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Shaun Hill - Final Analysis

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
Shaun Hill's 8 wins as starter of the 49ers since last year:

3 of them against the RAMs, 2 of those at home - the RAMS finished 2-14 2008 and are 1-8 this year, In one of those victories we beat the rams by only 1 point and one of those Kyle Boller was the QB.

1 against Seattle at home this season. Seneca Wallace QB - (Hassleback got hurt) - Seattle finished 4-12 last year, and are 3-6 this year.

1 against the Redskins at home in 2008 who finished the season 8-8 and did not make playoffs.

1 home game against the jets in 2008 - Jets did not make the playoffs in 2008

1 against Buffalo on the road in 2008, Bills finished 7-9, did not make playoffs - they are 3-6 this year.. Hill passed 14-23, 161 yards and the offense scored only 10 points. - This was a defensive win.

1 road game against Arizona this year - first game of the season, Arizona was obviously flat and beat themselves - made a lot of mistakes. Cardinals finished 9-7 last year and went to the Superbowl.

As a matter of fact all of Shaun Hill's 6 losses from last year and this year have been against teams who finished 8-8 or above last year and/or who are above .500 this year

Of the six losses (yes including Houston ), 5 were on the road.
Why are we still chatting about the back up QB....

simple...the current starter is not getting the job done, like some said he was going to do if he ever got the chance....

if Alex was playing well and we were winning games....I would doubt a thread like this would get started.......just like when Shaun was playing well last year and early this year...there were no Alex threads started.

People started Alex threads early this year because even in the wins Shaun was playing poorly. Be fair. Don't sugar coat your guy's case just to try to make the other guy who you hate look bad. And if you want to say we were winning games when Shaun was QB and not to talk about Alex, how about acknowledge that Alex just won a game playing nearly the exact same way Hill has? Hill lost 3 of his last 4 anyway.

This is one of the dumbest arguments I think I ever heard... Shaun wasn't getting it done and lost 3 of his last 4. Now, Alex wins a game the same way Shaun had won a few earlier this year; but, Alex is great for it and Hill sucks because of it...

Guess what, Alex hasn't lost lost 3 of his last 4... He's lost 6 of his last 7. Face it, both these guys are not that good.
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
Shaun Hill's 8 wins as starter of the 49ers since last year:

3 of them against the RAMs, 2 of those at home - the RAMS finished 2-14 2008 and are 1-8 this year, In one of those victories we beat the rams by only 1 point and one of those Kyle Boller was the QB.

1 against Seattle at home this season. Seneca Wallace QB - (Hassleback got hurt) - Seattle finished 4-12 last year, and are 3-6 this year.

1 against the Redskins at home in 2008 who finished the season 8-8 and did not make playoffs.

1 home game against the jets in 2008 - Jets did not make the playoffs in 2008

1 against Buffalo on the road in 2008, Bills finished 7-9, did not make playoffs - they are 3-6 this year.. Hill passed 14-23, 161 yards and the offense scored only 10 points. - This was a defensive win.

1 road game against Arizona this year - first game of the season, Arizona was obviously flat and beat themselves - made a lot of mistakes. Cardinals finished 9-7 last year and went to the Superbowl.

As a matter of fact all of Shaun Hill's 6 losses from last year and this year have been against teams who finished 8-8 or above last year and/or who are above .500 this year

Of the six losses (yes including Houston ), 5 were on the road.
Why are we still chatting about the back up QB....

simple...the current starter is not getting the job done, like some said he was going to do if he ever got the chance....

if Alex was playing well and we were winning games....I would doubt a thread like this would get started.......just like when Shaun was playing well last year and early this year...there were no Alex threads started.

People started Alex threads early this year because even in the wins Shaun was playing poorly. Be fair. Don't sugar coat your guy's case just to try to make the other guy who you hate look bad. And if you want to say we were winning games when Shaun was QB and not to talk about Alex, how about acknowledge that Alex just won a game playing nearly the exact same way Hill has? Hill lost 3 of his last 4 anyway.

This is one of the dumbest arguments I think I ever heard... Shaun wasn't getting it done and lost 3 of his last 4. Now, Alex wins a game the same way Shaun had won a few earlier this year; but, Alex is great for it and Hill sucks because of it...

Guess what, Alex hasn't lost lost 3 of his last 4... He's lost 6 of his last 7. Face it, both these guys are not that good.

and they did not lose in familiar fashion.....GOD some of these Alex fans LOVE to lump together various QBs to Alex Smith.... first there is "Aaron Rodgers would do the same if he was here...bla bla.." "Then Alex would do the exact same against some of the teams Hill beat...bla bla".....and now "Alex won a game like how Shaun won"

I'm sorry but I believe that if Shaun was given 5turnovers to work with like Alex in the game HE FINALLY won......it would not have came down to the last play.

someone ask one of the reporters what is the record for most straight games with throwing an INT for a 9er QB...... Alex might set it.

ok just checked... our boy JTO had a 5 game streak with an INT.......Alex is on a 4gamer right now....closing in to tie O'l turnover.

I hope he doesn't because we need this win against the Packers.....our playoff hopes are on the line.
Alex Marvez-" If you could combine Alex Smith with Shaun Hill you would have a complete QB"
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

give it up man
Final analysis on Shaun Hill is he is no longer the starter and will not be the starter for the 49ers ever again unless there is an injury.
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

We did not play well as a team in both of those games...infact while the games was still close...we shot ourselves in the foot before we could try again on offense...

if you remember in that Falcons game, while it was still close....we got the ball under 2mins before the end of the 2nd qtr...and fumbled the kickoff return, which set up a score for the Falcons that extended the lead....

same thing happened against the Houston...when the game was still close....we fumbled the ball on special teams before even giving our offense a chance to not play one dimensional for the rest of the game.....Arnez fumbled the punt and gave them an easy score.....all while it was still close.

this is the thing Memphis.....we have a real good defense...and there are more chances in games that our defense plays well that our offense playing well....so we should do everything we can to not put the defense in a bad positions....sure you'll say 3 and outs are bad...but INTs and fumbles are worse...

our Defense played well for most of the game against the Titans AT home...but 3ints and 1fumble lost from our offense is never going to help us win a close game.

we can afford to turn the ball over simple as that....but it seems that it is not a big deal to Singletary as much as he used to preach it all the time last year.......the formula to winning is ignored when Alex is back there apparently.....

sure you can say the INTs/fumbles were not Alex's fault...but I'll as you this...if it was not his fault, it was someone else's fault, I do not see no one else being held accountable....HELL Josh Morgan moved up to permanent starter status even though some of you (and Sing ) blame him for the INTs...same thing with Crabtree......if NO ONE IS BEING HELD Accountable for our Turnovers then that tells me something about Coach......or he is afraid to hold someone accountable, but who can that be?
[ Edited by Afrikan on Nov 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM ]
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.
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Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.

Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.

I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.
[ Edited by B650 on Nov 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM ]
Phil Jennings backup.
[ Edited by 49ersMan420 on Nov 20, 2009 at 9:39 PM ]
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by highwayone:
He is who we thought he was. A backup pie thrower.

He won ALL of the games he was supposed to win including some he wasn't. You can't discount that.

Let us see if Alex gets us wins in this second half weak schedule.

No, the team won those games, when the defense played good we won, when they didn't we lost. Hill has been figured out, teams know how to shut him down, and the running game along with it. Hill was a serviceable backup but he is exactly what he has always been.

Or when the team had a QB that wasn't giving the ball away...

Then how do you explain the ATL and Houston games?

As I continue to keep reading this board, you guys always bring up these two games.

vs. Atlanta, it wasn't Hill who gave up 5 TD's and allowed the game to be out of reach. Remember it was 35-10 at the half. Lets also remember Hill had no running game or Crabtree, who is now pretty much the go to guy. Sure Hill gets some of the blame for that game, but I'd lay most of it on the defense.

vs. Houston, from what I seen in the first half, sure there were three and outs, and Hill has played like that before. Hill from what we've seen from all his games starting this year and last, is that hes a second half QB, no one would've known what would've happened if he started in the second half.

Let's also remember that the reason we gave up 5 TDs and were down 35-10 is because Shaun Hill had an INT on his opening drive, and then wasn't able to move the chains for the rest of the half, allowing Atlanta good field position every single time. The offense was stagnant. The defense was tired. Hence, Hill was benched the following game. The 49ers coaches see it. Most of the 49ers fans see it. There are, however, a few fans that still back Hill for unknown reasons, reasons that we'll probably never know.

I'll say this: stop living in the past. The 49ers have ruled out Hill returning as a starting QB. Let's all put it behind us now. Smith is the new QB, and now we need to see if he can mature and become the QB we thought he was going to be when we drafted him. If not, then we'll have to go another route, but please, enough with Hill already.

Sure Hill did have an INT in the first drive, but the game was within reach all the way up to 8:22 in the 2nd quarter at 14-10. It was Clements who gave up that short pass to Roddy White at ATL's 18 yard line for a 90 yard TD....NOT HILL. Next on the ensuing kickoff Delanie Walker fumbles the ball at SF's 38 yard line, next thing you know the defense gives up a rushing TD to Michael Turner, score now is 28-10. Next drive, again, Hill no help from the running game, Coffee up the middle for 2 yards....WTF, another 3 and out, Andy Lee punt, Delanie Walker Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 31. Here's ATL's drive:

Quote:
# Atlanta Falcons at 04:46
# 1-10-ATL 46 (4:46) PENALTY on ATL-88-T.Gonzalez, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at ATL 46 - No Play.
# 1-15-ATL 41 (4:46) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez pushed ob at SF 47 for 12 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 2-3-SF 47 (4:08) PENALTY on ATL-84-R.White, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 47 - No Play.
# 2-8-ATL 48 (3:43) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 87-J.Peelle to SF 40 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson; 98-P.Haralson). Caught at SF 44.
# 1-10-SF 40 (3:07) 2-M.Ryan pass short right to 88-T.Gonzalez to SF 30 for 10 yards (32-M.Lewis).
# 1-10-SF 30 (2:26) 33-M.Turner left end to SF 25 for 5 yards (52-P.Willis; 32-M.Lewis).
# Two-Minute Warning
# 2-5-SF 25 (2:00) 2-M.Ryan pass deep middle to 84-R.White to SF 1 for 24 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SF 3.
# 1-1-SF 1 (1:21) 33-M.Turner up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Score now is 35-10. But yet, Hill managed to do all this, again, you guys sure it was Hill's fault in that ATL game??

And yes, people still back Hill, CAUSE HE WASN'T THE ONE TURNING THE BALL OVER WHEN HE WAS PLAYING........HEEEELLLLLLLOOOO!!!

Sure Hill might not be any much better, but Smith is garbage, sure he has improved....but hes still mediocre, and that's pretty much all hes improved to.