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Did Shaun Hill do/say something wrong?

Now -- before you get excited -- hear me out kids. Yes, indeed, I am sober this morning and thinking somewhat rational thoughts. This is not another "bash Alex" thread nor is it a "I love Shaun's jockstrap" thread.

Call it an "I wonder" thread.

Just got done reading the Barrows report on Coach Singletary's assessment after the game. The line of, "I thought Alex did a good job," caught me off guard. I mean, even the most fervent Alex supporters will admit the dude simply has not performed the way they think he can. They keep waiting for the light to snap on.

But when I see that line of "I think Alex did a good job," man I'm wondering if Singletary is watching the same game I am. To me -- it's akin to Singletary uttering the line of "Hill has the strongest arm in all of NFL football." Many of you would sit up and say, "what?" Is he watching the same QB I'm watching?

There is absolutely NO MENTION of inserting Hill back into the lineup, which leads me to believe that it's probably not going to happen. It's like the man has fallen off the charts or something. Singletary has made it clear that he's going with Alex -- come He** or high water.

Now -- I understand that Hill is not going to lead us to the promised land. But the man still delivered three wins. He won an open QB competition in camp and was installed as the clear #1 to start the season.

In the space of less than eight games -- he went from clear #1 to not even so much as a mention. To me? That's seems strange. It just doesn't smell right.

Which makes me wonder.... What -- if anything -- did he do wrong? He's been awfully quiet lately. No Hill quotes that I've seen.

Am I dreaming? Or is there smoke there?
You are seeing what you want to see. Alex has played better than Hill. You see the extra running room for gore? That comes from defenses respecting Alexs arm.
I looks to me like McCloughan and Singletary had a heart to heart and agreed that Hill isn't the future and want to see if after basically a two year hiatus, whether Smith can be a serviceable NFL starter under Mike Johnson.
The offense was just completely compressed to a short field with Hill's arm strength & the o-line. Smith makes the WR more of a threat to the defense. I don't think Shaun did anything wrong.
Originally posted by tohara3:
The offense was just completely compressed to a short field with Hill's arm strength & the o-line. Smith makes the WR more of a threat to the defense. I don't think Shaun did anything wrong.

Wide receivers were non-existent with Hill. Nice guy, just not the future.

[ Edited by JoseCortez on Nov 14, 2009 at 08:13:18 ]
It is obvious to almost everyone that Smith is better for the offense than Hill. Hill has been exposed for what he is, a career third stringer. He was never a sure fire starter, there is not one other team in the NFL he could start for. I am not saying Smith will be the guy to lead the niners, he has much to prove to me before I feel comfortable with that. Hill just was in over his head, he is a gutsy guy, but guts aren't all it takes to play quarterback in the NFL. I think the coaches feel that Smith can still be taught how to play in the NFL, and they are going to make sure before they spend another draft pick on a QB and set the teams progress back a couple of more years. I think Smith has the intelligence and work ethic to continue to improve, I do not see why everyone freaks out when a guy coming back from an eighteen month layoff due to a serious shoulder injury seems to struggle a bit. I expected him to struggle, but to continue to show improvement over the course of the year. I do not think it is as unreasonable as those who obviously expected him to come back sharp out of the gate and play at a pro bowl level. He has shown me signs of improving and the mistakes he makes now are more from lack of NFL experience than from lack of talent, some of you guys just deal only in absolutes, so you get disappointed to easily.
Listen -- I'll be the first to admit that Hill doesn't have a rocket arm. He doesn't even have Smith's arm.

But that still didn't stop him from hitting some medium range passes. That late TD pass to Vernon against Minny? That was a 20-yard thing of beauty. Was it a rocket throw? Nope. But he still got the ball there.

I don't know. I still see smoke.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Listen -- I'll be the first to admit that Hill doesn't have a rocket arm. He doesn't even have Smith's arm.

But that still didn't stop him from hitting some medium range passes. That late TD pass to Vernon against Minny? That was a 20-yard thing of beauty. Was it a rocket throw? Nope. But he still got the ball there.

I don't know. I still see smoke.

45-10 against the falcons, 21-0 against the Texans, the team was not in good shape.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It is obvious to almost everyone that Smith is better for the offense than Hill. Hill has been exposed for what he is, a career third stringer. He was never a sure fire starter, there is not one other team in the NFL he could start for. I am not saying Smith will be the guy to lead the niners, he has much to prove to me before I feel comfortable with that. Hill just was in over his head, he is a gutsy guy, but guts aren't all it takes to play quarterback in the NFL. I think the coaches feel that Smith can still be taught how to play in the NFL, and they are going to make sure before they spend another draft pick on a QB and set the teams progress back a couple of more years. I think Smith has the intelligence and work ethic to continue to improve, I do not see why everyone freaks out when a guy coming back from an eighteen month layoff due to a serious shoulder injury seems to struggle a bit. I expected him to struggle, but to continue to show improvement over the course of the year. I do not think it is as unreasonable as those who obviously expected him to come back sharp out of the gate and play at a pro bowl level. He has shown me signs of improving and the mistakes he makes now are more from lack of NFL experience than from lack of talent, some of you guys just deal only in absolutes, so you get disappointed to easily.

Coming out of the gate -- I did not expect the Niners to be a playoff team this season.

Yet -- when we started out 3-1 -- well I'll admit -- I had hopes. I'm a fan -- I'll admit it.

Benching Hill in favor of Alex was -- to me -- a signal that the organization isn't committed to a playoff run this season. I see what you're saying about Alex and you're probably right -- they need to see if he can lead the team or not. I can't argue with that I suppose. It is best for the long-term.

But -- at the same time -- it seems to close the door on a playoff run.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Listen -- I'll be the first to admit that Hill doesn't have a rocket arm. He doesn't even have Smith's arm.

But that still didn't stop him from hitting some medium range passes. That late TD pass to Vernon against Minny? That was a 20-yard thing of beauty. Was it a rocket throw? Nope. But he still got the ball there.

I don't know. I still see smoke.

45-10 against the falcons, 21-0 against the Texans, the team was not in good shape.

You can't really blame poor defensive efforts on Hill. I bet we still rank pretty high on 3 and outs. I am still convinced that we are severely gimped with Raye calling the shots. His plays are sooo uncreative. I mean, we almost lost to Chicago because our defense can't hold anything... The pass rush has become practically nonexistent...
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It is obvious to almost everyone that Smith is better for the offense than Hill. Hill has been exposed for what he is, a career third stringer. He was never a sure fire starter, there is not one other team in the NFL he could start for. I am not saying Smith will be the guy to lead the niners, he has much to prove to me before I feel comfortable with that. Hill just was in over his head, he is a gutsy guy, but guts aren't all it takes to play quarterback in the NFL. I think the coaches feel that Smith can still be taught how to play in the NFL, and they are going to make sure before they spend another draft pick on a QB and set the teams progress back a couple of more years. I think Smith has the intelligence and work ethic to continue to improve, I do not see why everyone freaks out when a guy coming back from an eighteen month layoff due to a serious shoulder injury seems to struggle a bit. I expected him to struggle, but to continue to show improvement over the course of the year. I do not think it is as unreasonable as those who obviously expected him to come back sharp out of the gate and play at a pro bowl level. He has shown me signs of improving and the mistakes he makes now are more from lack of NFL experience than from lack of talent, some of you guys just deal only in absolutes, so you get disappointed to easily.

Coming out of the gate -- I did not expect the Niners to be a playoff team this season.

Yet -- when we started out 3-1 -- well I'll admit -- I had hopes. I'm a fan -- I'll admit it.

Benching Hill in favor of Alex was -- to me -- a signal that the organization isn't committed to a playoff run this season. I see what you're saying about Alex and you're probably right -- they need to see if he can lead the team or not. I can't argue with that I suppose. It is best for the long-term.

But -- at the same time -- it seems to close the door on a playoff run.

We were not going to make the playoffs with Hill either, he just doesn't give the offense a chance to succeed. The coaches realized that and decided to work for the future. The defenses had figured him out and were playing closer to the line and daring Hill to beat them, which wasn't happening. They could run blitz on any down and either stuff Gore or sack Hill. With Smith, they have to respect the wideouts and can't stack 8 men in the box constantly to stop Gore. To me it seems that Smith is just the lesser of two evils, and the coaches are going to use the rest of this year to see if Smith can grow into the starting role with a little continuity and a real QB coach. He has shown improvement in his game, hopefully his decision making will improve with experience. If he does continue to improve over the long term, you have to like how he is a Niner at heart and stayed here when he could have gotten away from San Francisco where he has been the whipping boy of the franchise for 4+ years. I am sure that Norv Turner would have given him the same money he is getting here to be a backup at San Diego, Turner likes the kid. He chose to stay here because he wants to be a Niner and prove to everyone that he belongs in the NFL.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Now -- before you get excited -- hear me out kids. Yes, indeed, I am sober this morning and thinking somewhat rational thoughts. This is not another "bash Alex" thread nor is it a "I love Shaun's jockstrap" thread.

Call it an "I wonder" thread.

Just got done reading the Barrows report on Coach Singletary's assessment after the game. The line of, "I thought Alex did a good job," caught me off guard. I mean, even the most fervent Alex supporters will admit the dude simply has not performed the way they think he can. They keep waiting for the light to snap on.

But when I see that line of "I think Alex did a good job," man I'm wondering if Singletary is watching the same game I am. To me -- it's akin to Singletary uttering the line of "Hill has the strongest arm in all of NFL football." Many of you would sit up and say, "what?" Is he watching the same QB I'm watching?

There is absolutely NO MENTION of inserting Hill back into the lineup, which leads me to believe that it's probably not going to happen. It's like the man has fallen off the charts or something. Singletary has made it clear that he's going with Alex -- come He** or high water.

Now -- I understand that Hill is not going to lead us to the promised land. But the man still delivered three wins. He won an open QB competition in camp and was installed as the clear #1 to start the season.

In the space of less than eight games -- he went from clear #1 to not even so much as a mention. To me? That's seems strange. It just doesn't smell right.

Which makes me wonder.... What -- if anything -- did he do wrong? He's been awfully quiet lately. No Hill quotes that I've seen.

Am I dreaming? Or is there smoke there?

i think the explanation is quite simple :
sing has seen Hill play for 14 games in a row (almost a season with a 8-6 record) and decided he wasn't the QB to lead us to the playoffs after two bad games (falcons, texans although the first one is a complete team failure so you should count one)
Now he wants to see if alex is the one and give him a fair chance that probably means starts for the remainder of the season, support him thru the media to give him confidence (do the opposite of nolan) and facilitate the decision making process at the end of the season
We might see nate davis if smith totaly sucks for a few games but it will probably be next year
Personaly i'd like to see Hill with the same play calling smith got cos i think we're going nowhere with him he's been a loser for + years now and nothin has changed
Hill got it going with martz cos he could throw, not pretty of course, but he could throw and not making a lot of INT's which is fantastic in the martz system
With a less demanding system smith has already 6 picks
Read my lips : Smith is never (any circumstances or season given) going to lead us to the playoffs and i'm reday to eat my words if i'm false (but that won't happen)
Originally posted by 49Fever:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Now -- before you get excited -- hear me out kids. Yes, indeed, I am sober this morning and thinking somewhat rational thoughts. This is not another "bash Alex" thread nor is it a "I love Shaun's jockstrap" thread.

Call it an "I wonder" thread.

Just got done reading the Barrows report on Coach Singletary's assessment after the game. The line of, "I thought Alex did a good job," caught me off guard. I mean, even the most fervent Alex supporters will admit the dude simply has not performed the way they think he can. They keep waiting for the light to snap on.

But when I see that line of "I think Alex did a good job," man I'm wondering if Singletary is watching the same game I am. To me -- it's akin to Singletary uttering the line of "Hill has the strongest arm in all of NFL football." Many of you would sit up and say, "what?" Is he watching the same QB I'm watching?

There is absolutely NO MENTION of inserting Hill back into the lineup, which leads me to believe that it's probably not going to happen. It's like the man has fallen off the charts or something. Singletary has made it clear that he's going with Alex -- come He** or high water.

Now -- I understand that Hill is not going to lead us to the promised land. But the man still delivered three wins. He won an open QB competition in camp and was installed as the clear #1 to start the season.

In the space of less than eight games -- he went from clear #1 to not even so much as a mention. To me? That's seems strange. It just doesn't smell right.

Which makes me wonder.... What -- if anything -- did he do wrong? He's been awfully quiet lately. No Hill quotes that I've seen.

Am I dreaming? Or is there smoke there?

i think the explanation is quite simple :
sing has seen Hill play for 14 games in a row (almost a season with a 8-6 record) and decided he wasn't the QB to lead us to the playoffs after two bad games (falcons, texans although the first one is a complete team failure so you should count one)
Now he wants to see if alex is the one and give him a fair chance that probably means starts for the remainder of the season, support him thru the media to give him confidence (do the opposite of nolan) and facilitate the decision making process at the end of the season
We might see nate davis if smith totaly sucks for a few games but it will probably be next year
Personaly i'd like to see Hill with the same play calling smith got cos i think we're going nowhere with him he's been a loser for + years now and nothin has changed
Hill got it going with martz cos he could throw, not pretty of course, but he could throw and not making a lot of INT's which is fantastic in the martz system
With a less demanding system smith has already 6 picks
Read my lips : Smith is never (any circumstances or season given) going to lead us to the playoffs and i'm reday to eat my words if i'm false (but that won't happen)

Plain and simple, not going to happen because Hill cannot make the throws for those plays to be called. His throws hang up in the air for so long Mark Roman could pick him off. Hill is likely done as a 49er, there isn't one team in the NFL he could start for except maybe Cleveland.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Now -- before you get excited -- hear me out kids. Yes, indeed, I am sober this morning and thinking somewhat rational thoughts. This is not another "bash Alex" thread nor is it a "I love Shaun's jockstrap" thread.

Call it an "I wonder" thread.

Just got done reading the Barrows report on Coach Singletary's assessment after the game. The line of, "I thought Alex did a good job," caught me off guard. I mean, even the most fervent Alex supporters will admit the dude simply has not performed the way they think he can. They keep waiting for the light to snap on.

But when I see that line of "I think Alex did a good job," man I'm wondering if Singletary is watching the same game I am. To me -- it's akin to Singletary uttering the line of "Hill has the strongest arm in all of NFL football." Many of you would sit up and say, "what?" Is he watching the same QB I'm watching?

There is absolutely NO MENTION of inserting Hill back into the lineup, which leads me to believe that it's probably not going to happen. It's like the man has fallen off the charts or something. Singletary has made it clear that he's going with Alex -- come He** or high water.

Now -- I understand that Hill is not going to lead us to the promised land. But the man still delivered three wins. He won an open QB competition in camp and was installed as the clear #1 to start the season.

In the space of less than eight games -- he went from clear #1 to not even so much as a mention. To me? That's seems strange. It just doesn't smell right.

Which makes me wonder.... What -- if anything -- did he do wrong? He's been awfully quiet lately. No Hill quotes that I've seen.

Am I dreaming? Or is there smoke there?

Defenses stack the box on Hill because they know what passes he can and cannot make, hill cannot get the ball down the field . Smith can and is better on his feet to escape getting sacked with this joke we call an OL . When the 49ers spread them out it gives Gore better run lanes , with Hill in there gore gets smashed and will be on the bench hurt again .
Originally posted by 49Fever:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Now -- before you get excited -- hear me out kids. Yes, indeed, I am sober this morning and thinking somewhat rational thoughts. This is not another "bash Alex" thread nor is it a "I love Shaun's jockstrap" thread.

Call it an "I wonder" thread.

Just got done reading the Barrows report on Coach Singletary's assessment after the game. The line of, "I thought Alex did a good job," caught me off guard. I mean, even the most fervent Alex supporters will admit the dude simply has not performed the way they think he can. They keep waiting for the light to snap on.

But when I see that line of "I think Alex did a good job," man I'm wondering if Singletary is watching the same game I am. To me -- it's akin to Singletary uttering the line of "Hill has the strongest arm in all of NFL football." Many of you would sit up and say, "what?" Is he watching the same QB I'm watching?

There is absolutely NO MENTION of inserting Hill back into the lineup, which leads me to believe that it's probably not going to happen. It's like the man has fallen off the charts or something. Singletary has made it clear that he's going with Alex -- come He** or high water.

Now -- I understand that Hill is not going to lead us to the promised land. But the man still delivered three wins. He won an open QB competition in camp and was installed as the clear #1 to start the season.

In the space of less than eight games -- he went from clear #1 to not even so much as a mention. To me? That's seems strange. It just doesn't smell right.

Which makes me wonder.... What -- if anything -- did he do wrong? He's been awfully quiet lately. No Hill quotes that I've seen.

Am I dreaming? Or is there smoke there?

i think the explanation is quite simple :
sing has seen Hill play for 14 games in a row (almost a season with a 8-6 record) and decided he wasn't the QB to lead us to the playoffs after two bad games (falcons, texans although the first one is a complete team failure so you should count one)
Now he wants to see if alex is the one and give him a fair chance that probably means starts for the remainder of the season, support him thru the media to give him confidence (do the opposite of nolan) and facilitate the decision making process at the end of the season
We might see nate davis if smith totaly sucks for a few games but it will probably be next year
Personaly i'd like to see Hill with the same play calling smith got cos i think we're going nowhere with him he's been a loser for + years now and nothin has changed
Hill got it going with martz cos he could throw, not pretty of course, but he could throw and not making a lot of INT's which is fantastic in the martz system
With a less demanding system smith has already 6 picks
Read my lips : Smith is never (any circumstances or season given) going to lead us to the playoffs and i'm reday to eat my words if i'm false (but that won't happen)

Do you want some salt with those words ?