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When will this all end?

Sick of all the negativity....

We have most of the pieces we need to win. Here is what I have been encouraged by:

1. V. Davis and Crabtree complement each other very well. Defenses seem to only be able to cover one of them well. If Crabtree is the focus, then VD has a huge day... if VD is the focus then Crabtree has a huge day. That is something we have not had in 10 years!

2. He is getting a lot of heat, but Alex has played well. The two ints off of tipped balls were not Smiths fault. The fumble wasn't all on him either. Anytime you have a banged up OL and pass 45 times a game there are going to be some problems. But Smith was fairly accurate, hitting 65% of his passes... many of them were quite long. He CAN be a high quality QB.

3. The defense has great potential. Holding Indy to 18 points last week was truly impressive.

Here is how we can fix this team and become playoff contenders in one year:

1. Spend two of our top 3 picks on offensive linemen. OL's drafted early can usually contribute right away. Draft a RT in round one. Pick up a guard in round 2-3. And target the top OL free agents. We need to clean house on the OL. Staley and Heitman are the only two we should for sure keep around.

2. Aquire at least 1-2 disruptive players in the draft or FA. We have a young offense that is bound to make mistakes and turn the ball over from time to time. We need defenders that can force the opposing team to do the same. We need a ball hawk safety that will read the QB and jump the routes. We also need a DL who can get in the QBs face consistently.

Thats it. We don't need a new QB. We don't need a new offensive coordinator. Raye and Singletary are right... we need to be able to play a balanced offense. Today should be proof of that.
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So many teams turn it around very quickly but it seems like the niners can't turn it around in 7 yrs

Agreed. Teams are getting better and worse every year, but we've just stayed the same.

yeah, we have stayed the same, garbage. it's been a long time, and most of us really thought it was gonna be different this year. this isn't being negative, it's the damn truth. niner fans deserve better than this s8it every year.
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So many teams turn it around very quickly but it seems like the niners can't turn it around in 7 yrs

Agreed. Teams are getting better and worse every year, but we've just stayed the same.

yeah, we have stayed the same, garbage. it's been a long time, and most of us really thought it was gonna be different this year. this isn't being negative, it's the damn truth. niner fans deserve better than this s8it every year.

This is what happens when you stick to developing talent through the draft when you essentially can't develop nor draft. We need more F/A moves...most of our best players have come from F/A, we've shown we don't know what we're doing with rookies...
It'll end when a Bay Area team wins it all. A chain reaction will occur, mark my words.

[ Edited by blunt_probe on Nov 8, 2009 at 23:15:38 ]
When the YORKIES die or sell the team.
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So many teams turn it around very quickly but it seems like the niners can't turn it around in 7 yrs

The teams who turn it around do so because they obtain a quarterback. That is no secret.

We haven't had a quarterback in seven years, so we get this result.

People used to think Atlanta had bad receivers and O-line, then Ryan comes and "abra-cadabra", magically they become good players overnight.

Same thing with Minnesota, all of a sudden Sidney Rice is a good receiver.

Its all about the quarterback.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So many teams turn it around very quickly but it seems like the niners can't turn it around in 7 yrs

The teams who turn it around do so because they obtain a quarterback. That is no secret.

We haven't had a quarterback in seven years, so we get this result.

People used to think Atlanta had bad receivers and O-line, then Ryan comes and "abra-cadabra", magically they become good players overnight.

Same thing with Minnesota, all of a sudden Sidney Rice is a good receiver.

Its all about the quarterback.

O LINE matters a lot too. And we have one of the worst ones.
When Jed York realizes Singletary/Raye can't provide the offensive direction and identity our team needs. I hope it's after this season, which is heading right down the tubes. York tried to ride the emotion of extending Singletary...but as this season's gone on, it's becoming clearer that we're floundering in large part because the offense isn't good enough. We don't have the personnel to play smash-mouth football consistently...the strength of the offense is in the receiving corps, specifically Crabtree, Jason Hill, and Brandon Jones (the fact he's not had a legit receiving opportunity only reinforces that Singletary/Raye don't recognize the right talent), and most emphatically, Vernon. I still don't get why Walker rarely sees the ball...another head scratcher. The answer: Mike Shanahan. He will give the O clear direction and will provide the coaching, players, and schemes to succeed. Yes, it's yet another head coaching/OC change...but one I feel will pay off long-term. Shanahan's a proven winner...and has the kind of offensive mind we haven't seen since...well, let's just say it's been a looong time.
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
When Jed York realizes Singletary/Raye can't provide the offensive direction and identity our team needs. I hope it's after this season, which is heading right down the tubes. York tried to ride the emotion of extending Singletary...but as this season's gone on, it's becoming clearer that we're floundering in large part because the offense isn't good enough. We don't have the personnel to play smash-mouth football consistently...the strength of the offense is in the receiving corps, specifically Crabtree, Jason Hill, and Brandon Jones (the fact he's not had a legit receiving opportunity only reinforces that Singletary/Raye don't recognize the right talent), and most emphatically, Vernon. I still don't get why Walker rarely sees the ball...another head scratcher. The answer: Mike Shanahan. He will give the O clear direction and will provide the coaching, players, and schemes to succeed. Yes, it's yet another head coaching/OC change...but one I feel will pay off long-term. Shanahan's a proven winner...and has the kind of offensive mind we haven't seen since...well, let's just say it's been a looong time.

I would love to have Shanahan, but honestly, our problems go way beyond HC and OC. The simple truth is that we're a young team on offense that needs some time playing together to gain some experience. Also, the OL is horrendous. Even if we had Bill Walsh, we'd still find ways to lose games. I like Singletary as a HC, but I think he needs help at OC. I don't think Jimmy Raye necessarily did anything wrong this past game. I give him credit for opening it up a bit. Nothing really jumped out at me as horrible this time. Is that really a good thing though? Back in the old days, we outsmarted teams. We had the edge on offense. I think we need a coach who gives us that edge. I don't think Jimmy Raye does that.
I agree with most of what you said...somehow, I'm just not convinced Singletary's the head coach we need. Great leader, yes...but in the NFL, the most successful head coaches are also very smart, savvy guys. I believe part of the reason Coach wasn't able to lure a top OC to SF was because of his limited experience and offensive mindset. Jimmy Raye's a very experienced coach...but he hasn't made the kind of progress needed to tangibly improve the offense. Yes, there've been some good signs...Alex is the best QB we have. He may/may not prove to be the long-term answer, but at least he's getting a chance to show it. Vernon's emergence is a very good thing...but he alone can't carry the passing attack. Crabtree's quick contributions have been great and somewhat unexpected. However, where I see Singletary/Raye's shortfalls is the reluctance to use Jason Hill, Brandon Jones, Walker and even MRob as legit offensive weapons. Hill finally got a chance yesterday...and made an immediate impact. Brandon Jones needs the same opportunity...and my sense is, he'll also contribute. Morgan's had some nice moments, but he's also proven unreliable, having dropped too many key passes.

The OL, which most everyone in this forum agrees isn't good enough, hasn't been addressed adequately. Marvel Smith was a very risky signing...if healthy, he could've really helped solidify the right side, but, he wasn't up to it. Next draft, we have to get at least two top OL. If they don't extend Baas, then maybe three. Another coaching gaffe is Wragge...why hasn't he seen more action? He's proven he can do the job...but, you have to get an opportunity, and he's had precious few. I know Coach wants Rachal to succeed...so do all of us. Snyder's just one of those guys who's biggest value is to be the top reserve. Yet, he's starting. I know the OL's really banged up, but we just don't have the quality depth yet it takes to sustain a high level of play during a long NFL season.

Despite the turnovers yesterday, a legit top defense can limit the damage. You hold the opposition to FG's instead of TD's. We're not there yet on defense, either. DL play has been very good this year...but Haralson's been stinking it up at OLB. We all thought he was going to be our best pass rusher...but he's not getting it done. Coach says he wants to get Brooks on the field more, but doesn't. I don't get it...you've got to be willing to make changes to get as Coach consistently says, the best 11 on the field. Our CB's have mostly done a good job...however, I'm concerned about our S play. ML has been banged up, but when he's been in there, he's made an impact. Still gives up too many passing yds, though. Goldson has been just ok from what I've seen. He's yet to make a real impact...maybe he will, but the sooner the better. Roman's got experience, but still makes too many fundamental mistakes. We can only hope youngsters Reggie Smith and Curtis Taylor can progress quickly. If not, S needs to be a point of emphasis in the draft.

Overall, this has been a frustrating team to watch...oh so close in 3-4 games, but our guys (including coaches) have allowed them to slip away. We won't be a playoff-caliber team 'til they figure that out. I'm just not convinced that'll happen with Singletary running the show, which is precisely why I'm advocating for Shanahan to come in and do his thing.
This season is over, forget the playoffs. Going to the playoffs would be pointless as we would be eliminated early.

The Niners need at least one more good draft, a new OC, QB and to rebuild the O line.