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Well despite the W, I sure as heck do not see us winning 10 games.

It was an ugly win, we had a chance to take control of the game and we never did and again made it way to close and put oursevles in a posistion to lose. It's nice to get a W and it should boost team morale but this team is not all that good and has a lot of work ahead of them and by ahead of them I mean the off-season. This is not a playoff team.

Offense- Alex Smith started well and I like the way opened up again and the playcalling by Raye but what happend, Alex threw an INT and went into a shell. I have always been an Alex Smith supporter and we still have 7 games to really judge him and eveluate him but man I just don't know if he has the mental toughness to be an NFL starting QB. He really started to play poorly after the INT and I think Sing and Raye saw that and they totally went conservative because they did not want to put the game in Alex Smith's hands.

Our offensive line is a problem and Alex did not have much time to throw but I don't know I did not get a good feeling about him after this game and I defended him the last game and I thought he played well vs Indy and Houston. We'll see, we got 7 games to evaluate him. I think we did find something running the ball out of the shotgun in the spread. We clearly run it better out of the shotgun than in IForm. Frank Gore is a GREAT player, can't say enough about that guy. How about MRob with two big 1st downs. I thought Barry Sims played pretty well once again though Snyder countinues to struggle. I wonder do we move Sims to RT when Staley comes back? I know Sims plays better as a LT but man Snyder really sucks at RT.

I thought the Bears would go all out to stop Vernon Davis and I think they did just that and they pretty much succeeded. Crabtree once again had a nice 1st half but was pretty much ignored in the 2nd half. The kid is a player and he is going to be a good one but you can see why there is questions about his deep speed. Morgan stepped up tonight and played a solid game.


Defense- Our defense continues to play at a high level and tonight giving us 5 turnovers, I mean you could not expect much more. Not sure why went so soft late in the game, maybe they wanted Cutler in the redzone where he struggles but they made it way to interesting. Our D-Line continues to play great and Manny Lawson had a very good game tonight. How about Matt Wilhelm coming in replacing Spikes and playing a nice game. Our secondary made plays and did a good. Tarrell Brown is a player.


Well its nice to get a W but man we just don't know how to put teams away and take control of games. We need to improve this O-Line in the off-season, RT, LG, C and possibly RG though im not giving up on Rachal and he made some nice blocks tonight. We also may need a QB, these next few games will tell us a lot about Alex Smith. We have a playoff defense and if we ever add a real good pass rushing OLB, we will have a GREAT defense.

A win's a win, but I can't say this team is going 10-6, I think more like 8-8. Still, im going to enjoy this W.

[ Edited by PatrickJira411 on Nov 12, 2009 at 21:29:21 ]
Oh and special teams coverage units are one of the league's best but man our PR posistion is awful, terrible, pathetic!!!
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.


lmao this forum is f**king crazy
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Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.




Im going to go back and watch the game tomorrow but from what I remember, after the first INT we still were pretty aggressive on offense but Alex Smith was just either not making good throws or holding on to the ball to long.
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.


lmao this forum is f**king crazy



It sure is. Either we are all on drugs or need to be

Member Milestone: This is post number 200 for quatic.
1 game at a time....
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.




Im going to go back and watch the game tomorrow but from what I remember, after the first INT we still were pretty aggressive on offense but Alex Smith was just either not making good throws or holding on to the ball to long.

Let me invite you to do something that I did to our game last week. Pull out a stop watch and time from snap to the breakdown of the pocket how much time Alex Smith has, and last week 87% of the tme we gave up pressure before the NFL standard of 5 seconds. Meaning we only sucessfully protected our QB 13% of the time. People on this board seem to think holding onto the ball for 3 seconds is to long when in reality that is the bare min of time u want to give the QB even for a hot route. Go realy watch the game and break it down and u will see the playcalling was horrible and I bet we didn't even give Alex the NFL standard of 5 seconds 10% of his dropbacks today and gave up pressure in under 3 on over 50% of dropbacks.
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.


lmao this forum is f**king crazy

Now the QB was put in a bad position because it was third and long? That's what everyone was saying about Hill but it was all because he couldn't throw it 20 yards.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.




Im going to go back and watch the game tomorrow but from what I remember, after the first INT we still were pretty aggressive on offense but Alex Smith was just either not making good throws or holding on to the ball to long.

Let me invite you to do something that I did to our game last week. Pull out a stop watch and time from snap to the breakdown of the pocket how much time Alex Smith has, and last week 87% of the tme we gave up pressure before the NFL standard of 5 seconds. Meaning we only sucessfully protected our QB 13% of the time. People on this board seem to think holding onto the ball for 3 seconds is to long when in reality that is the bare min of time u want to give the QB even for a hot route. Go realy watch the game and break it down and u will see the playcalling was horrible and I bet we didn't even give Alex the NFL standard of 5 seconds 10% of his dropbacks today and gave up pressure in under 3 on over 50% of dropbacks.


I will, Ill ask Singletary to use his stopwatch. You probably have a good point, I will do that tomorrow when I watch the game again. I know Alex does not have much time but it did seem like a few times he had a chance to get rid of the ball and he did not.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.


lmao this forum is f**king crazy

Now the QB was put in a bad position because it was third and long? That's what everyone was saying about Hill but it was all because he couldn't throw it 20 yards.

The difference is that Alex Smith opens your field up and forces the defense to defend everywhere, even u one of the most narrowsighted posters here has to admit teams can not and do not stack the box against us like they did with Hill bc they have to respect Alex's arm.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Method:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
I am very interested to see how exactly, Alex Smith went into a shell after the INT? How is the playcalling his fault? I mean seriously, I feel like I am taking crazy pills, there are so many people putting stuff on Alex. There was one thing on Alex this game and that was the pick. Btw to everyone who keeps saying "it was man coverage" you are an idiot, it wasn't man coverage, it was a Cover 3 with safety help over the top which normally dictates a backshoulder throw, but that being said I will still put the pick on Alex. But after that point the OC gave Alex no calls except on 3rd and long with the defensive coverage is setup to stop him and the Dlinemen have theirs ears pinned back against a horrible O-line. I mean really, I have no idea what you people are talking about A. Smith going into a shell? Get real people the first drive Alex looks great, he looks solid, until the pick and then the OC hides under a rock so lets blame Alex get real, and use your brains, please. Seriously, please.


lmao this forum is f**king crazy

Now the QB was put in a bad position because it was third and long? That's what everyone was saying about Hill but it was all because he couldn't throw it 20 yards.

The difference is that Alex Smith opens your field up and forces the defense to defend everywhere, even u one of the most narrowsighted posters here has to admit teams can not and do not stack the box against us like they did with Hill bc they have to respect Alex's arm.


That I agree with 100%
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I was reminded of what Steve Young said on Ralph and Tom on KNBR this week, when asked about the short week. He said "both teams will probably come out sloppy. But if you can somehow just gut this one out and get the win, that gives you so much confidence going into almost an extra bye week." This team gutted this out. They will draw from this game for the rest of the season I think, because they didn't give up. They fought, scratched and clawed their way through, and I think they needed this kind of game to pull out of the slump.

You know what else happened? The breaks started to go our way. The ball started bouncing to OUR guys, instead of someone else. The ball that Smith had tipped right in front of him, and it falls to the ground. That fumble by Gore, Morgan is right there to recover. Every time our team screwed up, the Bears screwed up. 10 Bear penalties for 75 yards, 9 49er penalties for 77 yards.

I am MORTIFIED by the STUPID PENALTIES, and they happened ALL GAME LONG. Vernon Davis should no longer be allowed to open his mouth. Part of the maturation process, I guess. There were so many stupid mental mistakes in this game, and I think the only ones that didn't make any stupid ones were Frank Gore, Alex Smith, Patrick Willis, Matt Wilhelm, and the D-line. And how about Matt Wilhelm? He comes in to relieve Takeo Spikes and just plays a monster game! That dude was fired up, and you could see him try to get the other guys as fired up as he was.

As far as mistakes go, you had Morgan and Davis with the false starts again, you had Crabtree stumbling on the deep ball, Morgan just falling down on an out route on 3rd and 8, Davis opening his big fat mouth... sigh.

Our offensive line played some putrid frickin' football tonight. Gore ran for 104 yards, and I think that is important. But Vernon Davis must have really pissed off the Bears because they were rushing the passer like it was 1985. Smith had precious little time in the pocket, and our recievers couldn't get separation for most of the game. When they did, Smith couldn't see them because he was dodging the pass rush. I don't know if it was the short week and they were just tired, but on one early play in particular, Adam Snyder just gets mauled by Ogunleye, and Smith steps up then dodges right. Chilo Rachal had already given up on his man, and before Harris tackles Smith, Rachal just gives him this little half-a**ed shove with the right arm! Just lazy O-line play for most of the game.

However, and this is a BIG however, they stepped it up HUGE in the 4th. When Singletary wanted one good drive out of them, they ran the ball I think 10 of 11 times, and just milked the clock for all it was worth. Of course, the Bears flushed Smith from the pocket and then contained his run, but I think a heads up play on his part to gain a couple yards and keep the clock going since he couldn't find anyone open.

I'd like to point to Crabtree's drop on the very first drive of the game, right inside the 5. If he catches that, I think we get a TD out of it, instead we get a missed FG! A missed FG and a bad punt, how often do those things happen to Joe Nedney and Andy Lee?

One very important thing stood out to me about Alex Smith tonight. After that interception he was over on the sideline bending down talking to someone, and you could just see a change in his eyes and body language. It seemed to me he was trying to generate some confidence in the rest of the guys. His percentage was pretty good, and other than the interception, managed the game in an almost Hill-like fashion.

I appreciate that Jimmy Raye opted to take a shot downfield to Crabtree. I like that Alex Smith threw it to the outside to make sure the safety didn't come over and make a play on it. I don't like that Crabtree stumbled as he turned to look for the ball. As soon as that happened he wasn't in position to make the play.

Above all, I like that he didn't try too hard to make things happen. When he got that pressure down in the redzone and started to slip, instead of throwing it into the field of play, he just chucked it out of bounds. If he's able to keep his feet for a second he has Morgan breaking free. Oh well.

Oh, and thanks to Michael Robinson for the nice concentration. Even though he had the first down, and could have stayed in bounds to keep the clock going, that play right there was the epitome of this team fighting to finish this game.

Jimmy Raye called perhaps his worst game of the season. STOP RUNNING OUT OF THE MORGAN-MOTION-STOP-BEHIND-THE-TIGHT-END FORMATION! Everyone knows that formation means RUN COMING! Gaaah!

I think in this game the team found they have the heart to win. I think this gives them a foundation to build on for the rest of the season. They know they can win. Now they have to just keep going forward.
lmao 10 wins yeah right

try 11
Originally posted by znk916:
lmao 10 wins yeah right

try 11

i like the way u think...but we need to win more than 11 if we r gonna win it all!

[ Edited by quatic on Nov 12, 2009 at 22:44:27 ]