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Rate Alex Smith on his QB play

C

...but barely. If it werent for the Houston & Indy game he'd probably be a D in my book. Right now he's doing about average. 1:1 td/int ratio, OK yards per game, etc. He's doing ok. He's definitely a different QB then he was before.

To kinda copy what some one else did:

Positives
1) Better all around presence. He's more of a leader it seems. He has better pocket presence and seems more vocal.
2) Not as overly cautious anymore.
3) Arm is fully healed and he can make all the throws.
4) His intermediate throws are just awesome.
5) Doesn't just take the sack. Mobile and good awareness.

Negatives
1) Lately he's been locking on his WRs again.
2) When situation is dire, he tends to throw it away first (see that play in the Chicago game where he has Morgan and Davis open in the endzone).
3) Little reckless at times. I dont know maybe he hung out with JTO a little too much but (the TEN game especially) he throws before thinking. Thats not his style and obviously shouldnt be.
4) Holds the ball too long sometimes (although not as much as before).
5) He needs to get better out of the I form.


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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.
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This thread was a good idea, but I would have liked +/- options.
[ Edited by Crazy4Niners on Nov 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM ]
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
C

Pros -

He's showing a new found pocket presence, some leadership, and is developing a rapport with MC and VD.

Cons -

Still locking on to one WR, taking coverage sacks, and is overthrowing some easy completions.

i must say i'd have to agree with this
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Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.



If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.


Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.


If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.

Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............

Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?

I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.
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Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.


If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.

Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............

Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?

I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.


Im sorry, but Im not going to excuse Alex because Brady also throws INTs. The OP used Brady and Roethlisberger as "standards" by which to compare Smith. Yes, he didnt say Smith was as good as them, but he said that given the time by the oline, those QBs could make things happen, whereas poor oline play caused them to lose games. I responded by demonstrating that Alex has LOST us games despite having plenty of time to throw. Do Brady and Big Ben throw big INTs when it counts ? Sure they do. But for every INT they throw that costs their team a game, they make 10 good ones that help their teams win games. Can you say the same for Smith ? Yeah, I didnt think so......
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

QFT

Cut Z some slack, his butt is still hurting from Hill getting benched, since he was our only chance to make the playoffs.
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.


If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.

Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............

Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?

I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.


Im sorry, but Im not going to excuse Alex because Brady also throws INTs. The OP used Brady and Roethlisberger as "standards" by which to compare Smith. Yes, he didnt say Smith was as good as them, but he said that given the time by the oline, those QBs could make things happen, whereas poor oline play caused them to lose games. I responded by demonstrating that Alex has LOST us games despite having plenty of time to throw. Do Brady and Big Ben throw big INTs when it counts ? Sure they do. But for every INT they throw that costs their team a game, they make 10 good ones that help their teams win games. Can you say the same for Smith ? Yeah, I didnt think so......

No, you can't. Why don't we all do an all-out comparison though? Brady's OL and his WRs: how do they compare with ours? How about Manning's? Big Ben's? How about their OCs? Do they take the ball out of their hands or allow them to make plays?

I'm not saying Smith is anywhere near any of the QBs I've mentioned, but he has a lot going against him. He's making small strides though. Remember, he's only 25 years old.

All I know is that I'd rather throw for 286 yards and lose by 7 than watch Shaun Hill's snail-like offense put up 100 yards of passing with no turnovers. It's painful to watch. At least Smith moves the ball. If only he can stop throwing as many INTs, we have ourselves a QB.

What's it going to take for Shaun Hill to be an effective QB? Steroids? How can he improve? He's too limited to be a starter in this league, so right now, we're stuck with Smith.
[ Edited by B650 on Nov 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM ]
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.


If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.

Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............

Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?

I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.


Im sorry, but Im not going to excuse Alex because Brady also throws INTs. The OP used Brady and Roethlisberger as "standards" by which to compare Smith. Yes, he didnt say Smith was as good as them, but he said that given the time by the oline, those QBs could make things happen, whereas poor oline play caused them to lose games. I responded by demonstrating that Alex has LOST us games despite having plenty of time to throw. Do Brady and Big Ben throw big INTs when it counts ? Sure they do. But for every INT they throw that costs their team a game, they make 10 good ones that help their teams win games. Can you say the same for Smith ? Yeah, I didnt think so......

when has Smith ever had time to throw throughout his career? He has been running for his life since day 1. As for the "big plays" that Brady and company throw you aslo have to factor in the "big plays" the WR's come up with. our WR's aren't exactly "big play" types now are they? Unless you count bouncing the ball 10ft in the air like it is a damn beach volleyball game.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I gave him a B by using LOGIC....what kind of chart are you using to not give him a B?

here's a lesson for you.

GIVEN: Smith has the worst OL in football, 2 backup tackles STarting, 2 Horrible Guards, NO time to throw......and still has 6 td's and ONLY 6 int's is great. PUT BRADY, MANNING, and you other great qb's behind OUR OL, they would not do much better.

this concludes the lesson
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Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I gave him a B by using LOGIC....what kind of chart are you using to not give him a B?

here's a lesson for you.

GIVEN: Smith has the worst OL in football, 2 backup tackles STarting, 2 Horrible Guards, NO time to throw......and still has 6 td's and ONLY 6 int's is great. PUT BRADY, MANNING, and you other great qb's behind OUR OL, they would not do much better.

this concludes the lesson


What a joke. Your "lesson" is flawed because Rodgers is playing with a WORSE offensive line and is putting up better numbers. So if Rodgers can put up great numbers with a worse oline than ours, then what would Brady and Manning do behind our piece of s**t line ?

Lesson over...........
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I saw some replays of the Bengals and Steelers in the fourth quarter just now. The Bengals brought the heat and Big Ben couldn't get his feet set. As a result, he made bad throws. I remember that Super Bowl a couple of years ago: it was really the first time I could remember that I saw Brady under duress for an entire game and he didn't look like Tom Brady. An offensive line is going to play a big part in how a QB looks. Am I saying that Alex is comparable to Ben and Brady? No, but what I am saying without adequate protection they don't look like themselves either.

I don't know if Smith will shine if this line improves. I am a little worried that he still seems to hesitate and not anticipate. But I do know that the offensive line of the Niners hasn't really helped the throwing game of the Niners for many years. I do know that Alex can do some intriquing things. He can make all of the throws, hit receivers and do things with his feet. It just seems that some of you want him him to fail. Yet if he can succeed this would be the best thing possible for the Niners. Here is to hoping he does.

The difference is that Brady and Big Ben have both shined when their lines are doing well. Smith has not. The 2 picks he threw on the final drives against Tennessee (worst ranked defense) werent throws under pressure where he had to get the ball out. They were just bad throws. The INT he threw against HOU to end the game wasnt a pressured throw...just a bad read by him. I dont think its fair to use Brady, Roethlisberger, and Smith in the same sentence because Smith has never done anything to prove he can play like them........

The pick against Houston was thrown in a collapsing pocket. Let's be fair or there is really no way to evaluate.


If you want to play "fair", then you can acknowledge that the line gave him plenty of time on that play to make something happen. The pocket didnt collapse right off the bat. Not mention you can see on the screen that he had a receiver open on an out route.

Both throws into coverage with the pocket giving him time to make a play.


Doesnt seem Brady-like to me............

Really? So Brady has never thrown an INT when he's had enough time?

I'm sorry, but the way people argue on here makes me think that the 49ers have the dumbest fans in the league.


Im sorry, but Im not going to excuse Alex because Brady also throws INTs. The OP used Brady and Roethlisberger as "standards" by which to compare Smith. Yes, he didnt say Smith was as good as them, but he said that given the time by the oline, those QBs could make things happen, whereas poor oline play caused them to lose games. I responded by demonstrating that Alex has LOST us games despite having plenty of time to throw. Do Brady and Big Ben throw big INTs when it counts ? Sure they do. But for every INT they throw that costs their team a game, they make 10 good ones that help their teams win games. Can you say the same for Smith ? Yeah, I didnt think so......

when has Smith ever had time to throw throughout his career? He has been running for his life since day 1. As for the "big plays" that Brady and company throw you aslo have to factor in the "big plays" the WR's come up with. our WR's aren't exactly "big play" types now are they? Unless you count bouncing the ball 10ft in the air like it is a damn beach volleyball game.


Before Moss and Welker came along, Brady didnt exactly have HOF receivers helping him out. Didnt seem to bother him then, now did it ?
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
For the people that gave him a B, what kind of assessment chart do you use ? Im asuming you have Brady, Manning, and Favre slotted in as an A. Are you telling me that Alex is playing one tier below them at this time ?

I gave him a B by using LOGIC....what kind of chart are you using to not give him a B?

here's a lesson for you.

GIVEN: Smith has the worst OL in football, 2 backup tackles STarting, 2 Horrible Guards, NO time to throw......and still has 6 td's and ONLY 6 int's is great. PUT BRADY, MANNING, and you other great qb's behind OUR OL, they would not do much better.

this concludes the lesson


What a joke. Your "lesson" is flawed because Rodgers is playing with a WORSE offensive line and is putting up better numbers. So if Rodgers can put up great numbers with a worse oline than ours, then what would Brady and Manning do behind our piece of s**t line ?

Lesson over...........

Does Rodgers OC and HC go into a shell every time something goes wrong or the team is up by 4 pts?
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Should of said Smith and Offensive Line. The Quarterback is only good as the line is. There is only one Joe Montana. But I do think We need more help on the line than any other position on Offense. Or a better line coach.