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Open up the offense?

Singletary warned everyone that Alex and the offense was not ready to open it up, as many fans and media members were screaming for.

What happened? Did he cave to the fan/media pressure?

I can understand the fans screaming for the offense to be opened up. The average fan sees a little success, and thinks that means simply by opening up the offense Alex is going to look like he did in Utah again. Not exactly realistic, but hey we're fans, not coaches.

As awful as the offense has been, I think Sing was right all along in that it had to be opened up slowly, and players needed time to adjust to that style. The coaching staff also needed to open it up slowly because they had to have time to see which plays were working for which guys, and allow them to play to their strengths.

I don't want to make this a Sing bash thread, because I think he is a very good leader. I do however think the decision to allow the offense to throw so much today was an example of the coach caving to pressure. I just don't get it!
You can't get better at anything until you try it.
I think it was the right choice.
If we didn't open it up, we'd be sitting here with 50 yards rushing and 14 less points.
Perhaps you could say that we'd have given up less points due to turnovers, but the defense would have spent more time on the field as well.
So I think it was necessary.
yeah...we definitely did open up the offense today and became a passing team.....

45 pass attempts vs. 20 run attempts

I thought the play calling was decent today.

but of course..people here will still blame Raye for "not opening it up"
this has happened before..... don't yall remember when the "FREE ALEX" campaign hit Nolan...hell he even echoed what some of the fans were saying on here...that we needed to "unleash" Alex.....and then we did......same results.
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.
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Originally posted by darkknight49:
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.

I was happy with noodle arm and the conservative play calling...it atleast gave us a chance to win. we aren't talented enough to "open" it up
Alex turned the ball over 4 times. I dont care if some of the balls were tipped in the air. He was staring down his receivers and forcing the football. Smith is 0-6 in his last 6 starts.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
this has happened before..... don't yall remember when the "FREE ALEX" campaign hit Nolan...hell he even echoed what some of the fans were saying on here...that we needed to "unleash" Alex.....and then we did......same results.

Youre correct. The only problem is now we will go back to conservaball. Thats the problem. NO CONTINUITY. Of course players will suck when we finally open up the play book unless we do it MORE often. One or two weeks isnt going to get the desired results like Madden.

I think Kevin Lynch said it best...
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This game really surprised me. I thought Alex Smith would have outplayed Vince Young, but thatclearly didn't happen. The offense is just out of sync. Too many linemen, too many new receivers and new quarterbacks. Say what you will, but I think this team is still better trying to throw. I was talking to Gary Plummer early, who I really respect, and he said he was so stunned how quickly Michael Crabtree has caught on. He said he basically went from the baby stroller to the freeway of the NFL. But now the newness for Crabtree, for Smith, for Jimmy Raye is just catching up with this team. But I also don't believe the answer is to go back to being conservative. They should keep pushing, and keep evolving.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=51239#ixzz0WLSKsGTD


Look bottom line is look at the 2nd quarter. When we play to our players strengths, they do well. Unfortunately, it doesnt happen over night. And it is frustrating. I'm right there with you man. I'm sick of all the excuses and the waiting, rebuilding, etc etc etc etc but we are where we are. We have the players we have. The coaches just need to figure out how to make the MOST of the players we have. We see the best in them when they are spread out and Alex has time to throw. He's not so good when we are bunched up and he has 1 second to throw.

But either way...its make or break and we gotta get it done.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.

I was happy with noodle arm and the conservative play calling...it atleast gave us a chance to win. we aren't talented enough to "open" it up

are you serious? Playing duckball was boring, and frustrating, we never made it anywhere, except the 3 drives per game where hill decided to man up.
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Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.

I was happy with noodle arm and the conservative play calling...it atleast gave us a chance to win. we aren't talented enough to "open" it up

are you serious? Playing duckball was boring, and frustrating, we never made it anywhere, except the 3 drives per game where hill decided to man up.

Funny thing is that "duckball" worked for this team. When he was playing well he was limiting the turnovers and provided enough play to win or get us in a position to win.
I thought Alex played well overall.

Still completely inexcusable what he did in the 4th quarter. Hopefully he can make amends thursday.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.

I was happy with noodle arm and the conservative play calling...it atleast gave us a chance to win. we aren't talented enough to "open" it up

are you serious? Playing duckball was boring, and frustrating, we never made it anywhere, except the 3 drives per game where hill decided to man up.

Funny thing is that "duckball" worked for this team. When he was playing well he was limiting the turnovers and provided enough play to win or get us in a position to win.
Duckballs effectiveness got worse and worse each week, teams saw the blueprint to beat us, applied it.. and we werent getting yards or points, and it was starting to expose our defense more and more.

Don't forget that conservative bs.. lost the game for us against the vikings, and kept it closer than it should have been against the cards..
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Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
play calling was good, execution was poor. All around on the offense, the excecution was poor, from smith, to snyder, to morgan.

The only guys who did well were VD, Gore, Crabs to a certain extent, and hill.

Do give props to Simms as well.

I was happy with noodle arm and the conservative play calling...it atleast gave us a chance to win. we aren't talented enough to "open" it up

are you serious? Playing duckball was boring, and frustrating, we never made it anywhere, except the 3 drives per game where hill decided to man up.

Funny thing is that "duckball" worked for this team. When he was playing well he was limiting the turnovers and provided enough play to win or get us in a position to win.
Duckballs effectiveness got worse and worse each week, teams saw the blueprint to beat us, applied it.. and we werent getting yards or points, and it was starting to expose our defense more and more.

Don't forget that conservative bs.. lost the game for us against the vikings, and kept it closer than it should have been against the cards..

Duckball had us at 3-1 with a lucky pass away from 4-0. We lost 1 game bad against a good team coming off a bye week and we gave up on the whole plan. Didn't even let Hill Finish the Houston game. Duckball would have won the game today...guaranteed...no way hill and duckball would have lost to the 1-5 Titans.
One playcall that had me shocked was a running play to Michael Robinson on first and goal. I mean seriously, that is a ridiculous playcall in the redzone with the game hanging on the line.

[ Edited by Hopper on Nov 9, 2009 at 01:31:11 ]
Originally posted by Hopper:
One playcall that had me shocked was a running play to Michael Robinson on first and goal. I mean seriously, that is a ridiculous playcall in the redzone with the game hanging on the line.

Very reminiscent to the Zona meltdown of 08'!