'Spread offense' is 'Only Solution'

Great Article by Glenn Dickey. Basically, he says that there are two types of successful coaches: Those that come in with a philosophy and get the players to run that system. And there are coaches who adapt to their team.

According to Dickey, it looks like Sing falls into the second camp. He then goes on to lay out all the reason the spread is perfect for the 49ers:

1. QB w/ a history in the Spread
2. Poor pass protection. Easier to make quick reads out of the spread.
3. Poor run blocking. RBs have more room when running out of the spread -- Gore had a great game (5.5yds/carry)
4. Emergence of Crabtree and Hill to compliment Davis
5. What've you go to lose??? You're 3-5. Better find a way to win....fast.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Spread-offense-is-the-only-solution-for-Niners-69634437.html

Lynch says the same thing:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=51097

Good info. Glad the 49ers are choosing to use the weapons they have.

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Great Article by Glenn Dickey. Basically, he says that there are two types of successful coaches: Those that come in with a philosophy and get the players to run that system. And there are coaches who adapt to their team.

According to Dickey, it looks like Sing falls into the second camp. He then goes on to lay out all the reason the spread is perfect for the 49ers:

1. QB w/ a history in the Spread
2. Poor pass protection. Easier to make quick reads out of the spread.
3. Poor run blocking. RBs have more room when running out of the spread -- Gore had a great game (5.5yds/carry)
4. Emergence of Crabtree and Hill to compliment Davis
5. What've you go to lose??? You're 3-5. Better find a way to win....fast.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Spread-offense-is-the-only-solution-for-Niners-69634437.html

Lynch says the same thing:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=51097

I like the reasoning except for #5. That's a pathetic reason to do it. It's almost like giving up.

great idea. lets put smith in the shotgun more often than not so passrushers can get use to him being in the same spot. yup make it happen. without consistent Oline play its not going to matter who they put back there, theyre going to end up road kill anyway.

theyll put up some points probably not enough but theyll score

Originally posted by Allx9er:
great idea. lets put smith in the shotgun more often than not so passrushers can get use to him being in the same spot. yup make it happen. without consistent Oline play its not going to matter who they put back there, theyre going to end up road kill anyway.

theyll put up some points probably not enough but theyll score

your argument doesn't make much sense. read reason number 2. smith is more comfortable in a spread offense. he can read the defense better, and get the ball out quicker. we would not have to worry about the OL holding their blocks for a longer time. just because he is in shotgun, doesn't mean we will throw 100% of the time. screens, draws and the likes will keep the defense somewhat honest.

Originally posted by Digger25:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
great idea. lets put smith in the shotgun more often than not so passrushers can get use to him being in the same spot. yup make it happen. without consistent Oline play its not going to matter who they put back there, theyre going to end up road kill anyway.

theyll put up some points probably not enough but theyll score

your argument doesn't make much sense. read reason number 2. smith is more comfortable in a spread offense. he can read the defense better, and get the ball out quicker. we would not have to worry about the OL holding their blocks for a longer time. just because he is in shotgun, doesn't mean we will throw 100% of the time. screens, draws and the likes will keep the defense somewhat honest.

do you really think it going to work out like that?

They should allow Smith to call his own plays in a hurry up/pressure situation, He seems to play pretty well when he calls his own plays...

[ Edited by 49ersMan420 on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12:13 ]

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Great Article by Glenn Dickey. Basically, he says that there are two types of successful coaches: Those that come in with a philosophy and get the players to run that system. And there are coaches who adapt to their team.

According to Dickey, it looks like Sing falls into the second camp. He then goes on to lay out all the reason the spread is perfect for the 49ers:

1. QB w/ a history in the Spread
2. Poor pass protection. Easier to make quick reads out of the spread.
3. Poor run blocking. RBs have more room when running out of the spread -- Gore had a great game (5.5yds/carry)
4. Emergence of Crabtree and Hill to compliment Davis
5. What've you go to lose??? You're 3-5. Better find a way to win....fast.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Spread-offense-is-the-only-solution-for-Niners-69634437.html

Lynch says the same thing:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?&entry_id=51097

I like the reasoning except for #5. That's a pathetic reason to do it. It's almost like giving up.

#5 would be pathetic if points 1-4 were not on the money.

If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

[ Edited by MadMartz on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:15:43 ]

Originally posted by MadMartz:
If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

for real! When was the last time we sent a WR on a fly pattern and just threw a bomb?? I honestly can't remember.

Originally posted by Allx9er:

Originally posted by Digger25:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
great idea. lets put smith in the shotgun more often than not so passrushers can get use to him being in the same spot. yup make it happen. without consistent Oline play its not going to matter who they put back there, theyre going to end up road kill anyway.

theyll put up some points probably not enough but theyll score

your argument doesn't make much sense. read reason number 2. smith is more comfortable in a spread offense. he can read the defense better, and get the ball out quicker. we would not have to worry about the OL holding their blocks for a longer time. just because he is in shotgun, doesn't mean we will throw 100% of the time. screens, draws and the likes will keep the defense somewhat honest.

do you really think it going to work out like that?

work out like what? like peyyton and the colts? no! but i can say that it is worth a shot and it plays to alex's strengths. most importantly (IMHO) it may help our horrible OL play. less time to hold blocks-you know? i can't say that it'll work wonders like some magic snake oil sold at carnivals, but why not try and see what happens.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by MadMartz:
If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

for real! When was the last time we sent a WR on a fly pattern and just threw a bomb?? I honestly can't remember.

I honestly cant remember either. We havent done it once this year that I can remember.

[ Edited by MadMartz on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:21:04 ]

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by MadMartz:
If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

for real! When was the last time we sent a WR on a fly pattern and just threw a bomb?? I honestly can't remember.

The last successfull one was week one vs Arizona with Issac Bruce the recipient from Shaun Hill.

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by MadMartz:
If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

for real! When was the last time we sent a WR on a fly pattern and just threw a bomb?? I honestly can't remember.

The last successfull one was week one vs Arizona with Issac Bruce the recipient from Shaun Hill.

ahhh yes, I remember it well. Dont know if the dropped TD by morgan qualifies as a bomb. That was more recent.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by MadMartz:
If we spread it out we need to start throwing deep. We dont take enough shots down the field with go routes as much as id like to see. Nothing can change a defense faster than a couple 50 yd bombs down the field. Even if they are incomplete it still sends a message and backs them up a lil. That in turn helps open up the short to intermediate passing game and the run.

for real! When was the last time we sent a WR on a fly pattern and just threw a bomb?? I honestly can't remember.

The last successfull one was week one vs Arizona with Issac Bruce the recipient from Shaun Hill.

ahhh yes, I remember it well. Dont know if the dropped TD by morgan qualifies as a bomb. That was more recent.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091309/2009/REG1/49ers@cardinals/recap#tab:watch

[ Edited by MadMartz on Nov 11, 2009 at 10:29:58 ]