can do.
Since you decided to chime in though, Nate showed that he has the strongest arm of all our QB's and showed he can lead a bunch of 3rd stringers against 3rd stringers. Also, he showed that he has what it takes to come from behind to win.

Now, in the past you've called Shaun a career 3rd stringer. And, you support Alex who is playing worse than Shaun has (turning the ball over more and leading the O to less points per game than Shaun).

So, what does that leave us with? A career 3rd stringer (Hill), the guy that's playing worse than a career 3rd stringer (Smith), or a young QB with the most upside on our team right now (only because it's unknown) that has beat several 3rd stringers (Nate).

I'm not impressed with Shaun and even less impressed with Smith. I don't know what Nate brings to the table, but I'd like to find out...


We already know what Alex Smith can do?? Thats funny because even the coaches don't know where his ceiling is. But yet you and many other Smith haters seem to believe that you have the ability to figure out what the coaches can't
sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)

3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)
3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.

why are you and so many other Smith haters so obssessed with Smith being a bust? Wouldn't you rather he succeed and end the "who will be the QB" problem? But the problem is just like the others your hatred for Smith blinds the fact that he has improved and still continues to improve every week. While you are screaming at your TV for Singletary to put Hill in as the starter I will be sitting back enjoying the game watching and realizing that Smith very well could be the answer. Then again he could not be the answer as well. but I will let time decide that instead of jumping to a conclusion because I hate the guy. So what has Smith done to all you haters out there? Did he sleep with your sister? Maybe knocked up your mom? I know he killed your dog. that has to be it
Originally posted by Afrikan:
sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)
3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.



Dude, of course I'm concerned with Nate's well being. He's a ROOKIE 5th round pick. I wanted him in the 2nd, 3rd, etc. because I liked his game in college. But he has a few things going against him, and he'd be going against legit NFL defenses(not that watered down vanilla BS in preseason) against first stringers against guys like Woodson that are actually play makers. He'd also be behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. And you want to throw him out there now, and I'm sorry but I just see that as a career suicide for a talented young player.

Smith is my boy, but I like Nate too, and I want to see both of them succeed. But I want to see Smith prove it this year, that he's the guy, and he might not be, but I want to see him given this one last chance. Because I'm pretty damn sure Hill isn't getting to the playoffs if he's the starter anyway because he physically can't do it. And don't tell me that "well I'm not saying Hill is the answer because I think Nate is" type of deal because I've seen you say in the last couple days that you want Hill back in there and that's you're real agenda/argument/secret wish.


LETS GO SMITTY! PLAYOFFS OR HELLA IMPROVEMENT OR BUST!
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Originally posted by AiNoKea:
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He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.

Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.

I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.

Sure Hill did have an INT in the first drive, but the game was within reach all the way up to 8:22 in the 2nd quarter at 14-10. It was Clements who gave up that short pass to Roddy White at ATL's 18 yard line for a 90 yard TD....NOT HILL. Next on the ensuing kickoff Delanie Walker fumbles the ball at SF's 38 yard line, next thing you know the defense gives up a rushing TD to Michael Turner, score now is 28-10. Next drive, again, Hill no help from the running game, Coffee up the middle for 2 yards....WTF, another 3 and out, Andy Lee punt, Delanie Walker Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 31. Here's ATL's drive:

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# Atlanta Falcons at 04:46
# 1-10-ATL 46 (4:46) PENALTY on ATL-88-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.
# 1-15-ATL 41 (4:46) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez pushed ob at SF 47 for 12 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 2-3-SF 47 (4:08) PENALTY on ATL-84-R.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 47 - No Play.
# 2-8-ATL 48 (3:43) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 87-J.Peelle to SF 40 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson; 98-P.Haralson). Caught at SF 44.
# 1-10-SF 40 (3:07) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to SF 30 for 10 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 1-10-SF 30 (2:26) 33-M.Turner left end to SF 25 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis; 32-M.Lewis).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 2-5-SF 25 (2:00) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to SF 1 for 24 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SF 3.
# 1-1-SF 1 (1:21) 33-M.Turner up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Score now is 35-10. But yet, Hill managed to do all this, again, you guys sure it was Hill's fault in that ATL game??

And yes, people still back Hill, CAUSE HE WASN'T THE ONE TURNING THE BALL OVER WHEN HE WAS PLAYING........HEEEELLLLLLLOOOO!!!

Sure Hill might not be any much better, but Smith is garbage, sure he has improved....but hes still mediocre, and that's pretty much all hes improved to.

Is he garbage or is he mediocre? Has he moved from garbage to mediocre? Maybe if he is improving, can he can move up from mediocre? Or is garbage the same as mediocre? Or has he moved from garbage to garbage? Is the latter mediocre garbage and the former some other kind of garbage?

How is turning the ball over on the first drive not turning the ball over? The game was within reach? Only if the Niners could have held the Falcons to under ten points. That was difficult because the Niners O couldn't stay on the field and theirs could.

No it wasn't all Hill's fault. It was a large combination of things. Just like it isn't all Smith's fault. And if the Niners win on Sunday, my guess is that Gore, the receivers, the offensive line, the defense and the special teams will be deserving of some credit.

I saw Montana led teams lose three NFC title games. I saw them humilated by the Giants and the Vikings in playoff games. Did Montana lose those games? Quarterbacks play an important role, no doubt. But teams win and lose games. When I see Lincecum or Cain lose 1-0, though they take the loss I have a hard time placing all of the blame on them.

I have come to realize that for some here there is nothing Smith could do to get their support. Niners can't lose, he can't throw interceptions. That will always be exclusively his fault. Maybe he won't pan out. But this team, in my opinion, was not heading to the playoffs with Hill. Not by a long shot. So why not just see if Smith can continue to improve? If it is not enough, then move on. One way or another Hill is not going to be the starter next year. So see if Smith, who certainly has the physical tools, can do it. If not go after a free agent, rush Davis or go after a QB in the draft. At least now Gore doesn't have to face nine men in the box and the Niners have the ability to throw the ball downfield and help develop players like Crabtree, Davis, Jason Hill and Morgan who may someday be vital parts of a playoff team. We can only hope.

Hes garbage as a #1 overall pick, but hes improved to medicore, which IMO is still garbage to me.

Shaun Hill 5-2

Alex Smith 6-6

Now tell me who turns the ball over more?? Very simple answer, but of course Smith supporters do the "believe what we want, when we want" thing, as well as "see what we want, when we want and how we want" thing.

I accept Alex Smith is our starter, nothing that I can control of course, except for my own opinion. But if Smith does not HELP guide us to the playoffs, really do hope hes gone next year.

Only thing hes proved IMO, at least he was better than Jim Druckenmiller.

Can't wait for the tons of fun of excuses Sunday night.

So he turns the ball over more. We'll give you that, but really, who cares? He has more TDs than Hill already in half as many games. The offense moves the ball. The WRs are involved. Gore is running the ball a lot better. The defense is better rested. I think we're all going to have to agree to disagree, but me personally, I'd take 27 TDs and a lot of INTs, over 200 yards a game passing, and an offense that can move the chains, as opposed to 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 150 yards per game passing, and lead the league in 3-and-outs.

I think it's pretty funny how people point out how Hill turns the ball over less. True, but the reason is because Hill doesn't take many chances. He won't lose a game for you, but the problem is, he won't win it for you either. I guess it comes down to would you rather have a couple turnovers throughout the entire game, or constantly go 3-and-out throughout the entire game?

Boy how you seem to forget his play last year. Only reason Smith has ONE more TD than Hill, is because they have been passing more with Smith in, as opposed to running it on a predictable 1st and 2nd down. We can go on and on with Shaun Hill on what he has done and hasn't done, but this is Smith's moment to prove us wrong and he is our starter. All I can say is, put up or shut up or GTFO and make way for a new QB.

And why were we predictable with Hill in there? Oh yeah, because he couldn't pass.
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Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:

We all know what's best for our beloved team, its just our opinions differ. But you say your not a Smith supporter, Hill basher....but that's funny, I didn't EVER see you support or back up Hill when he was starting??

Funny how short of a leash Hill gets as opposed to Alex Smith. Two games and we pull Hill, how much have we lost already with Smith in there??

It's not about wins and losses, it's about how each QB has played. Do you think just because Hill won 1 more game than Smith did, he should remain QB for the remainder of the season? We should be happy that Hill beat the Rams and Seahawks? He played basically 5.5 bad games. The defense let him off the hook in each of the games. Yes, the defense bailed out Smith against Chicago, but Gore was able to ice the game. Notice how we ran the ball out of shotgun though? Do you see a reason for that? The Bears had to respect Smith's arm, so we could actually use shotgun and run the ball out of it, and we were pretty successful with that. With Hill back there, I doubt we'd get that creative. We'd just continue to run the ball up the gut just like we did against Arizona and Minnesota.

By the way, I was supporting Hill last season after he took over for O'Sullivan. I thought he was pretty good last year. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing accurately. Unfortunately, all QBs appear that way with Martz, and now that he's gone, we all see Hill's true colors.

What are you talking about? It's all about wins and losses... No team makes the playoffs because there QB had more 300 yard games or less turnovers throughout the season...

To answer your question, I don't think anyone wants Hill to be our QB because he's won 2 more games than Smith this year. I think it's because he hasn't given the game away with turnovers and stupid actions (penalties/decisions/etc...)

We all know if our team wins the turnover battle we stand a better chance of winning the game, right? Including fumbles lost, Alex averages 2 turnovers a start right now. Shaun averages 1/2 of a turnover per start this year.

For Alex, all of his turnovers have led to a total of 27 points. For Hill, his have led to a total of 13 points. Averaging across the # of starts, Smith needs to score 9 additional points per start to make up for his turnovers where Shaun need just over 2.

Now averaging how many points we put up with each QB in there per start (not counting the Hou game because of obvious reasons) Smith averages 17 points a game and Hill averages 22...

The reason I put all this info out like this is to prove that Smith is hurting the team much more than he is helping. His turnovers are costing us more points per game and with him as the QB we are putting up less points per game. This is a formula for losing...

Look, Hill sucks. We know this; but, he's been better for the team than Smith has so far.

Not according to the 49ers coaches and about 95% of the fans. You're in the minority on this one. Just because Hill didn't throw INTs, doesn't mean he's better for the team. He lead the league in 3-and-outs. Remember that, or did you conveniently block this from your memory? Smith moves the ball. Our run game is improved. Our OL is improved. Our defense is better rested. That's why he's the starter and Hill is on the bench.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would still want Hill starting after the Rams, Falcons, and Texans games. Seriously, go back and watch those 3 games one after another. Now tell me, after you're done wasting about 9 hours of your life, if you want this to continue.
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Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by BigRon:
We need to remember this season is prep for the future. Shaun Hill has no, zero, upside. We have seen his best. If this was a team with an outstanding Oline, Great Wideouts as well as continuity in the Coaching ranks, Shaun Hill could do a good job of managing the offense and could lead a team to the playoffs. BUT, he isn't a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and drive them to the promised land. He is someone who has to rely on others to make plays, not make them himself.

I think he is a great back up to have on a team. He can step in a do a good enough job not to lose a game. I wouldn't mind having him as the number 2 on this team.

If that's the case, then we need to see what Nate has. He showed more potential in the preseason IMO...


your judging Nate Davis off of preseason? He was playing 3rd stringers and players that have been cut.

What I'm saying to the guy I quoted is if he wants to go off of potential or upside, then we need to see what Nate can do. We already know what Alex and Shaun can do.

Since you decided to chime in though, Nate showed that he has the strongest arm of all our QB's and showed he can lead a bunch of 3rd stringers against 3rd stringers. Also, he showed that he has what it takes to come from behind to win.

Now, in the past you've call Shaun a career 3rd stringer. And, you support Alex who is playing worse than Shaun has (turning the ball over more and leading the O to less points per game than Shaun).

So, what does that leave us with? A career 3rd stringer (Hill), the guy that's playing worse than a career 3rd stringer (Smith), or a young QB with the most upside on our team right now (only because it's unknown) that has beat several 3rd stringers (Nate).

I'm not impressed with Shaun and even less impressed with Smith. I don't know what Nate brings to the table, but I'd like to find out...


For f**ks sake Nate Davis is practicing as a DB on the scout team, according to Maiocco. No offense but the kid is still a dyslexic rookie who doesn't know the majority of the play book and you want to send him out with THIS OLine? Sorry bro but that's nuts.

Ok... I never said he was the messiah. I just said I'd like to see what he can do because it's an unknown. You can act like you know just how he would play all you want; but, we all know it's BS. Because, none of us have any info on what this kid can or can't do.

No but we have information predicting what he might do. I mean I know you don't like Smith, but come on if he is a bust like you say, would you really want to expose Nate to a similar situation that could stunt his development and ruin him? WE basically wrote the book on how to ruin a young QB, lets not write the sequel. We can let him sit and learn and get him ready with another offseason.

Again, I never said to start the kid or to throw him in like chum into a shark tank ... I'm sure we could do better to prep him than having him play as a DB on the scout team... Let him get some mop-up time at the end of the game or bring him along like they did with Montana back in the day...

As for your dyslexia comment... You do know that dyslexia does not mean the kid is stupid, right? It just means that he needs to learn a different way then most; that's all. Look, as an educator, I've worked with a few dyslexic students and most of them are just as smart as you or I. In some ways they may be even smarter because of the hard work they have had to put in to overcome their learning condition...

I never said he's stupid. I have a dyslexic cousin and she's not retarded. But I do know it takes longer to learn, and he said earlier in TC or whatever he hopes that he can learn the playbook by the end of the year. How are we going to put in a guy who hasn't compeitively thrown a football in a game, who doesn't even know the whole playbook, who hasn't even practiced most of the plays, and expect him to do well?

You said we could bring him along like Montana but obviously that's not occurring now so why are you saying to put him in right now?

I said we need to find out what he can do not to put him in right now.

Calling him a dyslexic rookie, like you did, sure sounds like you're calling him stupid though...
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by BigRon:
We need to remember this season is prep for the future. Shaun Hill has no, zero, upside. We have seen his best. If this was a team with an outstanding Oline, Great Wideouts as well as continuity in the Coaching ranks, Shaun Hill could do a good job of managing the offense and could lead a team to the playoffs. BUT, he isn't a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and drive them to the promised land. He is someone who has to rely on others to make plays, not make them himself.

I think he is a great back up to have on a team. He can step in a do a good enough job not to lose a game. I wouldn't mind having him as the number 2 on this team.

If that's the case, then we need to see what Nate has. He showed more potential in the preseason IMO...


your judging Nate Davis off of preseason? He was playing 3rd stringers and players that have been cut.

What I'm saying to the guy I quoted is if he wants to go off of potential or upside, then we need to see what Nate can do. We already know what Alex and Shaun can do.
Since you decided to chime in though, Nate showed that he has the strongest arm of all our QB's and showed he can lead a bunch of 3rd stringers against 3rd stringers. Also, he showed that he has what it takes to come from behind to win.

Now, in the past you've called Shaun a career 3rd stringer. And, you support Alex who is playing worse than Shaun has (turning the ball over more and leading the O to less points per game than Shaun).

So, what does that leave us with? A career 3rd stringer (Hill), the guy that's playing worse than a career 3rd stringer (Smith), or a young QB with the most upside on our team right now (only because it's unknown) that has beat several 3rd stringers (Nate).

I'm not impressed with Shaun and even less impressed with Smith. I don't know what Nate brings to the table, but I'd like to find out...


We already know what Alex Smith can do?? Thats funny because even the coaches don't know where his ceiling is. But yet you and many other Smith haters seem to believe that you have the ability to figure out what the coaches can't

LOL 5 years and you don't think people have an idea of what he can do. Whats best about this is you actually think this is a good thing.
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Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by BigRon:
We need to remember this season is prep for the future. Shaun Hill has no, zero, upside. We have seen his best. If this was a team with an outstanding Oline, Great Wideouts as well as continuity in the Coaching ranks, Shaun Hill could do a good job of managing the offense and could lead a team to the playoffs. BUT, he isn't a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and drive them to the promised land. He is someone who has to rely on others to make plays, not make them himself.

I think he is a great back up to have on a team. He can step in a do a good enough job not to lose a game. I wouldn't mind having him as the number 2 on this team.

If that's the case, then we need to see what Nate has. He showed more potential in the preseason IMO...


your judging Nate Davis off of preseason? He was playing 3rd stringers and players that have been cut.

What I'm saying to the guy I quoted is if he wants to go off of potential or upside, then we need to see what Nate can do. We already know what Alex and Shaun can do.
Since you decided to chime in though, Nate showed that he has the strongest arm of all our QB's and showed he can lead a bunch of 3rd stringers against 3rd stringers. Also, he showed that he has what it takes to come from behind to win.

Now, in the past you've called Shaun a career 3rd stringer. And, you support Alex who is playing worse than Shaun has (turning the ball over more and leading the O to less points per game than Shaun).

So, what does that leave us with? A career 3rd stringer (Hill), the guy that's playing worse than a career 3rd stringer (Smith), or a young QB with the most upside on our team right now (only because it's unknown) that has beat several 3rd stringers (Nate).

I'm not impressed with Shaun and even less impressed with Smith. I don't know what Nate brings to the table, but I'd like to find out...


We already know what Alex Smith can do?? Thats funny because even the coaches don't know where his ceiling is. But yet you and many other Smith haters seem to believe that you have the ability to figure out what the coaches can't

LOL 5 years and you don't think people have an idea of what he can do. Whats best about this is you actually think this is a good thing.

I have a question for you because it seems you're too blinded by Alex hate to think straight. If you were working at your job (say McDonald's) for 3 years, and 2 of those years you were unable to work because your coworkers kept accidentally splashing hot oil in your eyes (bad team performance), how would you feel if all the customers kept blaming you and saying, "This guy has sucked for 3 years?" Pretty stupid, isn't it?
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:

We all know what's best for our beloved team, its just our opinions differ. But you say your not a Smith supporter, Hill basher....but that's funny, I didn't EVER see you support or back up Hill when he was starting??

Funny how short of a leash Hill gets as opposed to Alex Smith. Two games and we pull Hill, how much have we lost already with Smith in there??

It's not about wins and losses, it's about how each QB has played. Do you think just because Hill won 1 more game than Smith did, he should remain QB for the remainder of the season? We should be happy that Hill beat the Rams and Seahawks? He played basically 5.5 bad games. The defense let him off the hook in each of the games. Yes, the defense bailed out Smith against Chicago, but Gore was able to ice the game. Notice how we ran the ball out of shotgun though? Do you see a reason for that? The Bears had to respect Smith's arm, so we could actually use shotgun and run the ball out of it, and we were pretty successful with that. With Hill back there, I doubt we'd get that creative. We'd just continue to run the ball up the gut just like we did against Arizona and Minnesota.

By the way, I was supporting Hill last season after he took over for O'Sullivan. I thought he was pretty good last year. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing accurately. Unfortunately, all QBs appear that way with Martz, and now that he's gone, we all see Hill's true colors.

What are you talking about? It's all about wins and losses... No team makes the playoffs because there QB had more 300 yard games or less turnovers throughout the season...

To answer your question, I don't think anyone wants Hill to be our QB because he's won 2 more games than Smith this year. I think it's because he hasn't given the game away with turnovers and stupid actions (penalties/decisions/etc...)

We all know if our team wins the turnover battle we stand a better chance of winning the game, right? Including fumbles lost, Alex averages 2 turnovers a start right now. Shaun averages 1/2 of a turnover per start this year.

For Alex, all of his turnovers have led to a total of 27 points. For Hill, his have led to a total of 13 points. Averaging across the # of starts, Smith needs to score 9 additional points per start to make up for his turnovers where Shaun need just over 2.

Now averaging how many points we put up with each QB in there per start (not counting the Hou game because of obvious reasons) Smith averages 17 points a game and Hill averages 22...

The reason I put all this info out like this is to prove that Smith is hurting the team much more than he is helping. His turnovers are costing us more points per game and with him as the QB we are putting up less points per game. This is a formula for losing...

Look, Hill sucks. We know this; but, he's been better for the team than Smith has so far.

Not according to the 49ers coaches and about 95% of the fans. You're in the minority on this one. Just because Hill didn't throw INTs, doesn't mean he's better for the team. He lead the league in 3-and-outs. Remember that, or did you conveniently block this from your memory? Smith moves the ball. Our run game is improved. Our OL is improved. Our defense is better rested. That's why he's the starter and Hill is on the bench.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would still want Hill starting after the Rams, Falcons, and Texans games. Seriously, go back and watch those 3 games one after another. Now tell me, after you're done wasting about 9 hours of your life, if you want this to continue.


If that's what you think then that's fine... I don't care if you think I'm in the minority on this or not.

If you remember your history, the minority knew the worlds was round when most thought it was flat. Point is, just cause you think you're in the majority does not make you right.

As for you're argument, did you read the numbers I posted. We did better on O against tougher D's with Hill in than we have fared with Smith.
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He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.

Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.

I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.

Sure Hill did have an INT in the first drive, but the game was within reach all the way up to 8:22 in the 2nd quarter at 14-10. It was Clements who gave up that short pass to Roddy White at ATL's 18 yard line for a 90 yard TD....NOT HILL. Next on the ensuing kickoff Delanie Walker fumbles the ball at SF's 38 yard line, next thing you know the defense gives up a rushing TD to Michael Turner, score now is 28-10. Next drive, again, Hill no help from the running game, Coffee up the middle for 2 yards....WTF, another 3 and out, Andy Lee punt, Delanie Walker Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 31. Here's ATL's drive:

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# Atlanta Falcons at 04:46
# 1-10-ATL 46 (4:46) PENALTY on ATL-88-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.
# 1-15-ATL 41 (4:46) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez pushed ob at SF 47 for 12 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 2-3-SF 47 (4:08) PENALTY on ATL-84-R.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 47 - No Play.
# 2-8-ATL 48 (3:43) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 87-J.Peelle to SF 40 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson; 98-P.Haralson). Caught at SF 44.
# 1-10-SF 40 (3:07) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to SF 30 for 10 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 1-10-SF 30 (2:26) 33-M.Turner left end to SF 25 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis; 32-M.Lewis).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 2-5-SF 25 (2:00) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to SF 1 for 24 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SF 3.
# 1-1-SF 1 (1:21) 33-M.Turner up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Score now is 35-10. But yet, Hill managed to do all this, again, you guys sure it was Hill's fault in that ATL game??

And yes, people still back Hill, CAUSE HE WASN'T THE ONE TURNING THE BALL OVER WHEN HE WAS PLAYING........HEEEELLLLLLLOOOO!!!

Sure Hill might not be any much better, but Smith is garbage, sure he has improved....but hes still mediocre, and that's pretty much all hes improved to.

Is he garbage or is he mediocre? Has he moved from garbage to mediocre? Maybe if he is improving, can he can move up from mediocre? Or is garbage the same as mediocre? Or has he moved from garbage to garbage? Is the latter mediocre garbage and the former some other kind of garbage?

How is turning the ball over on the first drive not turning the ball over? The game was within reach? Only if the Niners could have held the Falcons to under ten points. That was difficult because the Niners O couldn't stay on the field and theirs could.

No it wasn't all Hill's fault. It was a large combination of things. Just like it isn't all Smith's fault. And if the Niners win on Sunday, my guess is that Gore, the receivers, the offensive line, the defense and the special teams will be deserving of some credit.

I saw Montana led teams lose three NFC title games. I saw them humilated by the Giants and the Vikings in playoff games. Did Montana lose those games? Quarterbacks play an important role, no doubt. But teams win and lose games. When I see Lincecum or Cain lose 1-0, though they take the loss I have a hard time placing all of the blame on them.

I have come to realize that for some here there is nothing Smith could do to get their support. Niners can't lose, he can't throw interceptions. That will always be exclusively his fault. Maybe he won't pan out. But this team, in my opinion, was not heading to the playoffs with Hill. Not by a long shot. So why not just see if Smith can continue to improve? If it is not enough, then move on. One way or another Hill is not going to be the starter next year. So see if Smith, who certainly has the physical tools, can do it. If not go after a free agent, rush Davis or go after a QB in the draft. At least now Gore doesn't have to face nine men in the box and the Niners have the ability to throw the ball downfield and help develop players like Crabtree, Davis, Jason Hill and Morgan who may someday be vital parts of a playoff team. We can only hope.

Hes garbage as a #1 overall pick, but hes improved to medicore, which IMO is still garbage to me.

Shaun Hill 5-2

Alex Smith 6-6

Now tell me who turns the ball over more?? Very simple answer, but of course Smith supporters do the "believe what we want, when we want" thing, as well as "see what we want, when we want and how we want" thing.

I accept Alex Smith is our starter, nothing that I can control of course, except for my own opinion. But if Smith does not HELP guide us to the playoffs, really do hope hes gone next year.

Only thing hes proved IMO, at least he was better than Jim Druckenmiller.

Can't wait for the tons of fun of excuses Sunday night.

So he turns the ball over more. We'll give you that, but really, who cares? He has more TDs than Hill already in half as many games. The offense moves the ball. The WRs are involved. Gore is running the ball a lot better. The defense is better rested. I think we're all going to have to agree to disagree, but me personally, I'd take 27 TDs and a lot of INTs, over 200 yards a game passing, and an offense that can move the chains, as opposed to 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 150 yards per game passing, and lead the league in 3-and-outs.

I think it's pretty funny how people point out how Hill turns the ball over less. True, but the reason is because Hill doesn't take many chances. He won't lose a game for you, but the problem is, he won't win it for you either. I guess it comes down to would you rather have a couple turnovers throughout the entire game, or constantly go 3-and-out throughout the entire game?

Boy how you seem to forget his play last year. Only reason Smith has ONE more TD than Hill, is because they have been passing more with Smith in, as opposed to running it on a predictable 1st and 2nd down. We can go on and on with Shaun Hill on what he has done and hasn't done, but this is Smith's moment to prove us wrong and he is our starter. All I can say is, put up or shut up or GTFO and make way for a new QB.

And why were we predictable with Hill in there? Oh yeah, because he couldn't pass.

Tell that to the Cardinals late in the 4th qtr when it counted....tell that to the Vikes....tell that to the Seahawks....

in all of those games we were stubbornly running up the gut....THEN all the sudden when we needed a score because of our retarded strategy, Shaun came through with his passing..... it helped that our Defense kept us in the game....

but this retarded strategy did not work against Atlanta....our defense could not hold them down and our special teams f'd up....

Shaun Hill couldn't pass HA!.....sure it was difficult for him to pass after we run it 2 straight times up the gut...and sometimes lose yardage and then you know its 3rd and long and they know we have to pass.....its the same thing that was happening to Alex....until the Titans and Bears game when they finally wanted to start opening it up in the early part of the game....too bad Alex f'd up...now they are all scared again....

in the early part of our season....the blame should have went to the Coaches first and foremost...they put our Oline/QB in bad situations with the playcalling..
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We all know what's best for our beloved team, its just our opinions differ. But you say your not a Smith supporter, Hill basher....but that's funny, I didn't EVER see you support or back up Hill when he was starting??

Funny how short of a leash Hill gets as opposed to Alex Smith. Two games and we pull Hill, how much have we lost already with Smith in there??

It's not about wins and losses, it's about how each QB has played. Do you think just because Hill won 1 more game than Smith did, he should remain QB for the remainder of the season? We should be happy that Hill beat the Rams and Seahawks? He played basically 5.5 bad games. The defense let him off the hook in each of the games. Yes, the defense bailed out Smith against Chicago, but Gore was able to ice the game. Notice how we ran the ball out of shotgun though? Do you see a reason for that? The Bears had to respect Smith's arm, so we could actually use shotgun and run the ball out of it, and we were pretty successful with that. With Hill back there, I doubt we'd get that creative. We'd just continue to run the ball up the gut just like we did against Arizona and Minnesota.

By the way, I was supporting Hill last season after he took over for O'Sullivan. I thought he was pretty good last year. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing accurately. Unfortunately, all QBs appear that way with Martz, and now that he's gone, we all see Hill's true colors.

What are you talking about? It's all about wins and losses... No team makes the playoffs because there QB had more 300 yard games or less turnovers throughout the season...

To answer your question, I don't think anyone wants Hill to be our QB because he's won 2 more games than Smith this year. I think it's because he hasn't given the game away with turnovers and stupid actions (penalties/decisions/etc...)

We all know if our team wins the turnover battle we stand a better chance of winning the game, right? Including fumbles lost, Alex averages 2 turnovers a start right now. Shaun averages 1/2 of a turnover per start this year.

For Alex, all of his turnovers have led to a total of 27 points. For Hill, his have led to a total of 13 points. Averaging across the # of starts, Smith needs to score 9 additional points per start to make up for his turnovers where Shaun need just over 2.

Now averaging how many points we put up with each QB in there per start (not counting the Hou game because of obvious reasons) Smith averages 17 points a game and Hill averages 22...

The reason I put all this info out like this is to prove that Smith is hurting the team much more than he is helping. His turnovers are costing us more points per game and with him as the QB we are putting up less points per game. This is a formula for losing...

Look, Hill sucks. We know this; but, he's been better for the team than Smith has so far.

Not according to the 49ers coaches and about 95% of the fans. You're in the minority on this one. Just because Hill didn't throw INTs, doesn't mean he's better for the team. He lead the league in 3-and-outs. Remember that, or did you conveniently block this from your memory? Smith moves the ball. Our run game is improved. Our OL is improved. Our defense is better rested. That's why he's the starter and Hill is on the bench.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would still want Hill starting after the Rams, Falcons, and Texans games. Seriously, go back and watch those 3 games one after another. Now tell me, after you're done wasting about 9 hours of your life, if you want this to continue.


If that's what you think then that's fine... I don't care if you think I'm in the minority on this or not.

If you remember your history, the minority knew the worlds was round when most thought it was flat. Point is, just cause you think you're in the majority does not make you right.

As for you're argument, did you read the numbers I posted. We did better on O against tougher D's with Hill in than we have fared with Smith.

We have cameras and videotape now, so it's obvious the Earth is round, just like it's obvious Smith is better than Hill.
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Originally posted by AiNoKea:

We all know what's best for our beloved team, its just our opinions differ. But you say your not a Smith supporter, Hill basher....but that's funny, I didn't EVER see you support or back up Hill when he was starting??

Funny how short of a leash Hill gets as opposed to Alex Smith. Two games and we pull Hill, how much have we lost already with Smith in there??

It's not about wins and losses, it's about how each QB has played. Do you think just because Hill won 1 more game than Smith did, he should remain QB for the remainder of the season? We should be happy that Hill beat the Rams and Seahawks? He played basically 5.5 bad games. The defense let him off the hook in each of the games. Yes, the defense bailed out Smith against Chicago, but Gore was able to ice the game. Notice how we ran the ball out of shotgun though? Do you see a reason for that? The Bears had to respect Smith's arm, so we could actually use shotgun and run the ball out of it, and we were pretty successful with that. With Hill back there, I doubt we'd get that creative. We'd just continue to run the ball up the gut just like we did against Arizona and Minnesota.

By the way, I was supporting Hill last season after he took over for O'Sullivan. I thought he was pretty good last year. He was getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing accurately. Unfortunately, all QBs appear that way with Martz, and now that he's gone, we all see Hill's true colors.

What are you talking about? It's all about wins and losses... No team makes the playoffs because there QB had more 300 yard games or less turnovers throughout the season...

To answer your question, I don't think anyone wants Hill to be our QB because he's won 2 more games than Smith this year. I think it's because he hasn't given the game away with turnovers and stupid actions (penalties/decisions/etc...)

We all know if our team wins the turnover battle we stand a better chance of winning the game, right? Including fumbles lost, Alex averages 2 turnovers a start right now. Shaun averages 1/2 of a turnover per start this year.

For Alex, all of his turnovers have led to a total of 27 points. For Hill, his have led to a total of 13 points. Averaging across the # of starts, Smith needs to score 9 additional points per start to make up for his turnovers where Shaun need just over 2.

Now averaging how many points we put up with each QB in there per start (not counting the Hou game because of obvious reasons) Smith averages 17 points a game and Hill averages 22...

The reason I put all this info out like this is to prove that Smith is hurting the team much more than he is helping. His turnovers are costing us more points per game and with him as the QB we are putting up less points per game. This is a formula for losing...

Look, Hill sucks. We know this; but, he's been better for the team than Smith has so far.

Not according to the 49ers coaches and about 95% of the fans. You're in the minority on this one. Just because Hill didn't throw INTs, doesn't mean he's better for the team. He lead the league in 3-and-outs. Remember that, or did you conveniently block this from your memory? Smith moves the ball. Our run game is improved. Our OL is improved. Our defense is better rested. That's why he's the starter and Hill is on the bench.

Jesus Christ, I can't believe anyone would still want Hill starting after the Rams, Falcons, and Texans games. Seriously, go back and watch those 3 games one after another. Now tell me, after you're done wasting about 9 hours of your life, if you want this to continue.


If that's what you think then that's fine... I don't care if you think I'm in the minority on this or not.

If you remember your history, the minority knew the worlds was round when most thought it was flat. Point is, just cause you think you're in the majority does not make you right.

As for you're argument, did you read the numbers I posted. We did better on O against tougher D's with Hill in than we have fared with Smith.

We have cameras and videotape now, so it's obvious the Earth is round, just like it's obvious Smith is better than Hill.

it's obvious?

could've fooled me.
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He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.

Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.

I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.

Sure Hill did have an INT in the first drive, but the game was within reach all the way up to 8:22 in the 2nd quarter at 14-10. It was Clements who gave up that short pass to Roddy White at ATL's 18 yard line for a 90 yard TD....NOT HILL. Next on the ensuing kickoff Delanie Walker fumbles the ball at SF's 38 yard line, next thing you know the defense gives up a rushing TD to Michael Turner, score now is 28-10. Next drive, again, Hill no help from the running game, Coffee up the middle for 2 yards....WTF, another 3 and out, Andy Lee punt, Delanie Walker Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 31. Here's ATL's drive:

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# Atlanta Falcons at 04:46
# 1-10-ATL 46 (4:46) PENALTY on ATL-88-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.
# 1-15-ATL 41 (4:46) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez pushed ob at SF 47 for 12 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 2-3-SF 47 (4:08) PENALTY on ATL-84-R.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 47 - No Play.
# 2-8-ATL 48 (3:43) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 87-J.Peelle to SF 40 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson; 98-P.Haralson). Caught at SF 44.
# 1-10-SF 40 (3:07) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to SF 30 for 10 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 1-10-SF 30 (2:26) 33-M.Turner left end to SF 25 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis; 32-M.Lewis).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 2-5-SF 25 (2:00) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to SF 1 for 24 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SF 3.
# 1-1-SF 1 (1:21) 33-M.Turner up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Score now is 35-10. But yet, Hill managed to do all this, again, you guys sure it was Hill's fault in that ATL game??

And yes, people still back Hill, CAUSE HE WASN'T THE ONE TURNING THE BALL OVER WHEN HE WAS PLAYING........HEEEELLLLLLLOOOO!!!

Sure Hill might not be any much better, but Smith is garbage, sure he has improved....but hes still mediocre, and that's pretty much all hes improved to.

Is he garbage or is he mediocre? Has he moved from garbage to mediocre? Maybe if he is improving, can he can move up from mediocre? Or is garbage the same as mediocre? Or has he moved from garbage to garbage? Is the latter mediocre garbage and the former some other kind of garbage?

How is turning the ball over on the first drive not turning the ball over? The game was within reach? Only if the Niners could have held the Falcons to under ten points. That was difficult because the Niners O couldn't stay on the field and theirs could.

No it wasn't all Hill's fault. It was a large combination of things. Just like it isn't all Smith's fault. And if the Niners win on Sunday, my guess is that Gore, the receivers, the offensive line, the defense and the special teams will be deserving of some credit.

I saw Montana led teams lose three NFC title games. I saw them humilated by the Giants and the Vikings in playoff games. Did Montana lose those games? Quarterbacks play an important role, no doubt. But teams win and lose games. When I see Lincecum or Cain lose 1-0, though they take the loss I have a hard time placing all of the blame on them.

I have come to realize that for some here there is nothing Smith could do to get their support. Niners can't lose, he can't throw interceptions. That will always be exclusively his fault. Maybe he won't pan out. But this team, in my opinion, was not heading to the playoffs with Hill. Not by a long shot. So why not just see if Smith can continue to improve? If it is not enough, then move on. One way or another Hill is not going to be the starter next year. So see if Smith, who certainly has the physical tools, can do it. If not go after a free agent, rush Davis or go after a QB in the draft. At least now Gore doesn't have to face nine men in the box and the Niners have the ability to throw the ball downfield and help develop players like Crabtree, Davis, Jason Hill and Morgan who may someday be vital parts of a playoff team. We can only hope.

Hes garbage as a #1 overall pick, but hes improved to medicore, which IMO is still garbage to me.

Shaun Hill 5-2

Alex Smith 6-6

Now tell me who turns the ball over more?? Very simple answer, but of course Smith supporters do the "believe what we want, when we want" thing, as well as "see what we want, when we want and how we want" thing.

I accept Alex Smith is our starter, nothing that I can control of course, except for my own opinion. But if Smith does not HELP guide us to the playoffs, really do hope hes gone next year.

Only thing hes proved IMO, at least he was better than Jim Druckenmiller.

Can't wait for the tons of fun of excuses Sunday night.

So he turns the ball over more. We'll give you that, but really, who cares? He has more TDs than Hill already in half as many games. The offense moves the ball. The WRs are involved. Gore is running the ball a lot better. The defense is better rested. I think we're all going to have to agree to disagree, but me personally, I'd take 27 TDs and a lot of INTs, over 200 yards a game passing, and an offense that can move the chains, as opposed to 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 150 yards per game passing, and lead the league in 3-and-outs.

I think it's pretty funny how people point out how Hill turns the ball over less. True, but the reason is because Hill doesn't take many chances. He won't lose a game for you, but the problem is, he won't win it for you either. I guess it comes down to would you rather have a couple turnovers throughout the entire game, or constantly go 3-and-out throughout the entire game?

Boy how you seem to forget his play last year. Only reason Smith has ONE more TD than Hill, is because they have been passing more with Smith in, as opposed to running it on a predictable 1st and 2nd down. We can go on and on with Shaun Hill on what he has done and hasn't done, but this is Smith's moment to prove us wrong and he is our starter. All I can say is, put up or shut up or GTFO and make way for a new QB.

And why were we predictable with Hill in there? Oh yeah, because he couldn't pass.

Tell that to the Cardinals late in the 4th qtr when it counted....tell that to the Vikes....tell that to the Seahawks....

in all of those games we were stubbornly running up the gut....THEN all the sudden when we needed a score because of our retarded strategy, Shaun came through with his passing..... it helped that our Defense kept us in the game....

but this retarded strategy did not work against Atlanta....our defense could hold them down and our special teams f'd up....

Shaun Hill couldn't pass HA!.....sure it was difficult for him to pass after we run it 2 straight times up the gut...and sometimes lose yardage and then you know its 3rd and long and they know we have to pass.....its the same thing that was happening to Alex....until the Titans and Bears game when they finally wanted to start opening it up in the early part of the game....too bad Alex f'd up...now they are all scared again....

in the early part of our season....the blame should have went to the Coaches first and foremost...they put our Oline/QB in bad situations with the playcalling..

The Vikings game...you mean the one we lost because the coaches didn't trust Hill enough to pass the ball, leading to 3 straight runs up the gut?

The Seahawks game...you mean the one Gore had over 200 yards rushing? The one Hill had 140 yards passing and no TDs? That one?

What about the lowly Rams? 152 yards passing.

He then followed up those magical performances with another brilliant performance against the Falcons (198 yards passing, no TDs, and an INT). Even better was the fact he was 15 of 38 (which is less than 40%). OK, well, the bye week was supposed to save him, and it did...he came out of the bye week (after spending his time fishing rather than with Crabtree) and backed that up with yet another amazing performance, showing to 49ers fans all across the world that he CAN pass the ball. The numbers tell the story: 6 of 11 for 45 yards, and God knows how many more 3-and-outs. Smith, his replacement, came in and threw for over 200 yards (in one half).

OK, we see your side of it. Doesn't make sense, but to each his own.
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We need to remember this season is prep for the future. Shaun Hill has no, zero, upside. We have seen his best. If this was a team with an outstanding Oline, Great Wideouts as well as continuity in the Coaching ranks, Shaun Hill could do a good job of managing the offense and could lead a team to the playoffs. BUT, he isn't a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and drive them to the promised land. He is someone who has to rely on others to make plays, not make them himself.

I think he is a great back up to have on a team. He can step in a do a good enough job not to lose a game. I wouldn't mind having him as the number 2 on this team.

If that's the case, then we need to see what Nate has. He showed more potential in the preseason IMO...


your judging Nate Davis off of preseason? He was playing 3rd stringers and players that have been cut.

What I'm saying to the guy I quoted is if he wants to go off of potential or upside, then we need to see what Nate can do. We already know what Alex and Shaun can do.
Since you decided to chime in though, Nate showed that he has the strongest arm of all our QB's and showed he can lead a bunch of 3rd stringers against 3rd stringers. Also, he showed that he has what it takes to come from behind to win.

Now, in the past you've called Shaun a career 3rd stringer. And, you support Alex who is playing worse than Shaun has (turning the ball over more and leading the O to less points per game than Shaun).

So, what does that leave us with? A career 3rd stringer (Hill), the guy that's playing worse than a career 3rd stringer (Smith), or a young QB with the most upside on our team right now (only because it's unknown) that has beat several 3rd stringers (Nate).

I'm not impressed with Shaun and even less impressed with Smith. I don't know what Nate brings to the table, but I'd like to find out...


We already know what Alex Smith can do?? Thats funny because even the coaches don't know where his ceiling is. But yet you and many other Smith haters seem to believe that you have the ability to figure out what the coaches can't

LOL 5 years and you don't think people have an idea of what he can do. Whats best about this is you actually think this is a good thing.

I have a question for you because it seems you're too blinded by Alex hate to think straight. If you were working at your job (say McDonald's) for 3 years, and 2 of those years you were unable to work because your coworkers kept accidentally splashing hot oil in your eyes (bad team performance), how would you feel if all the customers kept blaming you and saying, "This guy has sucked for 3 years?" Pretty stupid, isn't it?

LOL... This is so stupid. First off, I don't hate Smith. Don't hate on me just because I call it like I see it.

Next, if you've worked at McDonald's for 3 years and let people splash hot oil on your hands and eyes then you have worse problems then what others think... But to answer this very stupid question, yes. I would say this guy sucks cause he's still at Micky D's after 3 years...

Some of you Smith lovers are so infatuated with your QB lust that you can't see the mistakes this kid makes. It's ok though, not everyone's able to see the big picture (probably why you're still working at McDonald's...)