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The 49ers Are STILL a Team in Transition - DEAL WITH IT

Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by DrE_DiESeL97:
Originally posted by ninertico:
C'mon Dre, it's Coach's first year...we should be undefeated!!!

I totally agree!!!!

However, understanding and vision will be hard to grow in this garden.

JUST DOING MY PART TO SUPPORT MY TEAM!

I always hope that they can achieve beyond their means for an optimistic appraisal of a given year especially this one. Well, we have some pieces that seem to get us to a certain level reaching, but oh so close...soooooooo close, huh?

I am looking forward to see how this extraordinary recipe for success turns out...right now the chef needs just a lil more time which will be worth the delicacy of championships served before us.

Any great recipe takes time to get right...any chef knows that...



As much as i dislike the b**ching, moaning and groaning....i gotta admit it's what makes the 49erswebzone very entertaining!!!!
DEAL with the fact that we are easily contenders, with some bad injuries/breaks. Minn was a clear example of that WITHOUT GORE (deal with that), IND was another clear example of that WITHOUT LT, RT wow. HOU (with a backup wr dropping a punt who had no business being back there...Can you deal with that?).

We have proven we can hang with the best teams in the nfl...not only HANG BUT HAVE THE LEAD, and almost win with injuries AWAY without the home field advantage.

So those are the facts, and we are ready to play MINN AND IND again, ARIZ (who we handled by the way) and not only compete, but have the lead WITH injuries (and they were healthy) and almost win.
This is a 10 YEARS REBUILD. It's still on schedule. And 27 year old Jed York has got it all figured out. He's got the experience.
Originally posted by DrE_DiESeL97:
When was the last time a 49er team this decade was in a position to win games against a former Super Bowl champion like the Indianapolis Colts or a current favorite like the Minnesota Vikings?

All this Alex sucks stuff and fire the GM and Coach Sing is crazy threads won't earn your team a WIN at all.

The offensive line play has been poor and Alex Smith has made some bone headed decisions, but they're finally putting points up on the board and moving the ball down the field like a PROFESSIONAL football team.

The pass rush is no doubt bi-polar and injuries have shredded the secondary. The deck is stacked even higher and the San Francisco 49ers need to learn to finish games WITH THE LEAD and not shoot themselves in the foot, as what happened during this losing streak.

They're still crawling and not in the "walking phase" or "running phase" yet.

They are still a 7-9 team until they prove OTHERWISE.
amen
I've been a diehard fan for over 50 years, many of them great, some not so great. I think I speak for a lot of other fans when I say we're tired of being a team in transition. This forum contains many views...and that's what makes it compelling. I don't agree with a lot of what's written, but I respect the writer's freedom to write it. I'm also sure many don't agree with what I write, and that's absolutely fine with me.

Now, as for this team we all follow, close but no cigar gets you no respect in the NFL, which is why it's often referred to as "not for long". I respect many of the things Mike Nolan brought to the team, for he inherited a real big mess. The talent level has steadily improved...we're not where we need to be yet, but it's getting better. When Nolan was fired, I approved, for I felt he'd somehow lost the team, or at least the ability to motivate them to get better. In came Singletary...and like most Niner fans I was impressed by his fire, passion, and commitment to get his team back to respectability. I still am...however, at this point I'm just not sure that's going to be enough to return the Niners to being a playoff team. I like the words Singletary says...with conviction. But, words aren't enough...they have to be translated into deeds on the field. As you look around the league, the most successful teams have top-flight QB's. I really hope Alex can develop into one, but I have to admit, I'm still not sure it's in him. Hope's a funny thing...it can help you believe something positive's going to happen, but it can also backfire and leave you feeling deflated when things don't go as you'd hoped. I love this team...have for more than 50 years as I said at the outset. But, I've learned to be a realist...and I just don't see this as a playoff team. I like the thought we could be, but 'til our guys go out there and prove it on the field, it's simply just a thought. I believe we need a change in leadership...GM, head coach, the whole nine yards if the goal is to win now. If it's not, and fans are satisfied to continue with the team in transition, then so be it. Not me, I'm tired of mediocrity...because with smarter player acquisitions, better drafts, better coaching, and yes, some better players, we can win now.
I have no problem with giving Singletary till the end of next year to really show some valid improvements.

However, if Mike Holmgren is available to become the GM and Norv Turner or someone who knows how to work with quarterbacks becomes available, I would suggest that young Jeb York grabs them.

Jimmy Raye may know the running game, but I doubt that he knows a lot about the passing game and specifically how to develop a quarterback.

Everyone saw the improvements that Norv Turner made with Alex Smith in just the one year that he was around. But when he left Smith regressed and I seriously doubt that Raye can really make a difference in the further development of Alex Smith. So what further improvements Alex makes will mostly be on his shoulders and experience.

Yes they can draft another potential super quarterback next year, but without a good coach to guide them ... it could be another wasted talent.
Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Thank you....everybody seems so upset....but at the beginning of the year it was clear to me we where a 7-9 to 10-6 team give or take a game......but we will be much better next year with another for the players to Gel and build some consitancy.

the annoying part is that we say this every year

'this 49er team needs one more year to rebuild and we'll be a top 10 team"

the reason people get so upset so quickly is that we SHOULD be past the rebuilding stage, but we haven't moved forward ONE BIT in the last 5 years.
Originally posted by DrE_DiESeL97:
When was the last time a 49er team this decade was in a position to win games against a former Super Bowl champion like the Indianapolis Colts or a current favorite like the Minnesota Vikings?

All this Alex sucks stuff and fire the GM and Coach Sing is crazy threads won't earn your team a WIN at all.

The offensive line play has been poor and Alex Smith has made some bone headed decisions, but they're finally putting points up on the board and moving the ball down the field like a PROFESSIONAL football team.

The pass rush is no doubt bi-polar and injuries have shredded the secondary. The deck is stacked even higher and the San Francisco 49ers need to learn to finish games WITH THE LEAD and not shoot themselves in the foot, as what happened during this losing streak.

They're still crawling and not in the "walking phase" or "running phase" yet.

They are still a 7-9 team until they prove OTHERWISE.

Originally posted by DrE_DiESeL97:
Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Originally posted by:
Yeah this is a team in transition. Eternal transition. Chalk that up to another lame excuse by the naive homer fans. Five years after hitting rock bottom this team is still getting outplayed and making dumbass mistakes week after week and losing games. If some of you want to be like sheep and accept it, fine. Go right ahead. But don't expect the entire fan base to be satisfied with the results on the field. Some of us have a higher standard and are fed up with 7 straight seasons of losing football. Close losses against better teams are still losses. Good teams win close games, bad teams lose close games. After 6 years of so-called transition we still only have moral victories to celebrate.

Bill Walsh's team took a COUPLE of years before anything started to work.


Thank you and well said. With understanding fans like you guys sure made changing coaching staffs easier.
A couple of things.....we are playing better, but I agree with some of the posters we need to win but think about what we are dealing with.

Pashos gone for the year and Staley out five to six more weeks. And the line was playing bad before they went down. Expect some major changes to the line next season. They should go out a spend the money in the Free Agent Market and finally shore up the line for good.

Crabtree not being signed until the 5th game. It sucks that he listened to his idiot agent, but he did but I think we have found a player. He should continue to get better until the end of the season. Definite bright spot.

Finding out Shaun Hill isn't the guy. The OC tailored the offense to our supposed strengths but Defenses adjusted and we went to Alex Smith. Well we figured out what Shaun has, now it's time for Smith. I don't think you can play Nate Davis unless we are blowing someone out. I would rather figure out Alex. The jury is still out on him. He has shown glimpses of being a top notch QB, but also glimpses of the old alex and staring down recievers and making some questionable throws. But we got to give him more time.

THE FACTS

We played Minnesota and Indy as tough as any teams in the nfl and they may be the two best teams in the NFL. We are a young team trying to forge an identity and have some continuity (Five Offensive Coordinators in Five years). I think if we don't make the playoff (I know it will be really tough to make them) Singletary and Raye still get another year. However Scott might be on the Hotseat. I think he will probably get one more draft, but he needs to find some Home Runs in the draft and Free Agency.

THE POSITIVES

Vernon Davis - HELLO....Vernon is a PLAYA, he's a force on the team. His hands are 95% reliable.....and he still has some lapses (Offsides a lot) but he is legit.

Aubrayo Franklin - The Guy can ball. I thought we were going to be weak up the middle but he is getting respect around the league. Great Nolan pick up.

Justin Smith - Total Stud.....let's get another guy like him (Seymour would have been great.)

P-Willis - Nothing needs to be said.....BEST LB in the NFL....get some more weapons on D, and he becomes really sick.

F. Gore - Stud Rb.....but we need a Chris Johnson burner back....Scott has not been able to get us speed. I think the Raiders overestimate speed, but I think Scott needs to find a compliment gamebreaker. Chris Johnson was the difference for the Titans. I have to watch CJ Spiller more but it would be hard to take him in the 1st round.

Jason Hill - I think he made a statement on Sunday, I don't see how you can't keep him out of the line up. Also he was running scout team a lot with Alex so they may have better Chemistry. And yes, less playing time for Bruce.

NEEDS


A SAFETY - Maybe the biggest change in the offseason. We really need to upgrade our play there and have the "Ed Reed" or the "Ronnie Lott" or "Troy Palomalu".....that makes the differrence. I think we are getting Mays now can he elevate his game to his Physical skills?

Another Pass Rush Specialist someone to line up with Justin Smith on 3rd Down. Ray has looked nice, but we want more.

They are making it really hard on themselves, but they can still right the ship, but they need to beat the teams they can beat, and all of the teams are beatable for the next eight games. GO NINERS!!!!
  • WolfStryker
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It is ridiculous to say we have made no progress in 5 years. We used to be a team full of players that, once Nolan came in and got rid of them, are NO LONGER IN THE LEAGUE.

Now we have a handful of players that are among the tops at their positions. Yes, we still have a lot of holes, we still lose games we think we should win, but 5 years ago we couldn't have put up 27 pts against ANYONE, I don't care how bad the defense.

When someone screws up a team as bad as the former admin did, it's gonna take time. But we are heading --- slowly --- in the right direction.

Look on the bright side, we could be the Raiders! No light at the end of THAT tunnel!
This is professional sports. It's either win or lose. You don't get credit for almost beating someone. This isn't T-Ball with your little kid. Some people get more upset when their team loses than other people do. It doesn't mean they are any less a fan of the team. You don't have to like everything the team does. I don't like every player on the team. I don't root against them. I don't want them to fail. They usually do that on their own.
I truly hope Singletary can lead our team back to the playoffs...I just don't see it this season. Getting off to a great start fueled our hopes...which have been quickly extinguished, or at least diminished. Normally, I'd be willing to give Coach 2-3 years to make his mark, but when I know there are proven winners out there...Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, etc. I just think how great it'd be to make a bold move and hire one of the top guys with a matching GM. That used to be the standard in SF...and we need to get back to that. The York's will simply have to go against their grain and do something that'll shake things up on a totally positive way. I'm tired of mediocrity...and being a team in transition. It's time for boldness!
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Originally posted by DrE_DiESeL97:
Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Yeah this is a team in transition. Eternal transition. Chalk that up to another lame excuse by the naive homer fans. Five years after hitting rock bottom this team is still getting outplayed and making dumbass mistakes week after week and losing games. If some of you want to be like sheep and accept it, fine. Go right ahead. But don't expect the entire fan base to be satisfied with the results on the field. Some of us have a higher standard and are fed up with 7 straight seasons of losing football. Close losses against better teams are still losses. Good teams win close games, bad teams lose close games. After 6 years of so-called transition we still only have moral victories to celebrate.

Bill Walsh's team took a COUPLE of years before anything started to work.

I'm sorry but Bill Walsh ran circles around Singletary in every aspect of coaching. Even in motivating the team. Comparing Singletary to Walsh is down right delusional. By his second year Walsh's team was showing flashes. Singletary's team has regressed since his interim first year.

Walsh could actually call plays...when was the last time you saw sing with a playsheet??



And this is the problem with Sing, he is not a coach really. He has never been a coordinator and he has to rely on his assistants for scheming and such and he is as strong as his choices and they have not been good. Raye, come on....really?

The great coaches have the ability to determine the schemes and are strong on the Xs and Os. Belicheck, for instance, is involved in the schemes, heavily, on both sides of the ball. You get the feeling that Sing told Ray at the start of the season RUN THE BALL....then later on he said, well I guess you can pass more.
  • mayo49
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We are a 6-10, 7-9 team until otherwise proven.

[ Edited by mayo63 on Nov 10, 2009 at 05:54:51 ]