Originally posted by Afrikan:Originally posted by B650:Originally posted by Afrikan:Originally posted by Jersey9er:Originally posted by Afrikan:Originally posted by Method:
What Hill did was go home instead of staying here to pass with Crabtree. If you tell me this didn't make a difference in Singletary's head when comparing the two Quarterbacks, you're being delusional.
I don't know if you can tell Method...but it was always meant for Alex to eventually get one last chance to start or what ever....even if it meant our season...and that is what it seems like is happening...
before Sing was retained as HC...it was reported about how they (front office) wanted a coach who could still salvage Alex's career.....Sing told them that he felt had a bad deal in his first few years and believed in him....I'm sure that helped out alittle bit in the decision....
So I'm sure every little thing was considered when looking for a reason to start Alex again....... they gave him every opportunity in OTAs,Training Camp, PreSeason to "win" the starting role....but Alex couldn't do it convincingly, just like Alex couldn't beat out Rattay even though the starting Job was basically given to him, in his rookie year..... then after a few games where Rattay played fine...had 5tds in 3 games...but was still pulled after struggling in the first half against the Cards......3.5 games into the Season that we were TOLD we were going to play to win the WEST...but the keys were given to Alex........so again...after a few set of games....the keys are given to him again.....when were TOLD that we were going to play to win the WEST...
like a said a while ago....although I hope and expect Alex to pick up his game....Singletary is taking a very dangerous risk with putting all chips on Alex, like Nolan did......Sing has been here this whole time...he should know first hand about depending solely on Alex......
but, as I have said before....maybe this was part of the deal, as far as getting the gig....playing Alex if the opportunity was there.... I mean, when other players on our team were making mistakes....Sing was telling them off....no nonsense.....but with Alex...it was kind of pathetic seeing Singletary on that podium making excuses for all those turnovers.....one or two maybe....haha.....man it looked like he was reaching.....the Great Mike Singletary....did not look like the Singletary I have watched or heard these past year.
Dont forget when we won some games, and Hill didnt produce, he made excuses for HIll's horrible play. ON the blowout, he made excuses for HIll, after the Bye, when all thought Smith should get in, he stood by Hill and let him start against the Texans, and then what, he still bombed. The only games we won behind center were within our division with Hill behind center, and to be real, you may not like it, but i bet we wouldnt have beat them if they were playing like they are now.
But enough about should of or would of. Dont lose sight brotha AFrik, that Sing, and i quote said, Hill started the beginning of the season because at that time, he gave us the best chance to win. Key words, at that time.
Now, with a new WR starting core, new OC plays being called, new o-lineman. With all these changes, Smith gives us the best chance to win. And stop pointin out INT's im watchin every week and almost every damn qb this week threw for 1 or 2 int's. The point is, and the upside is that Smith has scored more Td's in his short span than in HIll's 6 games. So i mean it comes down to would u rather have a QB, that can ONLY manage a game, but no turnovers (oh besides sacks), or a QB who so far, has looked better with his feet, can utilize the entire field and all of our WR's,
and not too mention that Gore has had his best yardage avg's once Smith is behind center.
So i mean lets stop b***hin. He didnt do anything wrong. He was just being Hill, and when the smoke cleared and it caught up to him, he was pulled. Just that simple.
this is the problem.... I have no problem if Alex did all these things...or should I say, is allowed to do all these things....... when he has been allowed to pass like crazy...play in a spread...turnovers have happened....in a 5 day span Alex had 4INTs 2fumbles..
Raye opened up the offense for him in that Titans game...and there were alot of turnovers......then 5 days later...we came out in a spread type offense against the Bears (and I loved what Alex was doing...a couple of missed passes but, I still like it)....but what happened after that one INT.......right after that INT, Sing pulled EVERYTHING back.....and we started to try to run out the clock in the beginning of the 3rd qtr. ....with a 4pt lead .....
so this is the thing....if Alex is going to be used, then I want him to have more than one chance to redeem himself...or atleast let him get into rhythm and built more confidence....and just be aggressive as an offense.... (it doesn't have to be deep passes or what ever....just more spread type passes on 1st and 2nd down)
and if he struggles and throws INTs and fumbles...then get his arse out of there.....but if he plays like how some of yall Alex fans feel he can play... THEN GREAT and we have a great chance at the playoffs and maybe more....because we have alot of weapons on offense..and a great defense to get it done week in and week out against any team.
but....if we are going to change the whole offensive gameplan, midgame, just because of one INT...and play it close with Alex as our QB...then that is when I have a HUGE problem..... Alex just hasn't proved to be realible in these close type games.....yes he chokes.....in the Titans game late in the 4th qtr when he could have drove us down field to win the game...he threw an INT....our defense then held them to 3pts and we got another chance to tie the game....THIS IS RARE... Alex got a RARE opportunity to redeem himself...and drive us downfield to tie the game....he didn't have to do too much...it wasn't 4th and long or what ever...there was alot of time on the clock...but what did he do.....threw another pick ....
so if we ARE going to play these close types of games....then I'm more comfortable with Shaun, because he as PROVED that he can drive us down field in the 4th qtr when we needed him...on 3 occasions......
so Jersey.....if we are going to call plays like how we did against the Bears in the first half.... I have no problem with Alex or Shaun back there.....BUT if we are going to play these close, not to lose, type games then HELL NO I don't feel comfortable with Alex back there....and would rather have Shaun Hill back there.......does that sound like a bias point of view...or a point of view of someone who wants the best for the team to win games and make the playoffs...
does that answer your question though?
So Hill drove us down the field in the 4th quarter on 3 occasions...when was this? Are you counting preseason? All I remember is the Arizona game. That's one time. He did it against Minnesota, but that was very early in the 4th and we LOST. We lost because we got conservative, and that's because we had Shaun Hill in at QB. So yes, he drove us down there, but the coaches got conservative because they don't trust him.
It's the same with Alex. He comes out firing, and then in the 2nd half the coaches get conservative again and have him hand the ball off to Gore for 2-yard gains.
Maybe the QB isn't the problem. Maybe it's the coaches.
this doesn't make sense B650..... I find it VERY weird that "they would not trust him" right after he just came through for the team and got them a 4pt lead..... in Shaun's case I wouldn't say its trust....at least in that scenario.........but
in Alex case...it was RIGHT after that INT, that we got all conservative.....and less than 5 days after Alex threw 3ints and 2 fumbles.........so in Alex case...against the Bears...I feel yes there was not trust.......but in the Vike game....Shaun gave the coaches no reason not to trust him....they were just too conservative.....it was late in the 4th qtr and we had a 4pt lead....they were trying to run out the clock and force Farvra to drive the length of the field and pull out a miracle.......where as with Alex....it was right after that INT and our offense approach changed dramatically with a only a 4pt lead with 3rd and 4th qtr still to be played.
but yes...I agree the OC has problems with both QBs in trust in opening up the offense.....I'll just speak for Shaun...but he did fine with Martz in a pretty open offense...with Gore not having much of an impact....still scored TDs.....and I'm just he would do fine with the type of offense we ran in the first half against the Bears....
You're right. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, which is why it's happening. The coaches are clueless.
In Arizona, Shaun Hill drove us down the field and put us up 20-16, but then when we got the ball back, all we did was run the ball, and I'm talking like 3 straight times up the gut for no gain.
Shaun Hill does the same in Minnesota, and we get the ball back with a lead. What do we do? Run the ball 3 straight times into the teeth of the Minnesota defense. We lose.
Alex Smith drives the team for a TD against Indianapolis just before the half. What do we do? We come out the 2nd half and run the ball.
We come out firing against the Bears and move the chains. We come out in the 2nd half, guess what...yes...running the ball. At least this time it was creative. We used shotgun to run.
Overall, the coaches don't trust whoever is in there, whether it's Alex OR Shaun.
The bottom line is that whoever is in there, it's the coaches who need to step their game up and TRUST the QB.