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Shaun Hill - Final Analysis

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sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)
3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.

why are you and so many other Smith haters so obssessed with Smith being a bust? Wouldn't you rather he succeed and end the "who will be the QB" problem? But the problem is just like the others your hatred for Smith blinds the fact that he has improved and still continues to improve every week. While you are screaming at your TV for Singletary to put Hill in as the starter I will be sitting back enjoying the game watching and realizing that Smith very well could be the answer. Then again he could not be the answer as well. but I will let time decide that instead of jumping to a conclusion because I hate the guy. So what has Smith done to all you haters out there? Did he sleep with your sister? Maybe knocked up your mom? I know he killed your dog. that has to be it

Did you even read my post.....read the last sentence again.....
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"If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better."

also, I have said numerous times... I don't hate Alex...hate is a strong word..... I actually think he is a good person...but just has not been a good QB early in his career so far....the problem is I am not patient anymore...we have a good team here....and we are still in the playoff hunt....we can't be turning the ball over....just like Alex has EVERY single game he as played this year......our offensive strategy is to win close games...we can not win close games on a consistent basis by having our QB turning the ball over every game.....think back to the Colts game....we could have won that game....it didn't help that Alex threw an INT.....the Colts ended up in great field position and got an easy score.....in a close game.....

same thing against the Titans.....TWICE late in the 4th qtr.
same thing against the Bears.....good thing Cutler gave it right back to us....over and over.

You're obsessed with INTs, but for some reason, 3-and-outs are perfectly acceptable.

Here's a quick summary of what happens when 3-and-outs mount up quickly: See Atlanta and Houston games. We lose field position, the defense tires, and just like that, the game gets out of reach.

Here's a summary of what happens when you throw a pick or 2, but are at least able to move the ball: See Tennessee game. We'll remain in the game, at the very least. I'd take 34-27 or 45-10 and 21-0. Hill's offense (turnovers or not) was flat-out embarrassing. Have you been a fan all along? I've been a fan for over 25 years, and I've never seen such a pathetic and limited offense. I've seen some pretty horrible ones, led by QBs such as Rattay, Stenstrom, etc.

Smith's offense is much, much better. It's really amazing how anyone could not see that. All he needs to do is cut down on his INTs, which is possible. Shaun Hill would need to increase his arm strength, accuracy, mobility, etc. It's not possible. Thankfully, the 49ers agree with me. Going across the U.S. and letting other teams see the 49ers reduced to Shaun Hill firing ducks to Isaac Bruce was painful.

Now, the U.S. gets to see Smith fire bullets to Crabtree. The future is looking bright for those of us who have moved on and left Shaun Hill in the dust, just like the 49ers coaches have.

When INT's lead to an average of 9 points a game for the opposition, then Yes. I'm gonna obsess about them. Have you ever wondered why the team the wins the turnover battle typically wins the game. You can't say the same about 3&outs though...

You can if you lead the league in them.

Then how come Hill has won a higher % of his starts? Or how come the team scores more points per game this year with Hill as the starting QB? Kinda weird stats when Smith is supposed to be the messiah, huh?

The team scores more points? With Hill at QB, the offense was averaging around 15.2 points per game, through 5.5 games. With Smith at QB, the offense is averaging 20.5 points per game.

Unless...you want to count blocked FGs and muffed punts...because of course, Hill was responsible for that. His presence alone causes the other team to make mistakes.

If you don't understand why we can't count the Texans game then I can't help you. Here's my one and only try at that...

Remember when Smith separated his shoulder and people wanted to count that loss against him? I said that was BS cause he wasn't able to finish that game. Also, I said the same thing when Hill put up a 106 QB rate against min in 2007; because they did not game plan against what Hill did in the second half...

Sorry, but a physical injury isn't the same as coming out of your bye week playing like crap after several weeks of crap.

By the way, even if you don't include the Houston game, Smith still has Hill beat in almost every statistical category.

Except wins and QB rating!

If I fail at reading comprehension, you fail at logic. Hill has played in twice as many more games as Smith, but OK. Hill has more wins than Smith. We'll give you that. He had us on pace for an amazing 8-8 season, until Smith came along and derailed it. How could the 49ers coaches do such a thing?

I'm not sure about the QB rating, but at one point Smith's was higher than Hill's. I'm not sure if that's still the case, although his completion % is much higher than Hill's still, as is his yards per game, points per game, and almost everything else. If you want to focus on INTs, then be my guest. The bottom line is that Favre and Manning also throw a lot of INTs, but they're great QBs. Now, go find me a guy who averages 150 yards per game, leads the league in 3-and-outs, and is still regarded as a great QB?

Take your time. I'll be here, trying to ignore the crickets.

yes, but Alex is not a Great QB like Farve or Manning....he had his chance to prove him self in a tough situation and pick him self up against the Titans...but he threw 2 more picks LATE in the game to cause us to lose a close game....

when has Alex ever shown he is a great QB to over come INTs....

Shaun has shown that even if the playcalling is making it easier for the offense to go three and out...he still has over come this against the Cardinals AT Arizona....against the Vikes AT Minnesota....as well against the Seahawks.

The bottom line is that against the Vikings, we had chances to kill the clock, and we couldn't. We lost the game, but if you want to praise him for it, be my guest. That would be like me giving Alex a win in Indianapolis. The bottom line is we lost. Sure, it isn't all on the QB, but a lot of it is.


We are losing now....OH NOEZ Jimmy Raye open up the playbook...

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# San Francisco 49ers at 12:49
# 1-10-SF 20 (12:49) 13-S.Hill pass short right to 88-I.Bruce to SF 30 for 10 yards (52-C.Greenway).
# 1-10-SF 30 (12:07) 29-G.Coffee up the middle to SF 31 for 1 yard (25-T.Johnson).
# 2-9-SF 31 (11:26) 13-S.Hill pass deep right to 85-V.Davis to MIN 38 for 31 yards (20-M.Williams). WATCH HIGHLIGHT
# 1-10-MIN 38 (10:40) 13-S.Hill pass deep right to 88-I.Bruce to MIN 10 for 28 yards (23-C.Griffin, 56-E.Henderson). WATCH HIGHLIGHT
# 1-10-MIN 10 (9:49) PENALTY on SF-13-S.Hill, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 10 - No Play.
# 1-15-MIN 15 (9:27) 29-G.Coffee up the middle to MIN 15 for no gain (69-J.Allen, 56-E.Henderson).
# 2-15-MIN 15 (8:43) PENALTY on SF-65-B.Sims, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 15 - No Play.
# 2-20-MIN 20 (8:17) (Shotgun) 13-S.Hill pass deep middle to 85-V.Davis for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN. WATCH HIGHLIGHT
WE TAKE A 4 PT LEAD....

so we get the ball back....hmmm what should we do....

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# San Francisco 49ers at 05:47
# 1-10-SF 27 (5:47) 29-G.Coffee right guard to SF 25 for -2 yards (93-K.Williams; 94-P.Williams).
# 2-12-SF 25 (5:06) 29-G.Coffee right end to SF 20 for -5 yards (91-R.Edwards).
# 3-17-SF 20 (4:22) (Shotgun) 13-S.Hill pass short right to 85-V.Davis to SF 28 for 8 yards (91-R.Edwards; 93-K.Williams).
# 4-9-SF 28 (3:37) 4-A.Lee punts 49 yards to MIN 23, Center-86-B.Jennings. 87-B.Berrian to MIN 28 for 5 yards (55-A.Brooks).

YOU WANT TO BLAME SHAUN FOR THAT 3rd and 17 situations....maybe he should of took a chance and thrown an INT...right?

ok Guess what we have ONE MORE CHANCE....lucky us.....hmmm what should we do...

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# San Francisco 49ers at 01:49
# 1-10-SF 47 (1:49) 29-G.Coffee right guard to SF 49 for 2 yards (93-K.Williams, 56-E.Henderson).
# Timeout #1 by MIN at 01:45.
# 2-8-SF 49 (1:45) 29-G.Coffee up the middle to MIN 49 for 2 yards (94-P.Williams).
# Timeout #2 by MIN at 01:41.
# 3-6-MIN 49 (1:41) 29-G.Coffee right end to MIN 47 for 2 yards (56-E.Henderson).
# 4-4-MIN 47 (1:36) 4-A.Lee punts 47 yards to end zone, Center-86-B.Jennings, Touchback.

THREE STRAIGHT F'N RUNS WITH GLEN COFFEE.
you want to blame that on Shaun Hill....be my guess...I'm sure you're thinking...its Shaun's fault that the coaches don't trust him....EVEN THOUGH HE JUST GOT THEM A 4pt LEAD 2 series ago....

I feel bad for you that you took the time to analyze all these stats, to prove...absolutely nothing.

The same thing happens with Smith. We come out firing against the Bears and drive down the field, what do we do for the remainder of the game? Run.

We destroy Indianapolis at the end of the half to go up 14-6. Smith and the offense look unstoppable. What do we do to start the 2nd half? We start running out the clock.

The bottom line is, stop blaming everyone except Hill. Both QBs have to deal with the same crappy OC.

OMG
......... *Dies*

edit- how am I blaming everyone else except Hill????...... Raye opened it up for Alex....Alex Failed....then Raye went back to being Raye....

Shaun hasn't failed Raye when we have opened it up for him early in games.....not when we are down by F'n 3 scores.....and no it was not because of Shaun...against the Texans and against the Falcons.... Shaun didn't get a chance to hike the ball before you knew it and we were down by 3 scores....... I'm talking about the dumb turnovers on special teams went the games were still close.

Raye opened it up for Alex??? It has already been proven that the play calling was the same. Now who is coming up with excuses

Raye opened up the playbook against the Titans and the Bears...if you didn't notice that...........ummm I think you were the only one.

Not really it just looked that way because Smith was effective running the offense. If he performed like Hill did running that offense you would be saying that the offense needs to be opened up. that is what happens when you can complete passes to WR's and get first downs
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Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.
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sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)
3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.

why are you and so many other Smith haters so obssessed with Smith being a bust? Wouldn't you rather he succeed and end the "who will be the QB" problem? But the problem is just like the others your hatred for Smith blinds the fact that he has improved and still continues to improve every week. While you are screaming at your TV for Singletary to put Hill in as the starter I will be sitting back enjoying the game watching and realizing that Smith very well could be the answer. Then again he could not be the answer as well. but I will let time decide that instead of jumping to a conclusion because I hate the guy. So what has Smith done to all you haters out there? Did he sleep with your sister? Maybe knocked up your mom? I know he killed your dog. that has to be it

Did you even read my post.....read the last sentence again.....
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"If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better."

also, I have said numerous times... I don't hate Alex...hate is a strong word..... I actually think he is a good person...but just has not been a good QB early in his career so far....the problem is I am not patient anymore...we have a good team here....and we are still in the playoff hunt....we can't be turning the ball over....just like Alex has EVERY single game he as played this year......our offensive strategy is to win close games...we can not win close games on a consistent basis by having our QB turning the ball over every game.....think back to the Colts game....we could have won that game....it didn't help that Alex threw an INT.....the Colts ended up in great field position and got an easy score.....in a close game.....

same thing against the Titans.....TWICE late in the 4th qtr.
same thing against the Bears.....good thing Cutler gave it right back to us....over and over.

You're obsessed with INTs, but for some reason, 3-and-outs are perfectly acceptable.

Here's a quick summary of what happens when 3-and-outs mount up quickly: See Atlanta and Houston games. We lose field position, the defense tires, and just like that, the game gets out of reach.

Here's a summary of what happens when you throw a pick or 2, but are at least able to move the ball: See Tennessee game. We'll remain in the game, at the very least. I'd take 34-27 or 45-10 and 21-0. Hill's offense (turnovers or not) was flat-out embarrassing. Have you been a fan all along? I've been a fan for over 25 years, and I've never seen such a pathetic and limited offense. I've seen some pretty horrible ones, led by QBs such as Rattay, Stenstrom, etc.

Smith's offense is much, much better. It's really amazing how anyone could not see that. All he needs to do is cut down on his INTs, which is possible. Shaun Hill would need to increase his arm strength, accuracy, mobility, etc. It's not possible. Thankfully, the 49ers agree with me. Going across the U.S. and letting other teams see the 49ers reduced to Shaun Hill firing ducks to Isaac Bruce was painful.

Now, the U.S. gets to see Smith fire bullets to Crabtree. The future is looking bright for those of us who have moved on and left Shaun Hill in the dust, just like the 49ers coaches have.

When INT's lead to an average of 9 points a game for the opposition, then Yes. I'm gonna obsess about them. Have you ever wondered why the team the wins the turnover battle typically wins the game. You can't say the same about 3&outs though...

You can if you lead the league in them.

Then how come Hill has won a higher % of his starts? Or how come the team scores more points per game this year with Hill as the starting QB? Kinda weird stats when Smith is supposed to be the messiah, huh?

The team scores more points? With Hill at QB, the offense was averaging around 15.2 points per game, through 5.5 games. With Smith at QB, the offense is averaging 20.5 points per game.

Unless...you want to count blocked FGs and muffed punts...because of course, Hill was responsible for that. His presence alone causes the other team to make mistakes.

If you don't understand why we can't count the Texans game then I can't help you. Here's my one and only try at that...

Remember when Smith separated his shoulder and people wanted to count that loss against him? I said that was BS cause he wasn't able to finish that game. Also, I said the same thing when Hill put up a 106 QB rate against min in 2007; because they did not game plan against what Hill did in the second half...

Sorry, but a physical injury isn't the same as coming out of your bye week playing like crap after several weeks of crap.

By the way, even if you don't include the Houston game, Smith still has Hill beat in almost every statistical category.

Except wins and QB rating!

If I fail at reading comprehension, you fail at logic. Hill has played in twice as many more games as Smith, but OK. Hill has more wins than Smith. We'll give you that. He had us on pace for an amazing 8-8 season, until Smith came along and derailed it. How could the 49ers coaches do such a thing?

I'm not sure about the QB rating, but at one point Smith's was higher than Hill's. I'm not sure if that's still the case, although his completion % is much higher than Hill's still, as is his yards per game, points per game, and almost everything else. If you want to focus on INTs, then be my guest. The bottom line is that Favre and Manning also throw a lot of INTs, but they're great QBs. Now, go find me a guy who averages 150 yards per game, leads the league in 3-and-outs, and is still regarded as a great QB?

Take your time. I'll be here, trying to ignore the crickets.

yes, but Alex is not a Great QB like Farve or Manning....he had his chance to prove him self in a tough situation and pick him self up against the Titans...but he threw 2 more picks LATE in the game to cause us to lose a close game....

when has Alex ever shown he is a great QB to over come INTs....

Shaun has shown that even if the playcalling is making it easier for the offense to go three and out...he still has over come this against the Cardinals AT Arizona....against the Vikes AT Minnesota....as well against the Seahawks.

The bottom line is that against the Vikings, we had chances to kill the clock, and we couldn't. We lost the game, but if you want to praise him for it, be my guest. That would be like me giving Alex a win in Indianapolis. The bottom line is we lost. Sure, it isn't all on the QB, but a lot of it is.


Cool. I'm glad you can understand that concept.

Hill has lost 4 of his last 9. Smith has lost 8 of his last 9!

In that case, let's just end the season because Jesus Hill has a 5-4 record in his last 9, and this season he was on pace for a stellar 8-8 year. Let's let the NFL know about this statistic. I'm sure all the remaining games will be forfeited and the 49ers will be awarded the Lombardi trophy immediately.

Sweet lets put Hill back in a QB and he can show how ineffective he is again. I wonder how many more blow out games we would see at that point. The only reason Hill is 5-4 is because he was benched because he was ineffective as the starting QB. If he were still the starting QB guess what he would have 3 more losses under his belt making him 5-7

Still better than 8 losses out of his last 9 games.

then you add the losses for the remainder of the season and Hill would be 5-14

So, Shaun would play 19 games this year? How does he make it that deep into the playoffs with only winning 5 games? Do you even watch Football?

ohh so now you don't want to count the other games from last season

See what happens when I try and play by your rules.

well if you want to play by my rules then hill would be 3-13 at the end of the season

My question still stands then. How do we make it that deep into the playoffs with only winning 4 games? (Add Alex's 2 losses and 1 win for his 3 starts)

Again, Do you even watch Football?
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sometimes I wonder.....do extreme Alex fans really care about Nate's well being, like some try to.......or

are they worried that Nate would do better than Alex.....which would basically mean the end for Alex in a 9er uniform... OH THE HORROR

Nate has shown he has a better feel for the game than Alex (early in his career and maybe still now)
3rd stringers or not Nate showed at 1:05 nice touch on this pass.....then came right back with a bullet for a 2pt conversion...

if we are eliminated from the playoffs and Alex is still struggling...then we better throw Nate in there......and see how he responds...if he plays well, Great we don't have to spend a 1st pick on a QB or sign or trade for a big name QB.........the clock is ticking.

If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better.

why are you and so many other Smith haters so obssessed with Smith being a bust? Wouldn't you rather he succeed and end the "who will be the QB" problem? But the problem is just like the others your hatred for Smith blinds the fact that he has improved and still continues to improve every week. While you are screaming at your TV for Singletary to put Hill in as the starter I will be sitting back enjoying the game watching and realizing that Smith very well could be the answer. Then again he could not be the answer as well. but I will let time decide that instead of jumping to a conclusion because I hate the guy. So what has Smith done to all you haters out there? Did he sleep with your sister? Maybe knocked up your mom? I know he killed your dog. that has to be it

Did you even read my post.....read the last sentence again.....
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"If Alex steps up and plays well and we make the playoffs then that is even better."

also, I have said numerous times... I don't hate Alex...hate is a strong word..... I actually think he is a good person...but just has not been a good QB early in his career so far....the problem is I am not patient anymore...we have a good team here....and we are still in the playoff hunt....we can't be turning the ball over....just like Alex has EVERY single game he as played this year......our offensive strategy is to win close games...we can not win close games on a consistent basis by having our QB turning the ball over every game.....think back to the Colts game....we could have won that game....it didn't help that Alex threw an INT.....the Colts ended up in great field position and got an easy score.....in a close game.....

same thing against the Titans.....TWICE late in the 4th qtr.
same thing against the Bears.....good thing Cutler gave it right back to us....over and over.

You're obsessed with INTs, but for some reason, 3-and-outs are perfectly acceptable.

Here's a quick summary of what happens when 3-and-outs mount up quickly: See Atlanta and Houston games. We lose field position, the defense tires, and just like that, the game gets out of reach.

Here's a summary of what happens when you throw a pick or 2, but are at least able to move the ball: See Tennessee game. We'll remain in the game, at the very least. I'd take 34-27 or 45-10 and 21-0. Hill's offense (turnovers or not) was flat-out embarrassing. Have you been a fan all along? I've been a fan for over 25 years, and I've never seen such a pathetic and limited offense. I've seen some pretty horrible ones, led by QBs such as Rattay, Stenstrom, etc.

Smith's offense is much, much better. It's really amazing how anyone could not see that. All he needs to do is cut down on his INTs, which is possible. Shaun Hill would need to increase his arm strength, accuracy, mobility, etc. It's not possible. Thankfully, the 49ers agree with me. Going across the U.S. and letting other teams see the 49ers reduced to Shaun Hill firing ducks to Isaac Bruce was painful.

Now, the U.S. gets to see Smith fire bullets to Crabtree. The future is looking bright for those of us who have moved on and left Shaun Hill in the dust, just like the 49ers coaches have.

When INT's lead to an average of 9 points a game for the opposition, then Yes. I'm gonna obsess about them. Have you ever wondered why the team the wins the turnover battle typically wins the game. You can't say the same about 3&outs though...

You can if you lead the league in them.

Then how come Hill has won a higher % of his starts? Or how come the team scores more points per game this year with Hill as the starting QB? Kinda weird stats when Smith is supposed to be the messiah, huh?

The team scores more points? With Hill at QB, the offense was averaging around 15.2 points per game, through 5.5 games. With Smith at QB, the offense is averaging 20.5 points per game.

Unless...you want to count blocked FGs and muffed punts...because of course, Hill was responsible for that. His presence alone causes the other team to make mistakes.

If you don't understand why we can't count the Texans game then I can't help you. Here's my one and only try at that...

Remember when Smith separated his shoulder and people wanted to count that loss against him? I said that was BS cause he wasn't able to finish that game. Also, I said the same thing when Hill put up a 106 QB rate against min in 2007; because they did not game plan against what Hill did in the second half...

Sorry, but a physical injury isn't the same as coming out of your bye week playing like crap after several weeks of crap.

By the way, even if you don't include the Houston game, Smith still has Hill beat in almost every statistical category.

Except wins and QB rating!

If I fail at reading comprehension, you fail at logic. Hill has played in twice as many more games as Smith, but OK. Hill has more wins than Smith. We'll give you that. He had us on pace for an amazing 8-8 season, until Smith came along and derailed it. How could the 49ers coaches do such a thing?

I'm not sure about the QB rating, but at one point Smith's was higher than Hill's. I'm not sure if that's still the case, although his completion % is much higher than Hill's still, as is his yards per game, points per game, and almost everything else. If you want to focus on INTs, then be my guest. The bottom line is that Favre and Manning also throw a lot of INTs, but they're great QBs. Now, go find me a guy who averages 150 yards per game, leads the league in 3-and-outs, and is still regarded as a great QB?

Take your time. I'll be here, trying to ignore the crickets.

yes, but Alex is not a Great QB like Farve or Manning....he had his chance to prove him self in a tough situation and pick him self up against the Titans...but he threw 2 more picks LATE in the game to cause us to lose a close game....

when has Alex ever shown he is a great QB to over come INTs....

Shaun has shown that even if the playcalling is making it easier for the offense to go three and out...he still has over come this against the Cardinals AT Arizona....against the Vikes AT Minnesota....as well against the Seahawks.

The bottom line is that against the Vikings, we had chances to kill the clock, and we couldn't. We lost the game, but if you want to praise him for it, be my guest. That would be like me giving Alex a win in Indianapolis. The bottom line is we lost. Sure, it isn't all on the QB, but a lot of it is.


Cool. I'm glad you can understand that concept.

Hill has lost 4 of his last 9. Smith has lost 8 of his last 9!

In that case, let's just end the season because Jesus Hill has a 5-4 record in his last 9, and this season he was on pace for a stellar 8-8 year. Let's let the NFL know about this statistic. I'm sure all the remaining games will be forfeited and the 49ers will be awarded the Lombardi trophy immediately.

Sweet lets put Hill back in a QB and he can show how ineffective he is again. I wonder how many more blow out games we would see at that point. The only reason Hill is 5-4 is because he was benched because he was ineffective as the starting QB. If he were still the starting QB guess what he would have 3 more losses under his belt making him 5-7

Still better than 8 losses out of his last 9 games.

then you add the losses for the remainder of the season and Hill would be 5-14

So, Shaun would play 19 games this year? How does he make it that deep into the playoffs with only winning 5 games? Do you even watch Football?

ohh so now you don't want to count the other games from last season

See what happens when I try and play by your rules.

well if you want to play by my rules then hill would be 3-13 at the end of the season

My question still stands then. How do we make it that deep into the playoffs with only winning 4 games? (Add Alex's 2 losses and 1 win for his 3 starts)

Again, Do you even watch Football?

how do you make the playoffs with a 3-13 record? I think you are the one not watching football
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Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
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Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)


Sorry there guy it just looks like a different offense. Same formations, same crappy play calling, same plays just different results. I know I know it is hard to grasp on but you will get it one day.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

Trust me I WOULD LOVE TO LET IT GO....and hopefully Alex will help me these next 2-3 games....
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

Trust me I WOULD LOVE TO LET IT GO....and hopefully Alex will help me these next 2-3 games....

That's the first thing any of you have said that doesn't come across as extremely biased.

Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

Trust me I WOULD LOVE TO LET IT GO....and hopefully Alex will help me these next 2-3 games....

That's the first thing any of you have said that doesn't come across as extremely biased.


holy crap
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

You don't get it, if you don't want Hill in there anymore, you have to be an Alex homer. You can't like both and just see one is better for the offense, or like neither and wish we had better play from the QB situation. The homers are the guys that can't see the only difference in the offense was that Smith went in for Hill and not the play calling, just a QB that can throw the ball better after 2 years off and two major surgeries than Hill can completely healthy without rust.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

You don't get it, if you don't want Hill in there anymore, you have to be an Alex homer. You can't like both and just see one is better for the offense, or like neither and wish we had better play from the QB situation. The homers are the guys that can't see the only difference in the offense was that Smith went in for Hill and not the play calling, just a QB that can throw the ball better after 2 years off and two major surgeries than Hill can completely healthy without rust.

So, I'm guessing Matt Maiocco is a Shaun Hill homer huh???

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Question: do the niners go with more spread in this game than we have seen so far this season?

My response: They've gone with a lot of spread the past two games with Delanie Walker used as a third WR or second TE (whatever you want to call him). Have fun at the game tomorrow. --Matt M.

stop trying to BS....most fans notice what is going on.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by B650:
^^

Yup, even Raye admitted that the offense really is the same. I'm sure it looks different with a REAL QB under center, but really, it's the same. The only real difference I saw was at the end of the game when we were trying to kill the clock. Instead of the usual run up the gut, we tried running out of shotgun, and it worked. It's easier to do this when you have a QB who actually scares people.

You two are Hilarious..... you are going to tell me we started to come out in Shut Gun formation.....ran different formations EARLY in games....and that is how were were calling games all year....HA!....even in the Colts game we weren't doing this (besides the 2min offense when the Colts were playing prevent)

Well, that's what Raye said, so go ask him. Just because we're in shotgun, doesn't mean the offense changed. Go look at the Arizona game. In that Godly drive by Hill, did we not use shotgun?

yes we did...and we did fine...I wish we used it more often with Hill back there....he did fine last year in that same formation in Martz's offense.....

As far as asking Raye.... again.... .... besides you two...are there any Alex homers who want to agree that we are running the same type of offense early in games all year....like these two are saying ALL of the sudden.

I'm not an Alex homer, trust me. I wanted Hill to start last year when O'Sullivan started sucking. Now Hill sucks, and I want Smith to start. I want whoever gives us the best chance to win starting, and that definitely isn't Hill. I have a feeling you have a hard time getting over exes. Let it go man, let it go. Hill isn't a starting QB and never will be.

You don't get it, if you don't want Hill in there anymore, you have to be an Alex homer. You can't like both and just see one is better for the offense, or like neither and wish we had better play from the QB situation. The homers are the guys that can't see the only difference in the offense was that Smith went in for Hill and not the play calling, just a QB that can throw the ball better after 2 years off and two major surgeries than Hill can completely healthy without rust.

So, I'm guessing Matt Maiocco is a Shaun Hill homer huh???

Quote:
Question: do the niners go with more spread in this game than we have seen so far this season?

My response: They've gone with a lot of spread the past two games with Delanie Walker used as a third WR or second TE (whatever you want to call him). Have fun at the game tomorrow. --Matt M.

stop trying to BS....most fans notice what is going on.

Whatever the case, it still proves our point. It's either the offense is being run the same and Smith just makes it look better, or the offense is different now with Smith in there, which again, makes Hill look bad because why is it that the offense opens up with Smith and not Hill? Any reason for that?

Do some of you have your own personal reasons as to why Hill is a better QB than Smith, or what? Almost all the fans and coaches agree that Smith is a better QB than Hill.

You want Hill throwing passes to Crabtree and Davis? Football is a game of inches. The WRs do everything in their power to get open, even if it's for a split-second. Do you want a guy out there throwing ducks or a guy who can rifle it in? If Hill was our QB, Crabtree would be an absolute waste of talent. I think the 49ers realize that.