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Bring back the pump fake...PLEASE!

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Originally posted by kujon11:
what's with all the infatuation with the pump fake lately. it's like everyone jumped on big ben's nuts after he "pump faked them into submission" according to chris collinsworth

agreed. People keep talking about because they heard on tv.

Being a smart qb is way more important than the pump fake
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The pump fake is not really something that even has to be taught. It should come naturally to a QB. While making your reads and making a decision throw in some pump fakes.

It comes with the feel of the game. It doesn't have to be taught. I've seen Shaun Hill do it a few times in the last few seasons he's had opportunities.
Peyton Manning has a great pump fake you just need to know how to use it, you use it on double moves to draw the corner and also when the safety is in a zone coverage you pump fake to draw him away from where you actually want to throw the ball. Also to get the lineman in the air as well.
I always thought Alex didnt pump fake because his hands are to small
he doesn't have time to throw it, let alone pump fake then throw
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Joe Montana, Steve Young, in days of yore, both 2 of the best QBs in the league during their playing days. Ben Rothlisberger, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Palmer...are the best at their positions today, and the first 3 are going to be locks in the HOF. What is they have in common? Watch any series they play, and they all pump fake. Which brings us to alex: crappy OL, no real time, but what if he routinely used a pump fake, even if it was to the guy he was staring down? No question in my mind it would incr his percentage, because good pump fakes usually give the receiver just a second to get open.

Pump fakes work best if you stare at one guy, or two, and then throw to another. It would have to be quick because this OL doesn't give him much, if any time, but i can't believe it wouldn't help him break his bad habit of staring down (telegraphing) a receiver until the guy gets doubled.

Jimmy Rae, HC, QB coach...Please work on alex to use the pump fake like all the top flite Qbs do. The worst it could do would be to make his completion % go up. I sure don't see any downsides...but it better be quick. Frankly , i am disappointed that alex doesn't already have our qB coach working with him on this. Hey, if our OL can't passblock, then alex has to do something else by himself to get our receivers open...but quickly, before the OL gets him mauled.

God in heaven you are so right. I have been b***hing about this for a while. how is it possible for a coach like Raye to be in the league for so many years and not implement this basic technique!!!!

yet another reason why we are doomed with raye.
Originally posted by Adman:
Screw the pump fake. He doesn't have the time to waste throwing pumpfakes.

I would like to see him utilize his legs more. When you see daylight ahead and no ones open...you tuck it and run that ball for 10 or more yards everytime.


Dude the pump fake would GIVE HIM MORE TIME! the D line hesitates and the safety freezes.
You need major chemistry with your receivers in order for a pump fake to be affective. We can't even get our qb to have a chance to get hemistru with the OC let alone the receivers.
Maybe they will implement it later after a full year in this offense. Right now I don't see the O-line giving Smith much time other than a first option on any given play. He'll be lucky to have time for a check down.

Maybe he could do it a few per game but not as much as other qb have done. Let Smith learn to read defense and in sync with our WR as he drops back before asking him to pump fake and possibly fake out our own rookie and second year WRs
After the GB game, i wrote that alex would really help himself by using pump fakes, like Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, and esp big Ben. So, to start the game, alex looks one way, fakes, then throws the other way. Completion, and faked the D out of their jocks. Then alex forgot to pump fake again, until late in game, when he pump faked, pulled it down and ran for a nice gain. Look, he played a very ,very good game, but if the kid could just make himself pump fake, he could become one of the top tier qbs, joining the list above. If he can do it once, he certainly can do it again. If he can learn this one simple move, he can complete way more passes than he has to date.

Obviously his college coach didn't teach pump fakes, because he showed up here and virtually never used them. His big flaw remains staring down his receiver. By pump faking it helps him not stare his receiver down. In a way, it reminds him, pump fake, then turn and throw it to the other side. Anybody know how we can get that message to our qB?
E-mail VD.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
After the GB game, i wrote that alex would really help himself by using pump fakes, like Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, and esp big Ben. So, to start the game, alex looks one way, fakes, then throws the other way. Completion, and faked the D out of their jocks. Then alex forgot to pump fake again, until late in game, when he pump faked, pulled it down and ran for a nice gain. Look, he played a very ,very good game, but if the kid could just make himself pump fake, he could become one of the top tier qbs, joining the list above. If he can do it once, he certainly can do it again. If he can learn this one simple move, he can complete way more passes than he has to date.

Obviously his college coach didn't teach pump fakes, because he showed up here and virtually never used them. His big flaw remains staring down his receiver. By pump faking it helps him not stare his receiver down. In a way, it reminds him, pump fake, then turn and throw it to the other side. Anybody know how we can get that message to our qB?

You need a oline that will give you time to pump fake. I think in the gun he has a little time to do it but not much. He actually did one in the GB game, the TD to Crabs, he pumped towards the post then threw a thing of beauty to Crabs.
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He has plenty to learn to refine his game...

I really like what I see from him. He has improved so much from where he was 2 years ago. He's much more confident in the pocket, every once in awhile you see flashes of the old alex but I'm happy with his performance.

I had written him off last year. if he was cut or traded I could have cared less. As much as Jimmy Raye pisses me off sometimes, I think if he can stick around for a second year it will help Alex out a lot.
It will come with time
i was really never an alex fan nor an alex detractor. I was a 49er QB fan, regardless of who we had. Okay, i have been an alex "hoper", as in i hope he succeeds. Nothing more. I have also posted that until he got even an adequate OL, it would be impossible to know if he was good or not. Well, getting back to the style of football he played in college has helped immeasurably, and not playing "we're gonna run it down their throats" has helped a lot too. Remember, this was only one game. BigMike could revert next week...but i hope not.

So now alex is in the system he came up in , and even if he has NO OC, he is a lot more comfortable here, and it showed. Yet he meets with jimmyrae daily, a good sign, but it took the receivers to go to bigMike to get him to spread things out. Now, if alex could just add that pump fake, i swear he would incr his completion percentage10-15% . He looks good, but unfortunately, he looks at his target woefully long, and gives the entire stadium a telegraph as to where the ball is going. Pump fakes can sure make a lot of that go away.

And as for emailing, VD(who i believe is the one receiver that bigMike would have listened to), man i would do it in a heartbeat, if you knew his email.