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He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.
He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.
Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.
No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.
Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...
Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?
As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.
vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.
vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.
Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.
I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.
Sure Hill did have an INT in the first drive, but the game was within reach all the way up to 8:22 in the 2nd quarter at 14-10. It was Clements who gave up that short pass to Roddy White at ATL's 18 yard line for a 90 yard TD....NOT HILL. Next on the ensuing kickoff Delanie Walker fumbles the ball at SF's 38 yard line, next thing you know the defense gives up a rushing TD to Michael Turner, score now is 28-10. Next drive, again, Hill no help from the running game, Coffee up the middle for 2 yards....WTF, another 3 and out, Andy Lee punt, Delanie Walker Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 31. Here's ATL's drive:
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# Atlanta Falcons at 04:46
# 1-10-ATL 46 (4:46) PENALTY on ATL-88-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.
# 1-15-ATL 41 (4:46) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez pushed ob at SF 47 for 12 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 2-3-SF 47 (4:08) PENALTY on ATL-84-R.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 47 - No Play.
# 2-8-ATL 48 (3:43) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 87-J.Peelle to SF 40 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson; 98-P.Haralson). Caught at SF 44.
# 1-10-SF 40 (3:07) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to SF 30 for 10 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 1-10-SF 30 (2:26) 33-M.Turner left end to SF 25 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis; 32-M.Lewis).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 2-5-SF 25 (2:00) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to SF 1 for 24 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SF 3.
# 1-1-SF 1 (1:21) 33-M.Turner up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Score now is 35-10. But yet, Hill managed to do all this, again, you guys sure it was Hill's fault in that ATL game??
And yes, people still back Hill, CAUSE HE WASN'T THE ONE TURNING THE BALL OVER WHEN HE WAS PLAYING........HEEEELLLLLLLOOOO!!!
Sure Hill might not be any much better, but Smith is garbage, sure he has improved....but hes still mediocre, and that's pretty much all hes improved to.
Is he garbage or is he mediocre? Has he moved from garbage to mediocre? Maybe if he is improving, can he can move up from mediocre? Or is garbage the same as mediocre? Or has he moved from garbage to garbage? Is the latter mediocre garbage and the former some other kind of garbage?
How is turning the ball over on the first drive not turning the ball over? The game was within reach? Only if the Niners could have held the Falcons to under ten points. That was difficult because the Niners O couldn't stay on the field and theirs could.
No it wasn't all Hill's fault. It was a large combination of things. Just like it isn't all Smith's fault. And if the Niners win on Sunday, my guess is that Gore, the receivers, the offensive line, the defense and the special teams will be deserving of some credit.
I saw Montana led teams lose three NFC title games. I saw them humilated by the Giants and the Vikings in playoff games. Did Montana lose those games? Quarterbacks play an important role, no doubt. But teams win and lose games. When I see Lincecum or Cain lose 1-0, though they take the loss I have a hard time placing all of the blame on them.
I have come to realize that for some here there is nothing Smith could do to get their support. Niners can't lose, he can't throw interceptions. That will always be exclusively his fault. Maybe he won't pan out. But this team, in my opinion, was not heading to the playoffs with Hill. Not by a long shot. So why not just see if Smith can continue to improve? If it is not enough, then move on. One way or another Hill is not going to be the starter next year. So see if Smith, who certainly has the physical tools, can do it. If not go after a free agent, rush Davis or go after a QB in the draft. At least now Gore doesn't have to face nine men in the box and the Niners have the ability to throw the ball downfield and help develop players like Crabtree, Davis, Jason Hill and Morgan who may someday be vital parts of a playoff team. We can only hope.
Hes garbage as a #1 overall pick, but hes improved to medicore, which IMO is still garbage to me.
Shaun Hill 5-2
Alex Smith 6-6
Now tell me who turns the ball over more?? Very simple answer, but of course Smith supporters do the "believe what we want, when we want" thing, as well as "see what we want, when we want and how we want" thing.
I accept Alex Smith is our starter, nothing that I can control of course, except for my own opinion. But if Smith does not HELP guide us to the playoffs, really do hope hes gone next year.
Only thing hes proved IMO, at least he was better than Jim Druckenmiller.
Can't wait for the tons of fun of excuses Sunday night.
So he turns the ball over more. We'll give you that, but really, who cares? He has more TDs than Hill already in half as many games. The offense moves the ball. The WRs are involved. Gore is running the ball a lot better. The defense is better rested. I think we're all going to have to agree to disagree, but me personally, I'd take 27 TDs and a lot of INTs, over 200 yards a game passing, and an offense that can move the chains, as opposed to 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 150 yards per game passing, and lead the league in 3-and-outs.
I think it's pretty funny how people point out how Hill turns the ball over less. True, but the reason is because Hill doesn't take many chances. He won't lose a game for you, but the problem is, he won't win it for you either. I guess it comes down to would you rather have a couple turnovers throughout the entire game, or constantly go 3-and-out throughout the entire game?
Boy how you seem to forget his play last year. Only reason Smith has ONE more TD than Hill, is because they have been passing more with Smith in, as opposed to running it on a predictable 1st and 2nd down. We can go on and on with Shaun Hill on what he has done and hasn't done, but this is Smith's moment to prove us wrong and he is our starter. All I can say is, put up or shut up or GTFO and make way for a new QB.
And why were we predictable with Hill in there? Oh yeah, because he couldn't pass.
Tell that to the Cardinals late in the 4th qtr when it counted....tell that to the Vikes....tell that to the Seahawks....
in all of those games we were stubbornly running up the gut....THEN all the sudden when we needed a score because of our retarded strategy, Shaun came through with his passing..... it helped that our Defense kept us in the game....
but this retarded strategy did not work against Atlanta....our defense could hold them down and our special teams f'd up....
Shaun Hill couldn't pass HA!.....sure it was difficult for him to pass after we run it 2 straight times up the gut...and sometimes lose yardage and then you know its 3rd and long and they know we have to pass.....its the same thing that was happening to Alex....until the Titans and Bears game when they finally wanted to start opening it up in the early part of the game....too bad Alex f'd up...now they are all scared again....
in the early part of our season....the blame should have went to the Coaches first and foremost...they put our Oline/QB in bad situations with the playcalling..
The Vikings game...you mean the one we lost because the coaches didn't trust Hill enough to pass the ball, leading to 3 straight runs up the gut?
The Seahawks game...you mean the one Gore had over 200 yards rushing? The one Hill had 140 yards passing and no TDs? That one?
What about the lowly Rams? 152 yards passing.
He then followed up those magical performances with another brilliant performance against the Falcons (198 yards passing, no TDs, and an INT). Even better was the fact he was 15 of 38 (which is less than 40%). OK, well, the bye week was supposed to save him, and it did...he came out of the bye week (after spending his time fishing rather than with Crabtree) and backed that up with yet another amazing performance, showing to 49ers fans all across the world that he CAN pass the ball. The numbers tell the story: 6 of 11 for 45 yards, and God knows how many more 3-and-outs. Smith, his replacement, came in and threw for over 200 yards (in one half).
OK, we see your side of it. Doesn't make sense, but to each his own.