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Is Alex REALLY a bust?? Read Ponder Vote...

Is Alex REALLY a bust?? Read Ponder Vote...

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Man...There are always stats out there that make a guy look good or look bad. What you have to ask youself is..Is Alex the right QB for this team now, or next season. Does he have the hearts of the coaches and the wideouts. Can he ever win a game for us this season or next when we need him to...And the answer is a big NO!!!!

He is a Coach and drive killer, and is one pass away from getting someones
season ended. There is no way to cut it. He sucks for us. And who cares if he
leaves and becomes a good QB for some other team. He is just not our Guy no matter how you look at the numbers.
Originally posted by dbdublin:
I give up. I can only name two of them. Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young. Somebody will come up with it.

You know what's amazing? Joe Namath finished his career with 173 TD's and 220 Int's. Oh, I forgot, he played in New York.

I found it. It's Jim Plunkett.

Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, and Jim Plunkett.

Well you aren't the first to get it, but Im gonna end this early I guess. I'm tired of mailing people requesting they pull down the answers.

Indeed these are the guys.

What's REALLY funny is I'm not advocating wait until Alex becomes one of them.

What's ironic is that it took both Bradshaw AND Plunkett over 5 or more years to get it right.

Steve was lucky in that he was traded to us and we had a solid system that he could grow into without having to get his skull bashed in trying to learn.

What REALLY has me miffed about this is that Steve went to Atlanta to help Vick become a better QB, but he lives in the Bay Area and doesn't even offer assistance where Alex is concerned. Okay I'm disappointed in both people Steve for not offering Alex for not asking.

I think what would really help Alex is learning Coach Walsh's step cadence. He should be reading his reads from the very first step in dropping back. This is the kind of thing that our QB coach is NOT teaching Alex. The kind of thing that Steve CAN teach.

I think that Alex should have this and next year to either show it and stay or not and leave. No more chances after that.

~Ceadder
Alex's numbers look a lot like Drew Brees' numbers through 3 seasons. I don't think he's a bust (yet) either. He's gotta get at least the rest of this year to get it together and show who is is / can be. Although if the next 8 games are really REALLY bad for him that's it.

P.S. I don't think he played that bad on Sunday. 2 of the 3 picks could just as easily been incomplete and were great plays by the DB's or they may have even gone for completions. The 2nd pick was pretty bad but every NFL QB does that at least a few times in a season.
Originally posted by 49Wild:
Man...There are always stats out there that make a guy look good or look bad. What you have to ask youself is..Is Alex the right QB for this team now, or next season. Does he have the hearts of the coaches and the wideouts. Can he ever win a game for us this season or next when we need him to...And the answer is a big NO!!!!

He is a Coach and drive killer, and is one pass away from getting someones
season ended. There is no way to cut it. He sucks for us. And who cares if he
leaves and becomes a good QB for some other team. He is just not our Guy no matter how you look at the numbers.

Seems to me that he's sustained drives a HELLUVA lot longer than anything that Hill did.

Coach killer? Ummmmmm JTO was the QB when Nolan was fired. Hill was the QB the half season before. Alex is no more a Coach killer than you are a millionaire.

Too bad IQ is not a requirement in being a fan.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Alex's numbers look a lot like Drew Brees' numbers through 3 seasons. I don't think he's a bust (yet) either. He's gotta get at least the rest of this year to get it together and show who is is / can be. Although if the next 8 games are really REALLY bad for him that's it.

P.S. I don't think he played that bad on Sunday. 2 of the 3 picks could just as easily been incomplete and were great plays by the DB's or they may have even gone for completions. The 2nd pick was pretty bad but every NFL QB does that at least a few times in a season.

That last pick was an uncalled PI that Sing should have been hopping mad about. I could not believe that he let that go. Even Gannon was puzzled by it right up to when they kicked the extra point.

So honestly even one of those picks was avoidable given the circumstances around them.

At least Alex did not quit on the team. And that's something he started to do when he was playing injured.

~Ceadder
Of course he is. I guess the majority of 9er fans are delusional.
Another point that has been made, that I agree with is that 2 of Alex 3 INT's were just crap-lucky bounces...that first one for sure ! 99 outta 100 times, that pass gets deflected and goes out of bounds. No harm, no foul. Now on the 2nd INT, that was Alex's fault. He stared down Morgan the whole way. You know what, a lot of QB's make the same mistake. Even the best ones from time to time. The 3rd INT was in my opinion, PI, and wasn't called, but again, just a lucky bounce to Finnegan. I think Alex showed poise in not throwing in the towel, and leading us down field for a TD. Also, the fumble by Smith, was a totally blown assignment by Snyder. I think this team will win the next few games, and shut up a lot of people around here who are just waiting for Smith to make a mistake or two, and then unload on him. Look at it this way, he's got the tools to succeed, he's only 25 yrs old, and just needs a better O-line and same personnel around him for more that 1 season. We will be find with Smith. After all, who is out there as FA next season ?? Check that out and get back to me.
Originally posted by tohara3:
I would like to see how Alex finishes the season out.

yeah, me too! I want to see how alex finnishes the season out if he is still improve or not then draft 2010 drafts QB?!?

[ Edited by BuZzB28 on Nov 9, 2009 at 19:17:57 ]
for the first over all pick yes he is a bust....
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Ceaddar -- please get off the stats wagon.

The only stats that matter are wins and losses.

Alex Smith SUCKS.

3 ints and 1 lost fumble! He's a great QB! Especially cause that was against a 2something ranked passing defense! Can we all come back to Earth and get Shaun Hill back in there PLEASE!?!?!?!??!
Originally posted by jones49:
Of course he is. I guess the majority of 9er fans are delusional.

Either that or you are. Regardless we are fools arguing on the internet!
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Ceaddar -- please get off the stats wagon.

The only stats that matter are wins and losses.

Alex Smith SUCKS.

3 ints and 1 lost fumble! He's a great QB! Especially cause that was against a 2something ranked passing defense! Can we all come back to Earth and get Shaun Hill back in there PLEASE!?!?!?!??!



I love it. People BEG to get back to mediocrity when there are turnovers.

We lost by SEVEN freakin points not 70.

Wow.That just proves how unrealistic 9er fans have become over the years.

Oh yeah, had Shaun been the QB? We would have lost by 21 points not 7. Just to clarify the difference in QBs'. Alex was doing pretty well distributing the ball. Shaun holds it forever and only knows 2 targets. One of which was dropping the ball all freakin day.

~Ceadder

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Nov 9, 2009 at 20:51:59 ]
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Ceaddar -- please get off the stats wagon.

The only stats that matter are wins and losses.

Alex Smith SUCKS.

3 ints and 1 lost fumble! He's a great QB! Especially cause that was against a 2something ranked passing defense! Can we all come back to Earth and get Shaun Hill back in there PLEASE!?!?!?!??!


None of us like int's but do you really want a QB who cannot get first downs,throw for 2td's or less a game and has a lower QB rating?

"PLEASE!?!?!?!??!"


Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Ceaddar -- please get off the stats wagon.

The only stats that matter are wins and losses.

Alex Smith SUCKS.

3 ints and 1 lost fumble! He's a great QB! Especially cause that was against a 2something ranked passing defense! Can we all come back to Earth and get Shaun Hill back in there PLEASE!?!?!?!??!



I love it. People BEG to get back to mediocrity when there are turnovers.

We lost by SEVEN freakin points not 70.

Wow.That just proves how unrealistic 9er fans have become over the years.

Oh yeah, had Shaun been the QB? We would have lost by 21 points not 7. Just to clarify the difference in QBs'. Alex was doing pretty well distributing the ball. Shaun holds it forever and only knows 2 targets. One of which was dropping the ball all freakin day.

~Ceadder

If Hill played Crabs wouldn't exist
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by dbdublin:
I give up. I can only name two of them. Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young. Somebody will come up with it.

You know what's amazing? Joe Namath finished his career with 173 TD's and 220 Int's. Oh, I forgot, he played in New York.

I found it. It's Jim Plunkett.

Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, and Jim Plunkett.

Well you aren't the first to get it, but Im gonna end this early I guess. I'm tired of mailing people requesting they pull down the answers.

Indeed these are the guys.

What's REALLY funny is I'm not advocating wait until Alex becomes one of them.

What's ironic is that it took both Bradshaw AND Plunkett over 5 or more years to get it right.

Steve was lucky in that he was traded to us and we had a solid system that he could grow into without having to get his skull bashed in trying to learn.

What REALLY has me miffed about this is that Steve went to Atlanta to help Vick become a better QB, but he lives in the Bay Area and doesn't even offer assistance where Alex is concerned. Okay I'm disappointed in both people Steve for not offering Alex for not asking.

I think what would really help Alex is learning Coach Walsh's step cadence. He should be reading his reads from the very first step in dropping back. This is the kind of thing that our QB coach is NOT teaching Alex. The kind of thing that Steve CAN teach.

I think that Alex should have this and next year to either show it and stay or not and leave. No more chances after that.

~Ceadder

This and next year to show us something? Come on, if he aint got it by the end of this season, we need to move on. He should be done "learning" by now, and showing us why we drafted him over Rodgers. I want him to succeed in a big way, but all this learning he needs, says he is just not a natural quarterback(possible bust). He has 8 more games.

[ Edited by TheCatch on Nov 9, 2009 at 22:17:53 ]