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For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?
I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.
I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.
The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........
The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.
If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.
Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.
Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............
Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?
I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.
Im sorry, but Im not going to excuse Alex because Brady also throws INTs. The OP used Brady and Roethlisberger as "standards" by which to compare Smith. Yes, he didnt say Smith was as good as them, but he said that given the time by the oline, those QBs could make things happen, whereas poor oline play caused them to lose games. I responded by demonstrating that Alex has LOST us games despite having plenty of time to throw. Do Brady and Big Ben throw big INTs when it counts ? Sure they do. But for every INT they throw that costs their team a game, they make 10 good ones that help their teams win games. Can you say the same for Smith ? Yeah, I didnt think so......
No, you can't. Why don't we all do an all-out comparison though? Brady's OL and his WRs: how do they compare with ours? How about Manning's? Big Ben's? How about their OCs? Do they take the ball out of their hands or allow them to make plays?
I'm not saying Smith is anywhere near any of the QBs I've mentioned, but he has a lot going against him. He's making small strides though. Remember, he's only 25 years old.
All I know is that I'd rather throw for 286 yards and lose by 7 than watch Shaun Hill's snail-like offense put up 100 yards of passing with no turnovers. It's painful to watch. At least Smith moves the ball. If only he can stop throwing as many INTs, we have ourselves a QB.
What's it going to take for Shaun Hill to be an effective QB? Steroids? How can he improve? He's too limited to be a starter in this league, so right now, we're stuck with Smith.
Ah, yes. The eternal excuse for Alex Smith. Lets see. You used:
A) He's only 25 years old
B) no supporting cast
Same s**t Ive been hearing since the guy was drafted. BTW, why do you guys always use Hill as a standard for comparing Smith ? This isnt a "lets compare Smith to Hill" thread. If Smith is the future for us, shouldnt you guys be using someone a little more "legit" to compare Smith to ?